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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 12, 2016 17:50:49 GMT
"The Trump transition website, www.greatagain.gov, picked up on the tone of legislation aimed at weakening Dodd-Frank financial regulations that was released this summer by Republican chair of the House Financial Services Committee, Jeb Hensarling." "The latest name to be swept into the speculation maelstrom is Jamie Dimon, the chief executive of JPMorgan Chase. He is said to be a candidate for secretary of the Treasury" "Steven Mnuchin, a former Golman Sachs executive is said to be a serious contender for Treasury secretary (though Carl Icahn, the investor, and Representative Jeb Hensarling, Republican of Texas, have also been mentioned in the news media)." www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/trump-campaigned-against-lobbyists-now-theyre-on-his-transition-team.html?_r=0"Kris Kobach, Kansas' Secretary of State has been hired for Trump's transition team." Last one is my favorite, a Koch brothers Tea Potty protégée. Yep all those Washington outsiders *cough* gonna shake things up. Another Wall St. disaster will be left for progressives to clean up. Business as usual in Washington. What a bunch of saps, thinking that Trump was going change things.
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 12, 2016 18:24:13 GMT
"The Trump transition website, www.greatagain.gov, picked up on the tone of legislation aimed at weakening Dodd-Frank financial regulations that was released this summer by Republican chair of the House Financial Services Committee, Jeb Hensarling." "The latest name to be swept into the speculation maelstrom is Jamie Dimon, the chief executive of JPMorgan Chase. He is said to be a candidate for secretary of the Treasury" "Steven Mnuchin, a former Golman Sachs executive is said to be a serious contender for Treasury secretary (though Carl Icahn, the investor, and Representative Jeb Hensarling, Republican of Texas, have also been mentioned in the news media)." www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/trump-campaigned-against-lobbyists-now-theyre-on-his-transition-team.html?_r=0"Kris Kobach, Kansas' Secretary of State has been hired for Trump's transition team." Last one is my favorite, a Koch brothers Tea Potty protégée. Yep all those Washington outsiders *cough* gonna shake things up. Another Wall St. disaster will be left for progressives to clean up. Business as usual in Washington. What a bunch of saps, thinking that Trump was going change things. They will ignore this because, you know, YUUUUGE!!!! BIGLY!!!! IMMIGRANTS!!!! GAYS!!!!
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 12, 2016 18:29:44 GMT
All good points, Isla...as always. Who to thank for job growth is always a point of contention. So either we say presidential policy does affect job growth or it doesnt. Unfortunately too many people want to have it both ways on this. They were blasting Obama when he took office at the height of the recession and job losses were approaching 800k a month and then saying he had nothing to do with the eventual 15 mill job gains during his presidency. That has always pissed me off. I don't begrudge Reagan or any other president when it comes to this and expect people to be consistent with their reasoning as well....I know, probably too much to ask lol. I agree with you about manufacturing to a point as well. I never proposed eliminating the sector altogether. My point is that, as you point out, its time has come and gone. This transition has left many behind but this is not the first time in history that economies adjust. So railing about jobs in a bygone industry like it is some magic bullet that will cure all ails is just short sighted in my opinion. The real problem here is not that manufacturing is no longer relevant, it is because there is no real direction as to what to focus on about what comes next. This lack of foresight has been the biggest casualty in a grid-locked federal government where they would rather infringe on the rights of women over their own personal health choices, or ramble about "teh gays" or be angry that we all don't say the lords prayer in kindergarten in the morning than come up with a solid long term and rational economic strategic plan. It has become theatre....performance art. And we have bought in to that concept, even electing a reality tv show star to lead. So Americans deport "brown people" making almost nothing in wages working on farms in the SW and that is going to bring back millions of jobs to underemployed white working class men in the rust belt? lol Are you or any of your friends (or any of my relatives still remaining in NH) who are underemployed seriously going to uproot your family and move to Arizona to pick crops for minimum wage? I seriously doubt that The way I see it, people are legitimately angry and confused and wanted an over the top spokesperson that gives them answers they want to hear. And they took that chance even though they have no idea about anything he will really do to actually improve their lives. It's not just lettuce pickers. 