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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 12:34:18 GMT
What he forgot to mention, is when you take the hillbilly vote out of Texas and Florida, Drumpf only gets X amount of votes. Plus you forgot to put your redneck translator on. Never underestimate the stupidity of someone who grew up in or now lives in the sticks. I disagree, this was middle class America tired of working hard and getting bent over the rails. Sick of seeing people coming to this country and abusing the system. Working our tails off to provide for our families while the section 8 people get free/discounted housing, have big TV's and their $35,000 cars parked outside of their affordable housing complexes.
We have spoken.
Dems are in a bind now. They fell hook line and sinker for the demographic hype and white working people are leaving the party in droves. They're stuck with an electorate that only turns en masse for minorities (HB call of the year) and has very little money.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 10, 2016 13:55:15 GMT
What he forgot to mention, is when you take the hillbilly vote out of Texas and Florida, Drumpf only gets X amount of votes. Plus you forgot to put your redneck translator on. Never underestimate the stupidity of someone who grew up in or now lives in the sticks. I disagree, this was middle class America tired of working hard and getting bent over the rails. Sick of seeing people coming to this country and abusing the system. Working our tails off to provide for our families while the section 8 people get free/discounted housing, have big TV's and their $35,000 cars parked outside of their affordable housing complexes.
We have spoken.
Thank you for this post, I believe you have summed it up perfectly. I appreciate someone who thinks for themselves rather than constantly spouting party line blather like a member of the Nazi or Communist party. Now the question is - can President Trump deliver?
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 10, 2016 13:59:45 GMT
What is old is new again. Reagan's "pseudo intellectuals" have returned as IYT.
Invent a label and paste it everywhere that suits you and the point you want to make. Utter bullshit.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 10, 2016 14:08:50 GMT
What he forgot to mention, is when you take the hillbilly vote out of Texas and Florida, Drumpf only gets X amount of votes. Plus you forgot to put your redneck translator on. Never underestimate the stupidity of someone who grew up in or now lives in the sticks. I disagree, this was middle class America tired of working hard and getting bent over the rails. Sick of seeing people coming to this country and abusing the system. Working our tails off to provide for our families while the section 8 people get free/discounted housing, have big TV's and their $35,000 cars parked outside of their affordable housing complexes.
We have spoken.
The same people that made the white middle class angry, the ones that are about to take over, are the ones that sent all the manufacturing jobs over sees. The people that you have issue with Kelv, did not send jobs, that used to be in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Ohio to Mexico. I agree with you about the abuse of the system but it works both ways. Take a look at what Trump says he is going to get passed into law in the first 100 days and then tell me which ones will actually make it into law. The same angry people that just got done screaming are about to have Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security gutted and been thrown of their health care becuase pre-existing conditions. Tax breaks for the rich though, that will be first. As Trump said on video, republican voters are the easiest to lie too.
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Post by Fletcher on Nov 10, 2016 14:10:34 GMT
I disagree, this was middle class America tired of working hard and getting bent over the rails. Sick of seeing people coming to this country and abusing the system. Working our tails off to provide for our families while the section 8 people get free/discounted housing, have big TV's and their $35,000 cars parked outside of their affordable housing complexes.
We have spoken.
Dems are in a bind now. They fell hook line and sinker for the demographic hype and white working people are leaving the party in droves. They're stuck with an electorate that only turns en masse for minorities (HB call of the year) and has very little money. I agree, and I kind of like it since I dislike the party establishment so much. I think the next Democratic candidate would be wise to trim back the victim identity groups in a major way and coddle up to the people that the Democratic party should be supporting -- the middle and lower working classes (not the upper/lower entitlement class). Law enforcement, nurses, teachers, union laborers, government employees, and yes, even the military. Heck, Hillary still won the popular vote, so they wouldn't have that far to go. But when all of the energy of the campaign goes to supporting the victim classes, I think hard-working Americans will turn a blind eye to whatever Trump does and says about chicks, if they think he's more in their corner. I think a Trump presidency won't hurt them in the next election either. Sooner or later, I think it will become apparent that this guy can't make good on the golden unicorn promises of his campaign and turns out to not be such a gifted mind in foreign policy, trade, and the economy.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 10, 2016 14:37:38 GMT
