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Post by walktheline on Aug 5, 2016 10:09:49 GMT
THIS is what he's been doing?!?!?!? I like Obama 10x more now than when he took office. In the beginning, he had the zeal of a convert and the smugness, of well, a liberal. Now he's still got a great presence in speeches but he's been brought down to Earth. Well, there's one good thing about this thread...nobody has to wait until the new season to bash Henry Bowers. I thought this was cool(er) That is cool, bhab. He's done a bunch of this and I think it's awesome. I like Obama the dude, but not so thrilled with his presidency. He certainly has learned a lot from his first 4 years of arrogance. I wish he'd come down to earth sooner because he could have gotten more done before lame duck status creeped up on him. He seems to have settled on doing whatever he can to improve his legacy during his last 2 years in office. But out of recent presidents and presidential candidates he and GW are the two I'd enjoy hanging out with the most. I might want to hang with bill and hillz but just out of morbid curiosity to witness sociopathic weasels up close. I'd leave my wallet and daughters at home, though. Ha!
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Post by Fletcher on Aug 5, 2016 13:23:12 GMT
The bureaucracy now is not connected to political parities. It has grown to such proportions that the two parties cannot deal with it's size. Congress cannot control the 4th branch of government. To wit: More than half the US population receives money from the government. Who dispenses the money is the bureaucracy? Recent monthly figures indicate private sector jobs are on the rise while public sector jobs by percentage are decreasing. This trend needs to continue for decades. Meanwhile the national debt now exceeds the annual GDP. This has never happened. The country with vast natural resources cannot simply spend money. Both parties are guilty of the coverup. An interesting article about the clout of the bureaucracy in the Globe yesterday: www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/10/18/vote-all-you-want-the-secret-government-won-change/jVSkXrENQlu8vNcBfMn9sL/story.html?s_campaign=bdc_globetrending&s_campaign=bdc_globetrending
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 14:01:24 GMT
Canadians shouldn't be able to vote ,judging by the idiot that Canada voted for,I would take Trump over him in a heartbeat.Hell would even take crooked Hilary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 14:21:56 GMT
I thought this was cool(er) That is cool, bhab. He's done a bunch of this and I think it's awesome. I like Obama the dude, but not so thrilled with his presidency. He certainly has learned a lot from his first 4 years of arrogance. I wish he'd come down to earth sooner because he could have gotten more done before lame duck status creeped up on him. He seems to have settled on doing whatever he can to improve his legacy during his last 2 years in office. But out of recent presidents and presidential candidates he and GW are the two I'd enjoy hanging out with the most. I might want to hang with bill and hillz but just out of morbid curiosity to witness sociopathic weasels up close. I'd leave my wallet and daughters at home, though. Ha! Hahahaha
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Post by badhabitude on Aug 5, 2016 14:32:37 GMT
It's so dumb. Each of these candidates is one Howard Dean howl from a dead campaign. Despite what the Dems are declaring as fact, there is still a lot of time left before anything is decided. All partisanship aside. The current voters for either candidate will not change their votes in virtually any circumstance. HB said that Trump would have to commit a violent felony to lose his vote which is pretty typical of Trump supporters. And Trump has made possibly hundreds of incorrect or politically incorrect remarks that pale in comparison to a Howard Dean howl that would have sunk probably every other candidate. Hillary voters will keep their votes because they would rather see anyone rather than Trump. The current fact is that the Donald is taking a beating. What you do have right is that there is a lot of time before the election and as always it will be the uncommitted voters that will decide the election, any candidate must court them in order to win. Currently Trump is not making an effort to court them. He could change that strategy, but the point is that he must in order to win. So far everything we've seen says that he will not make that effort and from the statements he's made and from his actions it appears that he believes he can carry it with only his own followers. I don't know why he won't do it, quite clearly his base is rock solid. He no longer needs to pander to them. He just needs to pander to the middle and I think he gets an epic shift in his direction. And this is shitty because I'm not a professional at this, but it would look something like this. He doesn't have to take back anything he's already said or apologize for anything. No ad lib from here on out. Pick 3 or 4 policy issues and only focus on those, don't try to address everything like he did in his acceptance speech. Make everyone think Reagan and actually use some Reagan tactics. Stop into a bar in South Boston and have a beer. Hillary can't do that, Trump can.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 14:49:52 GMT