35% of construction workers are immigrants and there are similar stat across almost all trades. I worked in kitchens for five years when I was a kid and found myself in an atmosphere surrounded by docile illegals working for nickels. My father paid his paving crew more in the 80s than those laborers make now. Immigration can be positive, but blue collar workers have been crushed by it. We need to go after the companies that employ them with Draconian punishments, especially ones that use the temp agency loophole. Umm, yeah. You realize the american labour force is almost 180 million people right? You really want to push that 35% stat? I didnt know we had 65million illegal immigrants. And you think companies will just go "oh shucks I guess I will just pay more for my labour!" Nope, they will decrease activity due to cost or charge more for product.....they aren't going to eat the added cost. In any case, I am sure Trump will get right on punishing private business......totally something he would do lol
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 12, 2016 18:31:43 GMT
I remember the press saying at the beginning of the Carter administration, a relative outsider at the time anyway, that they called it "the amateur hour" because so many in the Carter camp didn't know their way around Washington -they were unaware of so many basic procedures. Same might happen with Trump if he sticks with the outsiders.
Please please please no Rudy. He's just nuts.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 12, 2016 18:36:05 GMT
"The Trump transition website, www.greatagain.gov, picked up on the tone of legislation aimed at weakening Dodd-Frank financial regulations that was released this summer by Republican chair of the House Financial Services Committee, Jeb Hensarling." "The latest name to be swept into the speculation maelstrom is Jamie Dimon, the chief executive of JPMorgan Chase. He is said to be a candidate for secretary of the Treasury" "Steven Mnuchin, a former Golman Sachs executive is said to be a serious contender for Treasury secretary (though Carl Icahn, the investor, and Representative Jeb Hensarling, Republican of Texas, have also been mentioned in the news media)." www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/trump-campaigned-against-lobbyists-now-theyre-on-his-transition-team.html?_r=0"Kris Kobach, Kansas' Secretary of State has been hired for Trump's transition team." Last one is my favorite, a Koch brothers Tea Potty protégée. Yep all those Washington outsiders *cough* gonna shake things up. Another Wall St. disaster will be left for progressives to clean up. Business as usual in Washington. What a bunch of saps, thinking that Trump was going change things. They will ignore this because, you know, YUUUUGE!!!! BIGLY!!!! IMMIGRANTS!!!! GAYS!!!! Did you see Garrison Keillor's article? he addresses HB's IYI. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-voters-will-not-like-what-happens-next/2016/11/09/e346ffc2-a67f-11e6-8fc0-7be8f848c492_story.html
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 12, 2016 18:40:07 GMT
"The Trump transition website, www.greatagain.gov, picked up on the tone of legislation aimed at weakening Dodd-Frank financial regulations that was released this summer by Republican chair of the House Financial Services Committee, Jeb Hensarling." "The latest name to be swept into the speculation maelstrom is Jamie Dimon, the chief executive of JPMorgan Chase. He is said to be a candidate for secretary of the Treasury" "Steven Mnuchin, a former Golman Sachs executive is said to be a serious contender for Treasury secretary (though Carl Icahn, the investor, and Representative Jeb Hensarling, Republican of Texas, have also been mentioned in the news media)." www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/trump-campaigned-against-lobbyists-now-theyre-on-his-transition-team.html?_r=0"Kris Kobach, Kansas' Secretary of State has been hired for Trump's transition team." Last one is my favorite, a Koch brothers Tea Potty protégée. Yep all those Washington outsiders *cough* gonna shake things up. Another Wall St. disaster will be left for progressives to clean up. Business as usual in Washington. What a bunch of saps, thinking that Trump was going change things. They will ignore this because, you know, YUUUUGE!!!! BIGLY!!!! IMMIGRANTS!!!! GAYS!!!! Huge win. Monumental!
