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Post by jmwalters on Nov 5, 2016 0:23:05 GMT
At least there shouldn't be any more bombshells before election for either candidate. They would have launched them by now, not enough time left even if someone has someone on tape or in video doing something unspeakable. The FBI "rogue" group are falling under intense scrutiny and I think they have been cowed into self preserving silence. Everything is what it is. This weekend will be soaked up with massive early voting lines and huge rallies building up to Tuesday. NV, CO, and VA are locked up by the Clinton campaign as we speak. IA, OH, NC, and FL will be close...hence why they are battleground states. AZ, TX, and GA will be eyebrow raising in the end for being closer than they have in decades. The election will be called once polls close on the east coast the way things are going. Even if it isn't...should be an interesting night.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 0:50:27 GMT
What the heck are you talking about? Trump is ahead in early voting in FL, if you believe in that sort of thing. I don't. OH is a done deal for Trump-they're way above the level they were in early/AI/N8SLVR/fake votes in 2012 and he's polled very well for months. The Senate seat up for grabs is 10 points ahead in polling for the Republican The polls is Nevada are almost always wrong. You and the DNC talking points you regurgitate might say a level of innacuarcy is "baked in." For a supposed political scientist or scientism-ist, you seem to be confusing early voting speculation, polls, and actual ballots. Ballots counted on November 8th, only. lol....yes Henry, I am a DNC operative with my mission to turn you to the darkside!!! Fake votes...rigged!!!! We are just talking past each other at this point. Let's reconvene Wednesday morning. I will talk you off a ledge and educate you on how internal polling works (full disclosure, I used to do it for a living several years back)...I get the feeling you will appreciate it more then May the best person win on Tuesday. It sounds like an interesting profession. Not saying polling is incorrect, but I hope we aren't getting to the point where Conservative viewpoints are so marginalized that people can't even be honest about voting GOP to call center lackeys. Losing won't be the worst thing to happen to the GOP, for the problems with Hillary that I listed earlier and the possibility of Trump's trade bungling causing a recession or a sticker shock. I just hope people like Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan get the message-do something with the majorities, or else.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 5, 2016 0:56:20 GMT
Only to have the Senate majority yanked back in 2018 by the RepubliKLANs. Very likely. But if the Dems can juice that number up to 53 on tuesday they have a chance to keep the senate in 2018. They are going big on establishing a huge GOTV effort for mid-term elections. We shall see By the way, early vote has Clinton with the margins she needs in the battleground states. By Nov 8 more than half the electorate will have already voted. The election will likely be called by 8pm eastern on tuesday. The Dumpster idiots think they can sweep Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. The GOP are so desperate they are purging AA votes in North Carolina.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 5, 2016 1:00:04 GMT
Wikileaks has never published a fake document...and no votes are counted until November 8th. Analytics God Nate Silver was wrong about 8 Republican primaries in a row, was wrong about the Democrats race in Michigan, and gave Trump a 5% chance of winning the nomination. The polls are less accurate with Trump becuase of the "shy Tory effect." He's in a margin of error tie with the Hag and more polls reflecting the FBI news are set to drop. So far, using analytics of the early vote the Clinton campaign has banked enough votes that it is nearly impossible for Trump to catch up on Tuesday. NV is over, Clinton has it...and clinched it on the same day a shitty pollster gave Trump a 6 point lead. This analysis can be done in all other states with early voting. CO, VA, NC and FL are the same as well. OH is still up in the air but Clinton doesnt need OH, Trump does. GA AZ, and TX are too close to call at the moment...and again, Clinton doesnt need them Trump does. This is how it works, my friend. This is what Dumpster has done, put GA AZ, and TX in play. Clinton doesn't even need Nevada anyway.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 5, 2016 1:08:25 GMT
lol....yes Henry, I am a DNC operative with my mission to turn you to the darkside!!! Fake votes...rigged!!!! We are just talking past each other at this point. Let's reconvene Wednesday morning. I will talk you off a ledge and educate you on how internal polling works (full disclosure, I used to do it for a living several years back)...I get the feeling you will appreciate it more then May the best person win on Tuesday. It sounds like an interesting profession. Not saying polling is incorrect, but I hope we aren't getting to the point where Conservative viewpoints are so marginalized that people can't even be honest about voting GOP to call center lackeys. Losing won't be the worst thing to happen to the GOP, for the problems with Hillary that I listed earlier and the possibility of Trump's trade bungling causing a recession or a sticker shock. I just hope people like Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan get the message-do something with the majorities, or else. The interesting thing is the massive disconnect between public polling (those done by public polling firms and released to the press) and private campaign internal polls. The latter is brutally expensive (we are talking tens of millions of dollars with national campaigns) and involve intensive data mining and individual vote profiles. The info is just insane in its preciseness. For instance, both campaigns have profiles of every single registered voter in NC...I shit you not. This is why they are so brutally accurate. Public polls just do not have the same resources and normally are reduced to random calls and adjusting of numbers based upon subjective methodology. Examples of the latter are many. The most recent is the new ABC daily national tracking poll which has one fatal methodological flaw....it is weighting the white vote at 75% of the electorate which is completely insane. It has not been that high since 1980 and it is projected by current demographic analysts to actually be around 68-69% this cycle. This means their numbers are off by around 6%....a huge deal. And this is just the most recent example. The quality is just not comparable. Look, at the end of the day I just want an effective government that can get at least a few things done. One where both sides can compromise and dispense with the brinkmanship bullshit. Neither side will get exactly what they want but that is the form of government that is supposed to be in place...checks, balances, and compromise.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 5, 2016 1:13:21 GMT
Very likely. But if the Dems can juice that number up to 53 on tuesday they have a chance to keep the senate in 2018. They are going big on establishing a huge GOTV effort for mid-term elections. We shall see By the way, early vote has Clinton with the margins she needs in the battleground states. By Nov 8 more than half the electorate will have already voted. The election will likely be called by 8pm eastern on tuesday. The Dumpster idiots think they can sweep Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. The GOP are so desperate they are purging AA votes in North Carolina. PA has been fools gold for Repubs since the 90's. Late in the game a bunch of polls from fly by night pollsters dump a bunch of shitty polls showing the repub being close there....the repub candidate gets excited and wastes resources in a state that they usually lose by around 5-10%. Every single time for a generation lol And no, she doesn't need NV but she has it. For a good analysis of that state check out John Ralston....the local state expert. The guy is money for Nevada politics.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 1:17:36 GMT
Very likely. But if the Dems can juice that number up to 53 on tuesday they have a chance to keep the senate in 2018. They are going big on establishing a huge GOTV effort for mid-term elections. We shall see By the way, early vote has Clinton with the margins she needs in the battleground states. By Nov 8 more than half the electorate will have already voted. The election will likely be called by 8pm eastern on tuesday. The Dumpster idiots think they can sweep Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. The GOP are so desperate they are purging AA votes in North Carolina. They won't get Pennsylvania, but as a "Dumpster Idiot," I'll list Ohio as a definite and Florida as a likely. Hillary just has no buzz whatsoever. The African American vote is going to be down (no AA running will do that) and many Latinos aren't as bullish on amnesty as you think. Legal immigration costs 10s of thousands of dollars and many, many years. I don't mean to rag on certain demographics, but look at South Florida as an example...the only Republicans that win are Cubans. Tribal voting. Having an old white woman will affect minority turnout. And then? Well, how big is the Times comment section? Who does this candidate represent? Once again, if she wins, it will be the Blue Wall.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 1:20:14 GMT
It sounds like an interesting profession. Not saying polling is incorrect, but I hope we aren't getting to the point where Conservative viewpoints are so marginalized that people can't even be honest about voting GOP to call center lackeys. Losing won't be the worst thing to happen to the GOP, for the problems with Hillary that I listed earlier and the possibility of Trump's trade bungling causing a recession or a sticker shock. I just hope people like Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan get the message-do something with the majorities, or else. The interesting thing is the massive disconnect between public polling (those done by public polling firms and released to the press) and private campaign internal polls. The latter is brutally expensive (we are talking tens of millions of dollars with national campaigns) and involve intensive data mining and individual vote profiles. The info is just insane in its preciseness. For instance, both campaigns have profiles of every single registered voter in NC...I shit you not. This is why they are so brutally accurate. Public polls just do not have the same resources and normally are reduced to random calls and adjusting of numbers based upon subjective methodology. Examples of the latter are many. The most recent is the new ABC daily national tracking poll which