It's so dumb. Each of these candidates is one Howard Dean howl from a dead campaign. Despite what the Dems are declaring as fact, there is still a lot of time left before anything is decided. All partisanship aside. The current voters for either candidate will not change their votes in virtually any circumstance. HB said that Trump would have to commit a violent felony to lose his vote which is pretty typical of Trump supporters. And Trump has made possibly hundreds of incorrect or politically incorrect remarks that pale in comparison to a Howard Dean howl that would have sunk probably every other candidate. Hillary voters will keep their votes because they would rather see anyone rather than Trump. The current fact is that the Donald is taking a beating. What you do have right is that there is a lot of time before the election and as always it will be the uncommitted voters that will decide the election, any candidate must court them in order to win. Currently Trump is not making an effort to court them. He could change that strategy, but the point is that he must in order to win. So far everything we've seen says that he will not make that effort and from the statements he's made and from his actions it appears that he believes he can carry it with only his own followers. I don't know why he won't do it, quite clearly his base is rock solid. He no longer needs to pander to them. He just needs to pander to the middle and I think he gets an epic shift in his direction. And this is shitty because I'm not a professional at this, but it would look something like this. He doesn't have to take back anything he's already said or apologize for anything. No ad lib from here on out. Pick 3 or 4 policy issues and only focus on those, don't try to address everything like he did in his acceptance speech. Make everyone think Reagan and actually use some Reagan tactics. Stop into a bar in South Boston and have a beer. Hillary can't do that, Trump can. How is this true? The guy sells out a rally of 10k plus while Hillary can't draw flies. Fifty people in a high school gym. Reagan was thirty years ago, Republicans need to shift in a new direction more than the Habs with Guy Lafleur and Jean Beauliveau.
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Post by NAS on Aug 5, 2016 14:55:51 GMT
It's so dumb. Each of these candidates is one Howard Dean howl from a dead campaign. Despite what the Dems are declaring as fact, there is still a lot of time left before anything is decided. I thought you were going out of town. Get gone already will you. I have this really cool device. Not only can I talk to friends and family with it, but I can also access the Internet on it. And it's portable!
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Post by badhabitude on Aug 5, 2016 14:57:40 GMT
All partisanship aside. The current voters for either candidate will not change their votes in virtually any circumstance. HB said that Trump would have to commit a violent felony to lose his vote which is pretty typical of Trump supporters. And Trump has made possibly hundreds of incorrect or politically incorrect remarks that pale in comparison to a Howard Dean howl that would have sunk probably every other candidate. Hillary voters will keep their votes because they would rather see anyone rather than Trump. The current fact is that the Donald is taking a beating. What you do have right is that there is a lot of time before the election and as always it will be the uncommitted voters that will decide the election, any candidate must court them in order to win. Currently Trump is not making an effort to court them. He could change that strategy, but the point is that he must in order to win. So far everything we've seen says that he will not make that effort and from the statements he's made and from his actions it appears that he believes he can carry it with only his own followers. I don't know why he won't do it, quite clearly his base is rock solid. He no longer needs to pander to them. He just needs to pander to the middle and I think he gets an epic shift in his direction. And this is shitty because I'm not a professional at this, but it would look something like this. He doesn't have to take back anything he's already said or apologize for anything. No ad lib from here on out. Pick 3 or 4 policy issues and only focus on those, don't try to address everything like he did in his acceptance speech. Make everyone think Reagan and actually use some Reagan tactics. Stop into a bar in South Boston and have a beer. Hillary can't do that, Trump can. How is this true? The guy sells out a rally of 10k plus while Hillary can't draw flies. Fifty people in a high school gym. Reagan was thirty years ago, Republicans need to shift in a new direction more than the Habs with Guy Lafleur and Jean Beauliveau. Oh fer Chrissakes what the hell do rallies have to do with the popular vote? I haven't attended a rally since the 1970's and now I vote more often and donate money significantly more than I did then. I meant Reagan in temperament, not policy. What shift do you believe the Republicans need to make? I thought you said earlier that they needed to drop the social issues, gay marriage and abortion, or was that someone else?
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Post by badhabitude on Aug 5, 2016 14:58:45 GMT
I thought you were going out of town. Get gone already will you. I have this really cool device. Not only can I talk to friends and family with it, but I can also access the Internet on it. And it's portable! Damn technology is ruining my life, that's fer sure.
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Post by kelvana33 on Aug 5, 2016 15:47:48 GMT
Don't talk politics much, but this race is really shows how sad and pathetic things are. These are the best 2 candidates America has to offer? So unpresidential. It's cheapened the title. I'm voting for Trump, while I think he's a bit eccentric, if he does half the things he says he will I'll see it as an improvement. Cant do 8 more years of this bullshit. Hillary was bought and sold a long time ago.