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 12, 2016 18:40:19 GMT
I did. If he is even partially right, there will be many people in for a world of hurt
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Post by jmwalters on Nov 12, 2016 18:41:54 GMT
They will ignore this because, you know, YUUUUGE!!!! BIGLY!!!! IMMIGRANTS!!!! GAYS!!!! Huge win. Monumental! You forgot Ken Blackwell as head of the domestic policy transition team. He is also just a peach....if you are anti-gay and anti-women's rights.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 19:48:35 GMT
It's not just lettuce pickers. 35% of construction workers are immigrants and there are similar stat across almost all trades. I worked in kitchens for five years when I was a kid and found myself in an atmosphere surrounded by docile illegals working for nickels. My father paid his paving crew more in the 80s than those laborers make now. Immigration can be positive, but blue collar workers have been crushed by it. We need to go after the companies that employ them with Draconian punishments, especially ones that use the temp agency loophole. Umm, yeah. You realize the american labour force is almost 180 million people right? You really want to push that 35% stat? I didnt know we had 65million illegal immigrants. And you think companies will just go "oh shucks I guess I will just pay more for my labour!" Nope, they will decrease activity due to cost or charge more for product.....they aren't going to eat the added cost. In any case, I am sure Trump will get right on punishing private business......totally something he would do lol Too many immigrants working for low wages and charging low costs for projects and home improvements. Everybody in the trades will tell you the same thing, but unfortunately, judging from your posts in this thread you will listen to the logic of academico-bureaucrats with no skin in the game. And these clowns don't even deadlift.
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Post by sportsnut on Nov 12, 2016 19:56:53 GMT
Yeah, WaPo, a bastion of fair and balanced reporting. By all means, keep listening to the echo chamber if that's your safe space. In regards to the race card and bigoted, chauvinist, bullshit... let's deal with some facts. Per the talking points of late, many of those current "racists" that elected B.O. twice were the exact same folks that voted (R) this time around. I think Peter Thiel and Kellyanne Conway, David Clarke and Ben Carson might disagree with the racial/misogynist bombs being thrown by the left... or are they just opportunistic "Uncle Tom's"?
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 12, 2016 20:17:48 GMT
Umm, yeah. You realize the american labour force is almost 180 million people right? You really want to push that 35% stat? I didnt know we had 65million illegal immigrants. And you think companies will just go "oh shucks I guess I will just pay more for my labour!" Nope, they will decrease activity due to cost or charge more for product.....they aren't going to eat the added cost. In any case, I am sure Trump will get right on punishing private business......totally something he would do lol Too many immigrants working for low wages and charging low costs for projects and home improvements. Everybody in the trades will tell you the same thing, but unfortunately, judging from your posts in this thread you will listen to the logic of academico-bureaucrats with no skin in the game. And these clowns don't even deadlift. Slapping labels on people and dismissing anything they have to say because of that label. So convenient.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 12, 2016 20:50:31 GMT