has one fatal methodological flaw....it is weighting the white vote at 75% of the electorate which is completely insane. It has not been that high since 1980 and it is projected by current demographic analysts to actually be around 68-69% this cycle. This means their numbers are off by around 6%....a huge deal. And this is just the most recent example. The quality is just not comparable. Look, at the end of the day I just want an effective government that can get at least a few things done. One where both sides can compromise and dispense with the brinkmanship bullshit. Neither side will get exactly what they want but that is the form of government that is supposed to be in place...checks, balances, and compromise. I started reading about that...supposedly the LA Times poll is bullish on Trump because they count one black guy 300 times and he happens to answer the phone every time they do the survey. Odd methodology for sure.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 5, 2016 1:37:09 GMT
The interesting thing is the massive disconnect between public polling (those done by public polling firms and released to the press) and private campaign internal polls. The latter is brutally expensive (we are talking tens of millions of dollars with national campaigns) and involve intensive data mining and individual vote profiles. The info is just insane in its preciseness. For instance, both campaigns have profiles of every single registered voter in NC...I shit you not. This is why they are so brutally accurate. Public polls just do not have the same resources and normally are reduced to random calls and adjusting of numbers based upon subjective methodology. Examples of the latter are many. The most recent is the new ABC daily national tracking poll which has one fatal methodological flaw....it is weighting the white vote at 75% of the electorate which is completely insane. It has not been that high since 1980 and it is projected by current demographic analysts to actually be around 68-69% this cycle. This means their numbers are off by around 6%....a huge deal. And this is just the most recent example. The quality is just not comparable. Look, at the end of the day I just want an effective government that can get at least a few things done. One where both sides can compromise and dispense with the brinkmanship bullshit. Neither side will get exactly what they want but that is the form of government that is supposed to be in place...checks, balances, and compromise. I started reading about that...supposedly the LA Times poll is bullish on Trump because they count one black guy 300 times and he happens to answer the phone every time they do the survey. Odd methodology for sure. Yep, another classic example there. It was funny because at one point he changed his mind on who he was supporting and the whole poll shifted dramatically lol,,,just ridiculous. Another thing to watch out for is a whole pile of brand new polling companies suddenly flooding the media with polls late in the campaign...as what has been happening the last two days. They usually are no more than PR firms attempting to shift the aggregators (aka Silver and the others) a certain direction to create the perception of momentum for a candidate. Want to know the motives of these so called polling firms. that are essentially fly by night outfits....look up the firm itself and it usually is very telling. OH is truly a tossup at this point but we will know more by the end of the weekend when early voting is essentially over. FL will likely go for Clinton. The margins for early voting is only 0.6% off from 2012 (when Obama won) with affiliated voters but there has been a 152% rise in unaffiliated voters...the vast majority youth voters and Latino first timers and the Latino vote is going for Clinton by 56 points according to polls conducted with that demo. Based on this I think Clinton squeaks one out there by maybe 1-2% in the end
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 1:45:58 GMT
I started reading about that...supposedly the LA Times poll is bullish on Trump because they count one black guy 300 times and he happens to answer the phone every time they do the survey. Odd methodology for sure. Yep, another classic example there. It was funny because at one point he changed his mind on who he was supporting and the whole poll shifted dramatically lol,,,just ridiculous. Another thing to watch out for is a whole pile of brand new polling companies suddenly flooding the media with polls late in the campaign...as what has been happening the last two days. They usually are no more than PR firms attempting to shift the aggregators (aka Silver and the others) a certain direction to create the perception of momentum for a candidate. Want to know the motives of these so called polling firms. that are essentially fly by night outfits....look up the firm itself and it usually is very telling. OH is truly a tossup at this point but we will know more by the end of the weekend when early voting is essentially over. FL will likely go for Clinton. The margins for early voting is only 0.6% off from 2012 (when Obama won) with affiliated voters but there has been a 152% rise in unaffiliated voters...the vast majority youth voters and Latino first timers and the Latino vote is going for Clinton by 56 points according to polls conducted with that demo. Based on this I think Clinton squeaks one out there by maybe 1-2% in the end I think Trump has to have the lion share of new voters, right? He did get more votes in the primary than any other candidate in history. I just don't see it in FL. I think the Latino vote in the I-4 corridor is going to stay home. My overarching opinion with the demographic hype is that the Democrats had a once in a generation politician in Obama that created a lot of enthusiasm for all demographics. I don't think Trump is going to win, but when he does much better than Romney, the narrative will be about all these supposed new groups in the GOP that won't turn out for the next fool in line for 2020. Or it will be a Rubio win, and then for sure the experts will act as if 70% of the US population being white is irrelevant.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 5, 2016 1:56:54 GMT