My health insurance has gone up to 1100 a month. Meanwhile we're giving free rent, EBT cards to buy junk food and cigarettes, free phones etc..System is so broken it's fucking disgusting and that douchebag is pert of the problem, not the cure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 16:00:41 GMT
How is this true? The guy sells out a rally of 10k plus while Hillary can't draw flies. Fifty people in a high school gym. Reagan was thirty years ago, Republicans need to shift in a new direction more than the Habs with Guy Lafleur and Jean Beauliveau. Oh fer Chrissakes what the hell do rallies have to do with the popular vote? I haven't attended a rally since the 1970's and now I vote more often and donate money significantly more than I did then. I meant Reagan in temperament, not policy. What shift do you believe the Republicans need to make? I thought you said earlier that they needed to drop the social issues, gay marriage and abortion, or was that someone else? The point I'm making is that I'm sure many of the people at these rallies aren't registered to vote and aren't counted when poll time comes. (Polls that gave Trump the lead all but one day last month). I remember in 08 laughing at the Obama coalition, and I'm certain many Dems did the same thing as Bernie, but you can't underestimate the grassroots appeal that these three candidates have had. People in America turn out when they're excited about a candidate. Nobody is excited about Hillary. Probably not even Bill who almost fell asleep during the vacant rhetoric of her DNC speech/screech. As far as Reagan's temperament? Well, it was the same bullshit when he ran. Reagan is an actor, Reagan is a war Hawk, don't get Russia mad, Reagan wants nuclear wa. Sound familiar?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 16:03:58 GMT
He's not doing his homework. Every President has strengths and weaknesses, but he's not doing the work outside of the spotlight to look competent on these issues. Which isn't hard, no contender talks at length about policy details. Supposedly he spends most of his downtime watching the coverage of himself. If he loses it's because of inexperience. He's in so many arguments at once it's really crazy, and the ones against the Khan's, Paul Ryan, and John McCain can only hurt him. The Press roasts Republicans at the spit and he keep coming back for seconds. Shouldn't he get rolling on it because Clinton's got decades of a head start on him in that department. That won't be a good look come the debates. Seems like he's wasting precious time on these side bouts instead of setting his sights solely on his opponent. He's an active participant in his own ass-whupping. He's relying too much on his personal appeal, and he seems to keep drawing from the well of what made him popular in the first place. These side bouts are idiotic. It's like he's running into the middle of a rumble with his arms doing the windmill.
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Post by schlich on Aug 5, 2016 16:22:35 GMT
Shouldn't he get rolling on it because Clinton's got decades of a head start on him in that department. That won't be a good look come the debates. Seems like he's wasting precious time on these side bouts instead of setting his sights solely on his opponent. He's an active participant in his own ass-whupping. He's relying too much on his personal appeal, and he seems to keep drawing from the well of what made him popular in the first place. These side bouts are idiotic. It's like he's running into the middle of a rumble with his arms doing the windmill.Great visual. Excellent painting. It's a retard, right? And it's one of the main reasons he should never be president.
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Post by badhabitude on Aug 5, 2016 16:56:47 GMT
He's relying too much on his personal appeal, and he seems to keep drawing from the well of what made him popular in the first place. These side bouts are idiotic. It's like he's running into the middle of a rumble with his arms doing the windmill.Great visual. Excellent painting. It's a retard, right? And it's one of the main reasons he should never be president. We'll see. He can stop this, but will he? He doesn't have to shift much to get himself out of trouble. And that's why the Democrats should be very very concerned - as I am. "Best" case scenario for a Trump presidency would be that he doesn't implement the destructive ideas he has, but the rhetoric will most likely weaken ties with our allies and cause financial panic. We'll see. Most of the time what you see is what you get and you can take Trump at face value - that he's entirely ego driven and will keep driving on the present course. But some of the time things aren't what they appear. Trump was a Democrat at one point. Conspiracy theories abound that he's a "Manchurain candidate" determined to weaken if not destroy the Republican party. Do I believe it? No. But there are people who do.