"Wisconsin turn out* Voting Eligible Population Ballots Voter Eligible Population That Didn’t Vote Voter Eligible Population Total 2,935,000 (68.4 percent) 1,360,057 (31.6 percent) 4,295,057 *based on statistics from the United States Elections Project Michigan Turn-Out* Voting Eligible Population Ballots Voter Eligible Population That Didn’t Vote Voter Eligible Population Total 4,800,000 2,631,589 7,431,589 *based on statistics from the United States Elections Project New Hampshire Turn-Out* Voting Eligible Population Ballots Voter Eligible Population That Didn’t Vote Voter Eligible Population Total 732,000 309,147 1,041,147 *based on statistics from the United States Elections Project Another state with a very thin margin is New Hampshire, which still hasn’t been completely called. Clinton is ahead with 348,126 votes and Trump has 345,598 votes. In Michigan, the difference between Trump and Clinton is just 11,837 votes. (Gary Johnson earned 173,021 votes.) In Wisconsin, the difference between Trump and Clinton was just 27,257 votes. If she got the same number of votes Obama received in Milwaukee County alone, she would have made up the difference." "Rough numbers: 115m of 230m eligible voters stayed home. Trump won Wisconsin by 27,000 votes. 300,000 registered voters in WI lacked strict voter ID" Those protesters should be mad at the people who stayed home. I think ALL of this post election Monday morning quarterbacking is 100% bullshit. Here is what I see. The Trump election is just one more sign of a Nationalist movement that is going on in the world. The other sign was Brexit. And what's that all about? Globablization. It's here and people aren't accepting it. And I find that pretty understandable. My father came to this country from Poland just after WW2 escaping the Nazis first and then the communists. Same for my mother. My father only had a third grade education and my mother none, she was illiterate all of her life. my father worked for hourly wages all his life and my mother worked cleaning houses. They bought 2 houses in a very nice suburban Boston community - Belmont. My father cooked for Harvard for the school season and had a job cooking for a boys camp in the Adirondacks in the summer. I look at what he accumulated with what he earned. I look at my job which pays much more than he could ever dream of, my wife has a really good job. We can't even *think* of buying an investment property, we can't even *think* of taking a really nice vacation - one that involves a plane flight somewhere. Clothing is cheaper now, my mother darned socks and now I throw them away if they get a hole in them. Food is cheaper, but overall quality of life is NOT as good. It frustrates the shit out of me. I feel like I should be doing miles better than my father ever dreamed of. I'm really economical, I spent 7 years heating my house with firewood alone, I do all my own home repairs and I bought a fixer uppper in the best town I could and I turned a dump into a house that some people go gaga over (depending on your taste of course). If I lose my job I'm fucked. And that might just happen because some huge equity company with a reputation for laying off 10% of the employees, raping, pillaging and selling for a profit. What the fuck? My father was always secure in his job and he did better than me. I think there are tons of people out there feeling what I feel and feel we should be getting a break, yet the media points out the welfare cheats, the immigrants - all these people who are catching a break except for us white guys. And it makes me feel resentful. It is the current reality. And it sucks. So exactly like the witch hunts of 400 years ago, bad shit happens and it feels **SO** much better to blame some people. So lets blame the intelligentsia, the media, the pundits all those people who we can blame and tell them "fuck you". And that's what people did. This election had its specifics with Trump and Clinton, but I believe it was inevitable. Given their way an angry mob will lynch someone.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 12, 2016 21:59:49 GMT
Yeah, WaPo, a bastion of fair and balanced reporting. By all means, keep listening to the echo chamber if that's your safe space. In regards to the race card and bigoted, chauvinist, bullshit... let's deal with some facts. Per the talking points of late, many of those current "racists" that elected B.O. twice were the exact same folks that voted (R) this time around. I think Peter Thiel and Kellyanne Conway, David Clarke and Ben Carson might disagree with the racial/misogynist bombs being thrown by the left... or are they just opportunistic "Uncle Tom's"? I like Richard Steele a lot. I don't think Dr. Carson is an Uncle Tom. But I do think he is a wierdo, every time he opens his mouth something really stupid comes out. What do you think of Ben Carson possibly being in charge of the department of education ?