The Dumpster idiots think they can sweep Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. The GOP are so desperate they are purging AA votes in North Carolina. They won't get Pennsylvania, but as a "Dumpster Idiot," I'll list Ohio as a definite and Florida as a likely. Hillary just has no buzz whatsoever. The African American vote is going to be down (no AA running will do that) and many Latinos aren't as bullish on amnesty as you think. Legal immigration costs 10s of thousands of dollars and many, many years. I don't mean to rag on certain demographics, but look at South Florida as an example...the only Republicans that win are Cubans. Tribal voting. Having an old white woman will affect minority turnout. And then? Well, how big is the Times comment section? Who does this candidate represent? Once again, if she wins, it will be the Blue Wall. Florida, Ohio, Iowa and North Carolina are the only real toss ups left. Add up all the GOPs attempts to stop poor minority voters from not being able to vote, have been thwarted in swings states. Tons of mail in ballots are already favoring Billary in Florida. Presidential elections are when AAs and Latino/Hispanic vote. The mid-terms are when that demographic doesn't vote. Then you throw in that the GOP will lose a firewall, white college educated voters for the first time since the 50s.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 5, 2016 2:03:52 GMT
Yep, another classic example there. It was funny because at one point he changed his mind on who he was supporting and the whole poll shifted dramatically lol,,,just ridiculous. Another thing to watch out for is a whole pile of brand new polling companies suddenly flooding the media with polls late in the campaign...as what has been happening the last two days. They usually are no more than PR firms attempting to shift the aggregators (aka Silver and the others) a certain direction to create the perception of momentum for a candidate. Want to know the motives of these so called polling firms. that are essentially fly by night outfits....look up the firm itself and it usually is very telling. OH is truly a tossup at this point but we will know more by the end of the weekend when early voting is essentially over. FL will likely go for Clinton. The margins for early voting is only 0.6% off from 2012 (when Obama won) with affiliated voters but there has been a 152% rise in unaffiliated voters...the vast majority youth voters and Latino first timers and the Latino vote is going for Clinton by 56 points according to polls conducted with that demo. Based on this I think Clinton squeaks one out there by maybe 1-2% in the end I think Trump has to have the lion share of new voters, right? He did get more votes in the primary than any other candidate in history. I just don't see it in FL. I think the Latino vote in the I-4 corridor is going to stay home. My overarching opinion with the demographic hype is that the Democrats had a once in a generation politician in Obama that created a lot of enthusiasm for all demographics. I don't think Trump is going to win, but when he does much better than Romney, the narrative will be about all these supposed new groups in the GOP that won't turn out for the next fool in line for 2020. Or it will be a Rubio win, and then for sure the experts will act as if 70% of the US population being white is irrelevant. Here is a quick hit from Steve Schale (he is the ranking analytics man for FL) so far: Steve Schale @steveschale Thru Thurs, Dems took lead in FL Dem: 2,099,906 (+2,670) GOP: 2,097,236 NPA: 1,087,063 Those 1 million+ NPA's are in large part youth and latino first timers and they have been polled to be going for Clinton in numbers bigger than they went for Obama. It will be close either way.....so we will have to see how it ultimately shakes out. Watch out when using primary voting #'s. They normally dont translate well to national campaigns for the presidency. If they did then Obama would have won texas and the rest of the south in 08....and we know damn well he lost pretty big there. Primaries include tens of millions of voters....the presidential campaign over 120 million and a very different electorate. No comparison.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 5, 2016 2:06:28 GMT
They won't get Pennsylvania, but as a "Dumpster Idiot," I'll list Ohio as a definite and Florida as a likely. Hillary just has no buzz whatsoever. The African American vote is going to be down (no AA running will do that) and many Latinos aren't as bullish on amnesty as you think. Legal immigration costs 10s of thousands of dollars and many, many years. I don't mean to rag on certain demographics, but look at South Florida as an example...the only Republicans that win are Cubans. Tribal voting. Having an old white woman will affect minority turnout. And then? Well, how big is the Times comment section? Who does this candidate represent? Once again, if she wins, it will be the Blue Wall. Florida, Ohio, Iowa and North Carolina are the only real toss ups left. True....and dont forget that 50% of the vote in NC has already cast ballots. FL will be over 70% by tuesday