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Post by badhabitude on Aug 5, 2016 17:06:02 GMT
The bureaucracy now is not connected to political parities. It has grown to such proportions that the two parties cannot deal with it's size. Congress cannot control the 4th branch of government. To wit: More than half the US population receives money from the government. Who dispenses the money is the bureaucracy? Recent monthly figures indicate private sector jobs are on the rise while public sector jobs by percentage are decreasing. This trend needs to continue for decades. Meanwhile the national debt now exceeds the annual GDP. This has never happened. The country with vast natural resources cannot simply spend money. Both parties are guilty of the coverup. An interesting article about the clout of the bureaucracy in the Globe yesterday: www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/10/18/vote-all-you-want-the-secret-government-won-change/jVSkXrENQlu8vNcBfMn9sL/story.html?s_campaign=bdc_globetrending&s_campaign=bdc_globetrendingAn interesting article for sure, but that doesn't take away from this being the biggest election of our lifetime. I would go as far as to say one of the biggest in history, the ramifications going quite far. I see this as big as Lincoln Douglas or FDR Hoover. And granted there is a big sector of government that won't change no matter who is in the oval office, the rhetoric and temperament of the president goes a long way toward the attitude of the nation and how other nations interact with us. Khruschev thought JFK would be weak because he was relatively young and inexperienced and look what happened and how close we came to nuclear war.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 17:32:15 GMT
He's relying too much on his personal appeal, and he seems to keep drawing from the well of what made him popular in the first place. These side bouts are idiotic. It's like he's running into the middle of a rumble with his arms doing the windmill.Great visual. Excellent painting. It's a retard, right? And it's one of the main reasons he should never be president. Pick your poison. Do we want a rerun of Gerald Ford or the most corrupt candidate since Ulysses Grant.
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Post by badhabitude on Aug 5, 2016 17:51:36 GMT
Great visual. Excellent painting. It's a retard, right? And it's one of the main reasons he should never be president. Pick your poison. Do we want a rerun of Gerald Ford or the most corrupt candidate since Ulysses Grant. And that's bullshit, too. This portrayal of Hillary as corrupt is as mythological as Big Foot. There was nothing illegal about having a private email server, Colin Powell and others did that, too. If anything you would have to say that it can be argued that it was MORE secure than let's say gmail or yahoo. The server was NOT intended for classified information, but only for unclassified correspondence with staff. Some of those emails were LATER put into the classified category. As far as "releasing" all of them? What nonsense. I wouldn't release all of the correspondence I have with my coworkers, never in hell would I let that out as we discuss how to circumvent corporate policy and budget constraints, that's part of business everywhere. My director is "in" on that and there is an awareness of it all the way to the top in my company and every company I've ever been in. Certainly Trump has done nothing illegal as far as I can tell, but playing fast and loose with the law is something he is very comfortable with - hiring the Polish workers to build Trump tower is one example. If Hillary were guilty of something she would be indicted, with a majority of Republicans in Congress there's no way she could get away with it. Or rather - as is the case with every soul in America including you and me, if there were enough EVIDENCE there an indictment follows. Quote me all the anecdotal evidence you want, it doesn't mean shit, I can quote you all the anecdotal evidence that Big Foot exists and the reality is - there is no Big Foot.
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Post by badhabitude on Aug 5, 2016 17:54:09 GMT
Great visual. Excellent painting. It's a retard, right? And it's one of the main reasons he should never be president. Pick your poison. Do we want a rerun of Gerald Ford or the most corrupt candidate since Ulysses Grant. Come on. Up your game. Gerald Ford. No. Corrupt and Ulysses Grant, come on. At least Tea Pot Dome Scandal - at least. Do better than this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 18:46:13 GMT
Pick your poison. Do we want a rerun of Gerald Ford or the most corrupt candidate since Ulysses Grant. And that's bullshit, too. This portrayal of Hillary as corrupt is as mythological as Big Foot. There was nothing illegal about having a private email server, Colin Powell and others did that, too. If anything you would have to say that it can be argued that it was MORE secure than let's say gmail or yahoo. The server was NOT intended for classified information, but only for unclassified correspondence with staff. Some of those emails were LATER put into the classified category. As far as "releasing" all of them? What nonsense. I wouldn't release all of the correspondence I have with my coworkers, never in hell would I let that out as we discuss how to circumvent corporate policy and budget constraints, that's part of business everywhere. My director is "in" on that and there is an awareness of it all the way to the top in my company and every company I've ever been in. Certainly Trump has done nothing illegal as far as I can tell, but playing fast and loose with the law is something he is very comfortable with - hiring the Polish workers to build Trump tower is one example. If Hillary were guilty of something she would be indicted, with a majority of Republicans in Congress there's no way she could get away with it. Or rather - as is the case with every soul in America including you and me, if there were enough EVIDENCE there an indictment follows. Quote me all the anecdotal evidence you want, it doesn't mean shit, I can quote you all the anecdotal evidence that Big Foot exists and the reality is - there is no Big Foot. You're a moron if you don't think someone under four federal investigations with one pending from the IRS isn't corrupt.