What is old is new again. Reagan's "pseudo intellectuals" have returned as IYT. Invent a label and paste it everywhere that suits you and the point you want to make. Utter bullshit. I've been thinking about this. I've decided to make my own acronym. The "Habs Believers" or just HBs for short. They might be intelligent, but they have extremely poor judgement self evident by their rooting for the Montreal Canadiens at any point in their life. This is just obvious, anyone who ever liked the Habs must have extremely poor judgement, they might be educated, they might read books, but they are just fundamentally misguided. Also, they all have something in common, they've never been in a fist fight in their adult life. Or maybe one or 2 of them have. But no matter, anytime you see an HB, they are wrong on any point you would choose to disagree with them about, simply because they are HBs. Instant end of any discussion, intellectual or otherwise. You just say "perfect example of an HB!" Done. And done.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 10, 2016 14:46:52 GMT
Dems are in a bind now. They fell hook line and sinker for the demographic hype and white working people are leaving the party in droves. They're stuck with an electorate that only turns en masse for minorities (HB call of the year) and has very little money. Heck, Hillary still won the popular vote, so they wouldn't have that far to go. But when all of the energy of the campaign goes to supporting the victim classes, I think hard-working Americans will turn a blind eye to whatever Trump does and says about chicks, if they think he's more in their corner. "Rough numbers: 115m of 230m eligible voters stayed home. Banquet hall of democracy, half the tables empty." And the Latino vote ticked up to 30%. There are other ways to protest, not showing up is a dumb one.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 10, 2016 14:49:48 GMT
What he forgot to mention, is when you take the hillbilly vote out of Texas and Florida, Drumpf only gets X amount of votes. Plus you forgot to put your redneck translator on. Never underestimate the stupidity of someone who grew up in or now lives in the sticks. I disagree, this was middle class America tired of working hard and getting bent over the rails. Sick of seeing people coming to this country and abusing the system. Working our tails off to provide for our families while the section 8 people get free/discounted housing, have big TV's and their $35,000 cars parked outside of their affordable housing complexes.
We have spoken.
Ok, so name 5 policy initiatives Trump has offered that will increase the wealth of the middle-class. I shall await diligently....
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 10, 2016 14:51:32 GMT
Heck, Hillary still won the popular vote, so they wouldn't have that far to go. But when all of the energy of the campaign goes to supporting the victim classes, I think hard-working Americans will turn a blind eye to whatever Trump does and says about chicks, if they think he's more in their corner. "Rough numbers: 115m of 230m eligible voters stayed home. Banquet hall of democracy, half the tables empty." And the Latino vote ticked up to 30%. There are other ways to protest, not showing up is a dumb one. True. Clinton will have gotten something like 5 million less votes than Obama did in 2012. The thing is, those 5 million didnt vote for trump (he received Romney levels), they just didnt vote at all....
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Post by stan17 on Nov 10, 2016 14:51:35 GMT
Here's the problem for the Dems. Their candidate just lost to a guy who's a non-politician, got very little help from his own party, got pummeled everyday by 5 of the 6 major news networks and got caught saying guy locker-room shit on camera. What does it say about your candidate when they lose going against that guy. It says the Dems candidate was incredibly flawed. They could've very easily chose a guy like Senator Warner from VA who has all the bells & whistles, Harvard Law, self made millionaire business man, Governor and no shit ball scandals, he's just one example that would've resonated FAR better. But alas they chose a very flawed person, so American citizens rejected her.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 10, 2016 14:59:12 GMT
Here's the problem for the Dems. Their candidate just lost to a guy who's a non-politician, got very little help from his own party, got pummeled everyday by 5 of the 6 major news networks and got caught saying guy locker-room shit on camera. What does it say about your candidate when they lose going against that guy. It says the Dems candidate was incredibly flawed. They could've very easily chose a guy like Senator Warner from VA who has all the bells & whistles, Harvard Law, self made millionaire business man, Governor and no shit ball scandals, he's just one example that would've resonated FAR better. But alas they chose a very flawed person, so American citizens rejected her. Yep, the next step is a clean slate with a fresh new cast...much like Obama was in 2007-08. Warner is an interesting idea. Corey Booker is another. There are more than a few out there.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 10, 2016 15:08:58 GMT
Here's the problem for the Dems. Their candidate just lost to a guy who's a non-politician, got very little help from his own party, got pummeled everyday by 5 of the 6 major news networks and got caught saying guy locker-room shit on camera. What does it say about your candidate when they lose going against that guy. It says the Dems candidate was incredibly flawed. They could've very easily chose a guy like Senator Warner from VA who has all the bells & whistles, Harvard Law, self made millionaire business man, Governor and no shit ball scandals, he's just one example that would've resonated FAR better. But alas they chose a very flawed person, so American citizens rejected her. What we all knew, from the beginning, she is and was terrible. And I think NAFTA was more Hillary's undoing than anything else.