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 12, 2016 22:37:40 GMT
Yeah, WaPo, a bastion of fair and balanced reporting. By all means, keep listening to the echo chamber if that's your safe space. In regards to the race card and bigoted, chauvinist, bullshit... let's deal with some facts. Per the talking points of late, many of those current "racists" that elected B.O. twice were the exact same folks that voted (R) this time around. I think Peter Thiel and Kellyanne Conway, David Clarke and Ben Carson might disagree with the racial/misogynist bombs being thrown by the left... or are they just opportunistic "Uncle Tom's"? I like Richard Steele a lot. I don't think Dr. Carson is an Uncle Tom. But I do think he is a wierdo, every time he opens his mouth something really stupid comes out. What do you think of Ben Carson possibly being in charge of the department of education ? Ben Carson believes that the pyramids were built to store grain. No archaeologists think so, but what the fuck? If ever there was an example of Henry's IYI label this is it. www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/ben-carson-pyramids-grain/
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Post by kelvana33 on Nov 12, 2016 22:44:07 GMT
"Wisconsin turn out* Voting Eligible Population Ballots Voter Eligible Population That Didn’t Vote Voter Eligible Population Total 2,935,000 (68.4 percent) 1,360,057 (31.6 percent) 4,295,057 *based on statistics from the United States Elections Project Michigan Turn-Out* Voting Eligible Population Ballots Voter Eligible Population That Didn’t Vote Voter Eligible Population Total 4,800,000 2,631,589 7,431,589 *based on statistics from the United States Elections Project New Hampshire Turn-Out* Voting Eligible Population Ballots Voter Eligible Population That Didn’t Vote Voter Eligible Population Total 732,000 309,147 1,041,147 *based on statistics from the United States Elections Project Another state with a very thin margin is New Hampshire, which still hasn’t been completely called. Clinton is ahead with 348,126 votes and Trump has 345,598 votes. In Michigan, the difference between Trump and Clinton is just 11,837 votes. (Gary Johnson earned 173,021 votes.) In Wisconsin, the difference between Trump and Clinton was just 27,257 votes. If she got the same number of votes Obama received in Milwaukee County alone, she would have made up the difference." "Rough numbers: 115m of 230m eligible voters stayed home. Trump won Wisconsin by 27,000 votes. 300,000 registered voters in WI lacked strict voter ID" Those protesters should be mad at the people who stayed home. I think ALL of this post election Monday morning quarterbacking is 100% bullshit. Here is what I see. The Trump election is just one more sign of a Nationalist movement that is going on in the world. The other sign was Brexit. And what's that all about? Globablization. It's here and people aren't accepting it. And I find that pretty understandable. My father came to this country from Poland just after WW2 escaping the Nazis first and then the communists. Same for my mother. My father only had a third grade education and my mother none, she was illiterate all of her life. my father worked for hourly wages all his life and my mother worked cleaning houses. They bought 2 houses in a very nice suburban Boston community - Belmont. My father cooked for Harvard for the school season and had a job cooking for a boys camp in the Adirondacks in the summer. I look at what he accumulated with what he earned. I look at my job which pays much more than he could ever dream of, my wife has a really good job. We can't even *think* of buying an investment property, we can't even *think* of taking a really nice vacation - one that involves a plane flight somewhere. Clothing is cheaper now, my mother darned socks and now I throw them away if they get a hole in them. Food is cheaper, but overall quality of life is NOT as good. It frustrates the shit out of me. I feel like I should be doing miles better than my father ever dreamed of. I'm really economical, I spent 7 years heating my house with firewood alone, I do all my own home repairs and I bought a fixer uppper in the best town I could and I turned a dump into a house that some people go gaga over (depending on your taste of course). If I lose my job I'm fucked. And that might just happen because some huge equity company with a reputation for laying off 10% of the employees, raping, pillaging and selling for a profit. What the fuck? My father was always secure in his job and he did better than me. I think there are tons of people out there feeling what I feel and feel we should be getting a break, yet the media points out the welfare cheats, the immigrants - all these people who are catching a break except for us white guys. And it makes me feel resentful. It is the current reality. And it sucks. So exactly like the witch hunts of 400 years ago, bad shit happens and it feels **SO** much better to blame some people. So lets blame the intelligentsia, the media, the pundits all those people who we can blame and tell them "fuck you". And that's what people did. This election had its specifics with Trump and Clinton, but I believe it was inevitable. Given their way an angry mob will lynch someone. Awesome stuff about your parents Badhab. Same with my in laws, my father in law came from Sicily with nothing but the clothes on his back, worked 3 jobs at one point and bought a small house that he turned into a beautiful 2 floor house with his own hands and raised his 6 children there, 5 of them graduated college.
Those days when people came here, worked their tails off and made it for themselves. Now they come here with their hands out and our government gives it to them. Fuck them.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 12, 2016 23:03:28 GMT
Awesome stuff about your parents Badhab. Same with my in laws, my father in law came from Sicily with nothing but the clothes on his back, worked 3 jobs at one point and bought a small house that he turned into a beautiful 2 floor house with his own hands and raised his 6 children there, 5 of them graduated college.