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 2:19:52 GMT
Florida, Ohio, Iowa and North Carolina are the only real toss ups left. True....and dont forget that 50% of the vote in NC has already cast ballots. FL will be over 70% by tuesday [br They need to get rid of early voting. It's a tacit acknowledgement and hardening of partisanship, especially down ballot, and an endorsement of laziness. Four days out, and for me, every vote I have except POTUs and Senate (both GOP) is up for grabs. People vote early because they have the top of the ballot figured out and vote straight ticket for Senate and Congress and totally disregard the referendums and judgeships. Then there's what happened with the FBI and the Hag last week...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 2:23:07 GMT
They won't get Pennsylvania, but as a "Dumpster Idiot," I'll list Ohio as a definite and Florida as a likely. Hillary just has no buzz whatsoever. The African American vote is going to be down (no AA running will do that) and many Latinos aren't as bullish on amnesty as you think. Legal immigration costs 10s of thousands of dollars and many, many years. I don't mean to rag on certain demographics, but look at South Florida as an example...the only Republicans that win are Cubans. Tribal voting. Having an old white woman will affect minority turnout. And then? Well, how big is the Times comment section? Who does this candidate represent? Once again, if she wins, it will be the Blue Wall. Florida, Ohio, Iowa and North Carolina are the only real toss ups left. Add up all the GOPs attempts to stop poor minority voters from not being able to vote, have been thwarted in swings states. Tons of mail in ballots are already favoring Billary in Florida. Presidential elections are when AAs and Latino/Hispanic vote. The mid-terms are when that demographic doesn't vote. Then you throw in that the GOP will lose a firewall, white college educated voters for the first time since the 50s. What "poor minority voters?" I spent three hours at the DMV correcting my license address to avoid any polling place snafus. Am I poor minority all of a sudden?! What kind of bullshit is that? Should we just give the poll workers a zig zag paper with our signature on it? That's where the GOP angst is correct. Every four years, all the idiots tune in four weeks before the election and either have their heads filled with personality and identity politic bullshit or get into the "where's mine" line. The Democrats can't win elections about the issues among people that follow them closely, and we see this play out every midterm election and in the gubernatorial elections. No wonder the NEA has done away with civics...and grammar in English classes.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 5, 2016 2:27:21 GMT
[br They need to get rid of early voting. It's a tacit acknowledgement and hardening of partisanship, especially down ballot, and an endorsement of laziness. Four days out, and for me, every vote I have except POTUs and Senate (both GOP) is up for grabs. People vote early because they have the top of the ballot figured out and vote straight ticket for Senate and Congress and totally disregard the referendums and judgeships. Then there's what happened with the FBI and the Hag last week... Some states dont have it (PA is an example of a non-early voting state). But I am afraid it may be needed in certain states. Some lineups for voting on election day took almost 10 hours in FL on election day in 2012...and that was after almost 60% of eligible voters had voted early. Could you imagine the lineups if they had no early voting? Also, states like NV have irregular work schedules (Vegas is, well, Vegas) so early voting is imperative to allow many to have a real chance to vote. There is some use value here. Not to get your blood boiling but about NC early voting: www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/10/democrats-leading-big-in-nc-early-voting.html
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 2:32:37 GMT
[br They need to get rid of early voting. It's a tacit acknowledgement and hardening of partisanship, especially down ballot, and an endorsement of laziness. Four days out, and for me, every vote I have except POTUs and Senate (both GOP) is up for grabs. People vote early because they have the top of the ballot figured out and vote straight ticket for Senate and Congress and totally disregard the referendums and judgeships. Then there's what happened with the FBI and the Hag last week... Some states dont have it (PA is an example of a non-early voting state). But I am afraid it may be needed in certain states. Some lineups for voting on election day took almost 10 hours in FL on election day in 2012...and that was after almost 60% of eligible voters had voted early. Could you imagine the lineups if they had no early voting? Also, states like NV have irregular work schedules (Vegas is, well, Vegas) so early voting is imperative to allow many to have a real chance to vote. There is some use value here. Not to get your blood boiling but about NC early voting: www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/10/democrats-leading-big-in-nc-early-voting.htmlI guess that's true in many places. I vote at the clubhouse in my community here in South Florida. I can walk. I'm sure the most crowded ones are in the poorest areas. By coincidence, of course.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 5, 2016 2:39:15 GMT