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Post by badhabitude on Aug 5, 2016 18:48:20 GMT
And that's bullshit, too. This portrayal of Hillary as corrupt is as mythological as Big Foot. There was nothing illegal about having a private email server, Colin Powell and others did that, too. If anything you would have to say that it can be argued that it was MORE secure than let's say gmail or yahoo. The server was NOT intended for classified information, but only for unclassified correspondence with staff. Some of those emails were LATER put into the classified category. As far as "releasing" all of them? What nonsense. I wouldn't release all of the correspondence I have with my coworkers, never in hell would I let that out as we discuss how to circumvent corporate policy and budget constraints, that's part of business everywhere. My director is "in" on that and there is an awareness of it all the way to the top in my company and every company I've ever been in. Certainly Trump has done nothing illegal as far as I can tell, but playing fast and loose with the law is something he is very comfortable with - hiring the Polish workers to build Trump tower is one example. If Hillary were guilty of something she would be indicted, with a majority of Republicans in Congress there's no way she could get away with it. Or rather - as is the case with every soul in America including you and me, if there were enough EVIDENCE there an indictment follows. Quote me all the anecdotal evidence you want, it doesn't mean shit, I can quote you all the anecdotal evidence that Big Foot exists and the reality is - there is no Big Foot. You're a moron if you don't think someone under four federal investigations with one pending from the IRS isn't corrupt. Which applies to both candidates.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 18:51:03 GMT
You're a moron if you don't think someone under four federal investigations with one pending from the IRS isn't corrupt. Which applies to both candidates. I don't think you're a moron, btw. I just think you're resorting to Trump Hyperble. But if you follow politics to the extent you do and think Hillary isn't corrupt...
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Post by badhabitude on Aug 5, 2016 18:52:04 GMT
And if you don't believe that federal investigations can be politically motivated, you're also a moron.
Trump University, you're also a moron if you don't see it as being an absolute scam. To the point where its hard to feel sorry for those people since most late night get rich quick infomercials were of the same quality.
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Post by badhabitude on Aug 5, 2016 18:53:27 GMT
Which applies to both candidates. I don't think you're a moron, btw. I just think you're resorting to Trump Hyperble. But if you follow politics to the extent you do and think Hillary isn't corrupt... No, I don't. And for that matter, Trump as well. But I can see those that do because playing it fast and loose with the rules seems something he is very comfortable with.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Aug 5, 2016 18:53:57 GMT
Don't talk politics much, but this race is really shows how sad and pathetic things are. These are the best 2 candidates America has to offer? So unpresidential. It's cheapened the title. I'm voting for Trump, while I think he's a bit eccentric, if he does half the things he says he will I'll see it as an improvement. Cant do 8 more years of this bullshit. Hillary was bought and sold a long time ago. My health insurance has gone up to 1100 a month. Meanwhile we're giving free rent, EBT cards to buy junk food and cigarettes, free phones etc..System is so broken it's fucking disgusting and that douchebag is pert of the problem, not the cure. No they are not even close to the two best candidates. There in lies the problem, two-party system is the problem. The beltway is full money grabbing scum. Almost everyone made fun of Ross Perot but I didn't.
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Post by badhabitude on Aug 5, 2016 19:17:00 GMT
Don't talk politics much, but this race is really shows how sad and pathetic things are. These are the best 2 candidates America has to offer? So unpresidential. It's cheapened the title. I'm voting for Trump, while I think he's a bit eccentric, if he does half the things he says he will I'll see it as an improvement. Cant do 8 more years of this bullshit. Hillary was bought and sold a long time ago. My health insurance has gone up to 1100 a month. Meanwhile we're giving free rent, EBT cards to buy junk food and cigarettes, free phones etc..System is so broken it's fucking disgusting and that douchebag is pert of the problem, not the cure. No they are not even close to the two best candidates. There in lies the problem, two-party system is the problem. The beltway is full money grabbing scum. Almost everyone made fun of Ross Perot but I didn't. We should change to a Parliamentary government system. You vote for your locals, they in turn get to vote for president, not you. That way no gridlock in Congress. That way none of this not in my backyard, but I'll vote for a president who'll do it in your backyard. That way the local issues get addressed and taxed as need be instead of we want this program here, but we want others to spend or not spend on it stated as by their vote for president. As it stands people want it both ways - improvements to their local issues (and spend money), and for the national election (president) they want to pay less taxes (so not spend money). At least that's one way to get government to run more efficiently.
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