Those days when people came here, worked their tails off and made it for themselves. Now they come here with their hands out and our government gives it to them. Fuck them.
I get that. Yes, fuck them - EXCEPT - what are you going to do about them all? I see 2 choices, give them nothing and then you end up with countries like parts of Brazil and India where you have children swarming you in the streets lifting everything you got in your pockets. Then your job will be to swing a nightstick at those swarms of street kids and chase them from sewer cap to sewer cap where they live. Seriously, I saw a documentary about that about street kids in Brazil. And of course all of them spend any money they get on dope. OR You give handouts to these people and your job is what it is now. So which job would you like to have? It's a giant shit sandwich and you gotta take a bite, starting at one end or the other or the middle isn't going to make it any better. It's going to suck one way or the other.
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Post by sportsnut on Nov 12, 2016 23:09:43 GMT
Yeah, WaPo, a bastion of fair and balanced reporting. By all means, keep listening to the echo chamber if that's your safe space. In regards to the race card and bigoted, chauvinist, bullshit... let's deal with some facts. Per the talking points of late, many of those current "racists" that elected B.O. twice were the exact same folks that voted (R) this time around. I think Peter Thiel and Kellyanne Conway, David Clarke and Ben Carson might disagree with the racial/misogynist bombs being thrown by the left... or are they just opportunistic "Uncle Tom's"? I like Richard Steele a lot. I don't think Dr. Carson is an Uncle Tom. But I do think he is a wierdo, every time he opens his mouth something really stupid comes out. What do you think of Ben Carson possibly being in charge of the department of education ? Anybody that rises to the height he did in his particular profession probably has the intellect to be successful in a lot of different areas, Health and Human Services? I like Bill Evers out of Stanford as Education Czar.
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Post by sportsnut on Nov 12, 2016 23:16:51 GMT
Awesome stuff about your parents Badhab. Same with my in laws, my father in law came from Sicily with nothing but the clothes on his back, worked 3 jobs at one point and bought a small house that he turned into a beautiful 2 floor house with his own hands and raised his 6 children there, 5 of them graduated college.
Those days when people came here, worked their tails off and made it for themselves. Now they come here with their hands out and our government gives it to them. Fuck them.
I get that. Yes, fuck them - EXCEPT - what are you going to do about them all? I see 2 choices, give them nothing and then you end up with countries like parts of Brazil and India where you have children swarming you in the streets lifting everything you got in your pockets. Then your job will be to swing a nightstick at those swarms of street kids and chase them from sewer cap to sewer cap where they live. Seriously, I saw a documentary about that about street kids in Brazil. And of course all of them spend any money they get on dope. OR You give handouts to these people and your job is what it is now. So which job would you like to have? It's a giant shit sandwich and you gotta take a bite, starting at one end or the other or the middle isn't going to make it any better. It's going to suck one way or the other. No, there is a third choice. You work to improve the educational opportunities for those that lean that way and foster an economic environment that will produce employment opportunities for those that don't. I vote this choice and hopefully the next 4-8 years start the ball rolling in this direction.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 13, 2016 0:08:27 GMT
No, there is a third choice. You work to improve the educational opportunities for those that lean that way and foster an economic environment that will produce employment opportunities for those that don't. I vote this choice and hopefully the next 4-8 years start the ball rolling in this direction. Yes, you have a point, but there is only so much money to go around. you have to choose between defense defending borders and law and order, if you have them all you raise the deficit.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Nov 13, 2016 0:26:06 GMT