Some states dont have it (PA is an example of a non-early voting state). But I am afraid it may be needed in certain states. Some lineups for voting on election day took almost 10 hours in FL on election day in 2012...and that was after almost 60% of eligible voters had voted early. Could you imagine the lineups if they had no early voting? Also, states like NV have irregular work schedules (Vegas is, well, Vegas) so early voting is imperative to allow many to have a real chance to vote. There is some use value here. Not to get your blood boiling but about NC early voting: www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/10/democrats-leading-big-in-nc-early-voting.htmlI guess that's true in many places. I vote at the clubhouse in my community here in South Florida. I can walk. I'm sure the most crowded ones are in the poorest areas. By coincidence, of course. They usually are, unfortunately. To make it truly standardized it might be best to have some streamlined national guidelines but the states would never go for it of course. Ditto for gerrymandering. All congressional district boundaries should be designed by non-partisan committees...but again, states rights.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 5, 2016 4:12:56 GMT
Meanwhile, Chris Christie, guilty, guilty, guilty.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 5, 2016 6:46:27 GMT
Florida, Ohio, Iowa and North Carolina are the only real toss ups left. Add up all the GOPs attempts to stop poor minority voters from not being able to vote, have been thwarted in swings states. Tons of mail in ballots are already favoring Billary in Florida. Presidential elections are when AAs and Latino/Hispanic vote. The mid-terms are when that demographic doesn't vote. Then you throw in that the GOP will lose a firewall, white college educated voters for the first time since the 50s. Should we just give the poll workers a zig zag paper with our signature on it? That's how people, in the US, voted in Virginia before you could get upset about weed and the media.
The Democrats can't win elections about the issues among people that follow them closely, and we see this play out every midterm election and in the gubernatorial elections. The Democrats win elections because the economy does better with Dems dominating the three branches of government. The conservatives just are not getting, that America wants progressive laws passed. The people that grow up in the sticks, just don't get what is going on. Conservatives kids and adults get left behind becuase they don't evolve.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 12:39:12 GMT
Should we just give the poll workers a zig zag paper with our signature on it? That's how people, in the US, voted in Virginia before you could get upset about weed and the media.
The Democrats can't win elections about the issues among people that follow them closely, and we see this play out every midterm election and in the gubernatorial elections. The Democrats win elections because the economy does better with Dems dominating the three branches of government. The conservatives just are not getting, that America wants progressive laws passed. The people that grow up in the sticks, just don't get what is going on. Conservatives kids and adults get left behind becuase they don't evolve. That's not true at all about the economy, but we've already discussed that in this thread ad nauseum so I'll just save the rest of the board from the boilerplate.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 5, 2016 14:21:27 GMT
So the $20k that Melania took working illegally, is that part of the economy we shouldn't discuss anymore?
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 5, 2016 14:24:43 GMT
Should we just give the poll workers a zig zag paper with our signature on it? That's how people, in the US, voted in Virginia before you could get upset about weed and the media.
The Democrats can't win elections about the issues among people that follow them closely, and we see this play out every midterm election and in the gubernatorial elections. The Democrats win elections because the economy does better with Dems dominating the three branches of government. The conservatives just are not getting, that America wants progressive laws passed. The people that grow up in the sticks, just don't get what is going on. Conservatives kids and adults get left behind becuase they don't evolve. Pretty obvious to me that the economy does better with the Democrats. I remember the last Bush's last few months in office, they knew they were going to be out of the presidency for a while so they looted all they could.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 5, 2016 15:09:03 GMT
All day long. "That's a liberal website and misleading" <----------incoming...
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 5, 2016 16:03:53 GMT
I'll say again, no matter how much Hillary wins by, America is still worse off by dropping to the depths of having this buffoon as the Republican nominee.
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