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Post by stan17 on Nov 10, 2016 15:19:42 GMT
Here's the problem for the Dems. Their candidate just lost to a guy who's a non-politician, got very little help from his own party, got pummeled everyday by 5 of the 6 major news networks and got caught saying guy locker-room shit on camera. What does it say about your candidate when they lose going against that guy. It says the Dems candidate was incredibly flawed. They could've very easily chose a guy like Senator Warner from VA who has all the bells & whistles, Harvard Law, self made millionaire business man, Governor and no shit ball scandals, he's just one example that would've resonated FAR better. But alas they chose a very flawed person, so American citizens rejected her. Yep, the next step is a clean slate with a fresh new cast...much like Obama was in 2007-08. Warner is an interesting idea. Corey Booker is another. There are more than a few out there. The Dems actually asked him to run as VP in 08, he turned it down to be with his family.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 10, 2016 15:19:49 GMT
There is a part of me that is glad about this. I won't have to watch a witch hunt happen. I'm not in any of the target groups, and what he does to planet long term won't bother me. What happens with the economy will affect everyone, so at least I'll have company. The extreme right wing has been working hard for years to get their guy in the white house and as president. Hopefully the left will organize, but that will be difficult as organizing left wingers is like herding cats, each is an independent thinker and resists authority. We'll see. It will be interesting. I'm glad the pressure is going to be off of the left at least for a while.
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Post by stan17 on Nov 10, 2016 15:22:07 GMT
Here's the problem for the Dems. Their candidate just lost to a guy who's a non-politician, got very little help from his own party, got pummeled everyday by 5 of the 6 major news networks and got caught saying guy locker-room shit on camera. What does it say about your candidate when they lose going against that guy. It says the Dems candidate was incredibly flawed. They could've very easily chose a guy like Senator Warner from VA who has all the bells & whistles, Harvard Law, self made millionaire business man, Governor and no shit ball scandals, he's just one example that would've resonated FAR better. But alas they chose a very flawed person, so American citizens rejected her. What we all knew, from the beginning, she is and was terrible. And I think NAFTA was more Hillary's undoing than anything else. Agreed but I think more than anything, people are just plain tired of that family just as they'd had enough of the Bush family.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 10, 2016 15:22:48 GMT
Here's the problem for the Dems. Their candidate just lost to a guy who's a non-politician, got very little help from his own party, got pummeled everyday by 5 of the 6 major news networks and got caught saying guy locker-room shit on camera. What does it say about your candidate when they lose going against that guy. It says the Dems candidate was incredibly flawed. They could've very easily chose a guy like Senator Warner from VA who has all the bells & whistles, Harvard Law, self made millionaire business man, Governor and no shit ball scandals, he's just one example that would've resonated FAR better. But alas they chose a very flawed person, so American citizens rejected her. You called it "pummeling" by the media. Others might call it "advertising".
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Post by schlich on Nov 10, 2016 15:23:13 GMT
Here's the problem for the Dems. Their candidate just lost to a guy who's a non-politician, got very little help from his own party, got pummeled everyday by 5 of the 6 major news networks and got caught saying guy locker-room shit on camera. What does it say about your candidate when they lose going against that guy. It says the Dems candidate was incredibly flawed. They could've very easily chose a guy like Senator Warner from VA who has all the bells & whistles, Harvard Law, self made millionaire business man, Governor and no shit ball scandals, he's just one example that would've resonated FAR better. But alas they chose a very flawed person, so American citizens rejected her. What we all knew, from the beginning, she is and was terrible. And I think NAFTA was more Hillary's undoing than anything else. I think Trumps brand of campaigning was the biggest factor. Name-calling, fear-mongering, unsubstantiated rumors. I'm ashamed that it worked. And I'm afraid that it will be the new template.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 10, 2016 15:31:17 GMT
Here's the problem for the Dems. Their candidate just lost to a guy who's a non-politician, got very little help from his own party, got pummeled everyday by 5 of the 6 major news networks and got caught saying guy locker-room shit on camera. What does it say about your candidate when they lose going against that guy. It says the Dems candidate was incredibly flawed. They could've very easily chose a guy like Senator Warner from VA who has all the bells & whistles, Harvard Law, self made millionaire business man, Governor and no shit ball scandals, he's just one example that would've resonated FAR better. But alas they chose a very flawed person, so American citizens rejected her. What we all knew, from the beginning, she is and was terrible. And I think NAFTA was more Hillary's undoing than anything else. Maybe but how many people can actually outline what NAFTA really is? The biggest destroyer of manufacturing jobs has been automation, not trade agreements. Dont get me wrong, NAFTA didnt help but it was not the prime reason. So, unless Trump is going to ban technology and bring back the cotton gin there is no reversing this.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 10, 2016 15:31:26 GMT