"Wisconsin turn out* Voting Eligible Population Ballots Voter Eligible Population That Didn’t Vote Voter Eligible Population Total 2,935,000 (68.4 percent) 1,360,057 (31.6 percent) 4,295,057 *based on statistics from the United States Elections Project Michigan Turn-Out* Voting Eligible Population Ballots Voter Eligible Population That Didn’t Vote Voter Eligible Population Total 4,800,000 2,631,589 7,431,589 *based on statistics from the United States Elections Project New Hampshire Turn-Out* Voting Eligible Population Ballots Voter Eligible Population That Didn’t Vote Voter Eligible Population Total 732,000 309,147 1,041,147 *based on statistics from the United States Elections Project Another state with a very thin margin is New Hampshire, which still hasn’t been completely called. Clinton is ahead with 348,126 votes and Trump has 345,598 votes. In Michigan, the difference between Trump and Clinton is just 11,837 votes. (Gary Johnson earned 173,021 votes.) In Wisconsin, the difference between Trump and Clinton was just 27,257 votes. If she got the same number of votes Obama received in Milwaukee County alone, she would have made up the difference." "Rough numbers: 115m of 230m eligible voters stayed home. Trump won Wisconsin by 27,000 votes. 300,000 registered voters in WI lacked strict voter ID" Those protesters should be mad at the people who stayed home. I think ALL of this post election Monday morning quarterbacking is 100% bullshit. It's here and people aren't accepting it. And I find that pretty understandable. My father came to this country from Poland just after WW2 escaping the Nazis first and then the communists. Same for my mother. My father only had a third grade education and my mother none, she was illiterate all of her life. my father worked for hourly wages all his life and my mother worked cleaning houses. They bought 2 houses in a very nice suburban Boston community - Belmont. My father cooked for Harvard for the school season and had a job cooking for a boys camp in the Adirondacks in the summer. I look at what he accumulated with what he earned. I look at my job which pays much more than he could ever dream of, my wife has a really good job. We can't even *think* of buying an investment property, we can't even *think* of taking a really nice vacation - one that involves a plane flight somewhere. Clothing is cheaper now, my mother darned socks and now I throw them away if they get a hole in them. Food is cheaper, but overall quality of life is NOT as good. It frustrates the shit out of me. I feel like I should be doing miles better than my father ever dreamed of. I'm really economical, I spent 7 years heating my house with firewood alone, I do all my own home repairs and I bought a fixer uppper in the best town I could and I turned a dump into a house that some people go gaga over (depending on your taste of course). If I lose my job I'm fucked. And that might just happen because some huge equity company with a reputation for laying off 10% of the employees, raping, pillaging and selling for a profit. This is a great experience and glad you shared it. My family has a familiar story.This election had its specifics with Trump and Clinton, but I believe it was inevitable. Given their way an angry mob will lynch someone. My post however has damning statistical reasoning as to what happened. Nothing to do with getting rid of unions and Comey. It's a view of what, where and how certain states got swung. The same people that gave control to the House in 2010 just effed up again. Some huckleberry's just don't get IT.
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Post by The OC on Nov 13, 2016 0:33:41 GMT
The fuck it is! This industry WILL NEVER get back to where it was! It'll get better & it slowly is, but to where it was to say 2007-2012? Nope! What was that like back then? I honestly don't know much about how it affected Western Canada. That's the tough reality of the oil business-the more the resources are developed, the less money there is in it. The oil boom was amazing. Virtually anyone could go to Fort Mac and get a 6 figure job. I knew countless guys who went west and lived like rock stars. Companies would fly you to work from Nova Scotia, and on days off boys would head to Vegas to party it up. It was amazing, and great for anyone who lost their job at home. Stuck? Head north west and make a tonne of money. I honestly think it will rebound with Trump in. Obama was blocking the pipeline because Warren Buffet owns trains. And Saudi Arabia was putting downward pressure on oil prices to put the squeeze on Putin. With higher oil and a potential pipeline, Canadian Oil will take off again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 0:51:35 GMT
What was that like back then? I honestly don't know much about how it affected Western Canada. That's the tough reality of the oil business-the more the resources are developed, the less money there is in it. The oil boom was amazing. Virtually anyone could go to Fort Mac and get a 6 figure job. I knew countless guys who went west and lived like rock stars. Companies would fly you to work from Nova Scotia, and on days off boys would head to Vegas to party it up. It was amazing, and great for anyone who lost their job at home. Stuck? Head north west and make a tonne of money. I honestly think it will rebound with Trump in. Obama was blocking the pipeline because Warren Buffet owns trains. And Saudi Arabia was putting downward pressure on oil prices to put the squeeze on Putin. With higher oil and a potential pipeline, Canadian Oil will take off again. Hey, I like it. Some of the macro talk in here puts the "dismal" in "dismal science." You would think nothing could make the economy grow 3%.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 0:54:21 GMT
I need to say, I don't care about protesting (a little late, but whatever) BUT, those miserable no good cocksuckers that are burning the flag should be beaten with a bat! Burning the flag imo is like burning the military! It's a total disrespect to those that keep us safe & are on the front lines. And they're fighting for a nation as a whole. Doesn't matter which in charge, people need to remember that the flag isn't a sign of any individual. I loathe flag burning in protest! I think it should be against the law even in a democracy!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 0:57:50 GMT
What was that like back then? I honestly don't know much about how it affected Western Canada. That's the tough reality of the oil business-the more the resources are developed, the less money there is in it. Henry, when I first got into it back in 04' it was great for Canada. I had my pick as to which fab shop, or site I wanted to go to. I seriously was getting called at least 3-4x a month from different companies to come work for them. Slowed down a bit in 06-07 & that's when I left oil/gas for WestJet. Never would've left Westjet had I been able to move up, but there was only 3 places in my department where I could go & I was told I was in line for the next opening as my boss was retiring. I never even got interviewed for it & they gave it to someone from Toronto. I asked what happened & Head Office just basically said that this person worked for WestJet longer, but to not even give me an interview? Needless to say I was pissed off. After my meeting--about 45 min later I got a call from a buddy who was the Construction Manager for a job in Fort Mac. He offered me a sweet fucking deal & he got me when I was pissed, so I walked back in & said I was putting in my 2 wks. BIGGEST mistake I ever fucking made! I should've told my buddy I want to think about & let myself cool off. But, that's the Maritime in me & I jumped when I should've just taken a step back & paused. The person from Toronto got fired on his 88th day. Anyway, sorry about that rant, but from 2008-2012 the Oil & Gas industry was booming, yea there were a few hiccups here & there, like in 2009, but that didn't stop from expansion. I highly doubt that there will be any more plants being built. It's going to be mostly expansion & maintenance shutdowns. The pipe line (one of the very few things I do like about Trump) will certainly help for jobs for the short term-- unless you're lucky enough to get hired on at a substation. I have a very conspiratorial and unprovable theory that the Democrats' reluctance to expand drilling is because the Saudis gave 25 million to the Clinton Foundation...but hopefully the industry stays stable. I'd like to see more development in areas like Idaho, North Dakota, Montana, etc. I swear the US is becoming like China, where 97 percent of the money is in the cities.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 1:01:37 GMT
The oil boom was amazing. Virtually anyone could go to Fort Mac and get a 6 figure job. I knew countless guys who went west and lived like rock stars. Companies would fly you to work from Nova Scotia, and on days off boys would head to Vegas to party it up. It was amazing, and great for anyone who lost their job at home. Stuck? Head north west and make a tonne of money. I honestly think it will rebound with Trump in. Obama was blocking the pipeline because Warren Buffet owns trains. And Saudi Arabia was putting downward pressure on oil prices to put the squeeze on Putin. With higher oil and a potential pipeline, Canadian Oil will take off again. Hey, I like it. Some of the macro talk in here puts the "dismal" in "dismal science." You would think nothing could make the economy grow 3%. The pipeline is only for a short term. And those that will be working on it, won't be making the same money until the economy gets better. The economy won't get better here in the West until the price of oil goes up. With 44,000 jobs lost in AB alone. With 75-85% of those jobs lost in oil & gas? People won't be going back to work & making 6 figures. Too many people are out of work & they'll take what the company offers. People can't refuse it.
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