What we all knew, from the beginning, she is and was terrible. And I think NAFTA was more Hillary's undoing than anything else. Agreed but I think more than anything, people are just plain tired of that family just as they'd had enough of the Bush family. Yep, no more establishment.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 10, 2016 15:38:07 GMT
What we all knew, from the beginning, she is and was terrible. And I think NAFTA was more Hillary's undoing than anything else. Maybe but how many people can actually outline what NAFTA really is? The biggest destroyer of manufacturing jobs has been automation, not trade agreements. Dont get me wrong, NAFTA didnt help but it was not the prime reason. So, unless Trump is going to ban technology and bring back the cotton gin there is no reversing this. Exactly correct, automation has been the biggest destroyer of manufacturing. And the people you need are for automated manufacturing don't tend to need any advanced training so no high paying jobs there. OK, let's pretend that doesn't exist. Another problem. You put a tax on imported goods and instead make them here, employ some more people here, sure, but then prices go up. So even in an "ideal" scenario you're just going to have inflation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 15:38:30 GMT
Dems are in a bind now. They fell hook line and sinker for the demographic hype and white working people are leaving the party in droves. They're stuck with an electorate that only turns en masse for minorities (HB call of the year) and has very little money. I agree, and I kind of like it since I dislike the party establishment so much. I think the next Democratic candidate would be wise to trim back the victim identity groups in a major way and coddle up to the people that the Democratic party should be supporting -- the middle and lower working classes (not the upper/lower entitlement class). Law enforcement, nurses, teachers, union laborers, government employees, and yes, even the military. Heck, Hillary still won the popular vote, so they wouldn't have that far to go. But when all of the energy of the campaign goes to supporting the victim classes, I think hard-working Americans will turn a blind eye to whatever Trump does and says about chicks, if they think he's more in their corner. I think a Trump presidency won't hurt them in the next election either. Sooner or later, I think it will become apparent that this guy can't make good on the golden unicorn promises of his campaign and turns out to not be such a gifted mind in foreign policy, trade, and the economy. Great, right? We're certainly going to need an opposition party in two year, but I hope they learn their lesson. Their racial claptrap has done more to ruin race relations than all the Righty rhetoric about immigration. What really struck me is Obama campaigning in the last days. He was truly a whore for Clinton, but that's besides the point. He told some Latino anchor that Hispanics should vote to give their family members that are here illegally a voice. That's incredibly insulting. Almost all Latinos are here legally, and most of them are second, or in the case of areas that have been immigrated since the 70's, third generation. Highly insulting, but revealing comment. We see how much he Dems like working whites now that they have Trump tattooed across their forehead. They don't care about Latinos.
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Post by stan17 on Nov 10, 2016 15:44:34 GMT
Here's the problem for the Dems. Their candidate just lost to a guy who's a non-politician, got very little help from his own party, got pummeled everyday by 5 of the 6 major news networks and got caught saying guy locker-room shit on camera. What does it say about your candidate when they lose going against that guy. It says the Dems candidate was incredibly flawed. They could've very easily chose a guy like Senator Warner from VA who has all the bells & whistles, Harvard Law, self made millionaire business man, Governor and no shit ball scandals, he's just one example that would've resonated FAR better. But alas they chose a very flawed person, so American citizens rejected her. You called it "pummeling" by the media. Others might call it "advertising". You can call I whatever you like.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 10, 2016 15:47:47 GMT
You called it "pummeling" by the media. Others might call it "advertising". You can call I whatever you like. But my point is that I believe many of Trump's followers liked it, it proved that he was "right", because they believe the media is always wrong.
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Post by stan17 on Nov 10, 2016 16:01:12 GMT
You can call I whatever you like. But my point is that I believe many of Trump's followers liked it, it proved that he was "right", because they believe the media is always wrong. Maybe, maybe not.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 10, 2016 16:07:31 GMT
Maybe but how many people can actually outline what NAFTA really is? The biggest destroyer of manufacturing jobs has been automation, not trade agreements. Dont get me wrong, NAFTA didnt help but it was not the prime reason. So, unless Trump is going to ban technology and bring back the cotton gin there is no reversing this. Exactly correct, automation has been the biggest destroyer of manufacturing. And the people you need are for automated manufacturing don't tend to need any advanced training so no high paying jobs there. OK, let's pretend that doesn't exist. Another problem. You put a tax on imported goods and instead make them here, employ some more people here, sure, but then prices go up. So even in an "ideal" scenario you're just going to have inflation. Yep. And then add in more out of pocket expenses due to the slashing of social programs (health care in particular) and maybe even a consumption tax to offset the impending massive tax cuts to the rich and purchasing power will go down even further.
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