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Post by crowls on Jun 6, 2015 13:57:04 GMT
Actually seems like a decent proposal. Nice work Henry. It looks like a good trade to me as well,Maroon is a LW though,so playing with Fat & Krejci won't work. Maroon,Spooner,Pasta i guess. Could put Maroon with DK and keep Lucic with Spooner & Pastrnak?
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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 6, 2015 14:01:09 GMT
It looks like a good trade to me as well,Maroon is a LW though,so playing with Fat & Krejci won't work. Maroon,Spooner,Pasta i guess. Could put Maroon with DK and keep Lucic with Spooner & Pastrnak?
That would work, Maroon/DK/Connolly Fat/Spooner/Pasta Marchy/Bergy/Smith
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Post by crowls on Jun 6, 2015 14:02:36 GMT
ANA- Tuukka Rask BOS-Maroon, Vatanen/Lindholm, Andersen ANA gets a "final piece." Boston get a big body like Horton to put with Lucic and Krejci, and another PMD to balance a top-4 of Chara, Vatanen, Seidenberg, Hamilton and keep Millar and Krug off the top-4. Andersen benefits from a good defense and the cap dollars work for both sides. Would prefer Gibson back in this deal over Andersen.
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Post by crowls on Jun 6, 2015 14:20:30 GMT
Could put Maroon with DK and keep Lucic with Spooner & Pastrnak?
That would work, Maroon/DK/Connolly Fat/Spooner/Pasta Marchy/Bergy/Smith Still have Eriksson to work in too.
Maybe deal Smith?
Marchand/ Bergeron/ Connolly Maroon/DK/Eriksson Lucic/Spooner/Pastrnak
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jun 6, 2015 16:21:58 GMT
I would deal Smith before I would trade Eriksson.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 17:22:18 GMT
My thinking is that with Kelly and Campbell gone, Gaustad and Spooner can center the fourth and third lines, and have more of a three line attack. Can't believe I am typing this, but I would rather just keep Kelly.
No Cap relief in that deal, Gaustad's hit is +$250k over Kelly. Frankly, think Kelly is a better player than Gaustad and probably a better fit.
How many years does Kelly have left? Part of my thinking was Gaustad on an expiring contract.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jun 6, 2015 17:26:34 GMT
Kelly has one year left with a $3M cap hit. Actual salary of $2M.
The Bruins can't afford a $3M cap hit on the 4th line no matter who the player is.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jun 6, 2015 19:11:04 GMT
Kelly has one year left with a $3M cap hit. Actual salary of $2M. The Bruins can't afford a $3M cap hit on the 4th line no matter who the player is. 100% agree. I've said it before, in todays cap world I think you have to think differently. I would go all entry level deals on the 4th line, put some players on there you feel have done what they could at Providence but need some seasoning at the NHL level. For example, last year I would have gone with a Ferlin-Spooner-Griffith 4th line, have them play against other teams 4th lines and see if they grow into top 9 forwards.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 23:52:13 GMT
Kelly has one year left with a $3M cap hit. Actual salary of $2M. The Bruins can't afford a $3M cap hit on the 4th line no matter who the player is. 100% agree. I've said it before, in todays cap world I think you have to think differently. I would go all entry level deals on the 4th line, put some players on there you feel have done what they could at Providence but need some seasoning at the NHL level. For example, last year I would have gone with a Ferlin-Spooner-Griffith 4th line, have them play against other teams 4th lines and see if they grow into top 9 forwards. You mean a minimum wage 4th line. Been saying this for a while. Why waste key dollars on a 4th line and 7-10 minutes. Use the extra money on defence. Have a stacked defence. Have 3 solid lines. Have a 4th line of minimum wagers.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jun 7, 2015 0:24:49 GMT
Hawks are basically playing 4 D so why have a 4th line at all? Sign a bunch of vets who can't play a regular shift any more and stash them on the bench in case of injury. The Simon Gagnes of the world.
In all seriousness, I think this is the direction teams are already thinking, so in about 10 months, I'd prepare to go the other direction - stack my third and fourth line with those mid-level players whose value is getting squeezed by inflation for the top players and EL players getting lots more chances. Guys coming off $4-$5M deals who teams won't pay for. We'll roll 4 and keep the pace up so that the guys you have playing 20+ minutes aren't as effective.
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Post by dezaruchi on Jun 7, 2015 0:34:24 GMT
What a tip!
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jun 7, 2015 0:44:58 GMT
Your welcome! Anytime we can help out with a trade proposal just ask.
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Post by dezaruchi on Jun 7, 2015 0:53:38 GMT
Your welcome! Anytime we can help out with a trade proposal just ask. Yeah, I'm already drunk. Took 12 minutes to type this. Should've kept it shorter.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jun 7, 2015 3:37:24 GMT
Hawks are basically playing 4 D so why have a 4th line at all? Sign a bunch of vets who can't play a regular shift any more and stash them on the bench in case of injury. The Simon Gagnes of the world. In all seriousness, I think this is the direction teams are already thinking, so in about 10 months, I'd prepare to go the other direction - stack my third and fourth line with those mid-level players whose value is getting squeezed by inflation for the top players and EL players getting lots more chances. Guys coming off $4-$5M deals who teams won't pay for. We'll roll 4 and keep the pace up so that the guys you have playing 20+ minutes aren't as effective. If they lose, that will be the reason why. If they hold up, they win, get burnt out, they lose.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jun 7, 2015 3:50:37 GMT
Your welcome! Anytime we can help out with a trade proposal just ask. Yeah, I'm already drunk. Took 12 minutes to type this. Should've kept it shorter. When are you ever not drunk? Do we need a thread for that? "Dez's Sober Thoughts" Replies: 0 Views: 0
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Post by dezaruchi on Jun 7, 2015 4:32:28 GMT
Sometimes. I can't give examples but it happens.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 22:41:55 GMT
Trade 1. Lucic Kelly 2nd round pick for Nash Talbot. Money very close.
Trade 2. Hamilton to Leafs for 1st overall and Polak. Extend Krug
Trade 3. Rask to Ducks for lyndholm 1st rounder.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jun 8, 2015 0:22:13 GMT
I like the creativity.
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Post by dezaruchi on Jun 8, 2015 0:37:03 GMT
I think it's cute as well.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jun 8, 2015 14:42:09 GMT
Trade 1. Lucic Kelly 2nd round pick for Nash Talbot. Money very close. Trade 2. Hamilton to Leafs for 1st overall and Polak. Extend Krug Trade 3. Rask to Ducks for lyndholm 1st rounder. I like the creativity Shupe, but I cant see the Ducks adding Rask when they have Anderson and Gibson on entry level deals.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jun 8, 2015 16:47:10 GMT
If they think the only reason they couldn't beat Chicago was that they lost the goaltending battle, I can see it from their perspective. No idea why the Bruins would do it.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jun 8, 2015 18:04:56 GMT
If they think the only reason they couldn't beat Chicago was that they lost the goaltending battle, I can see it from their perspective. No idea why the Bruins would do it. Anderson played well, but I think Gibson is seen as the goalie of the future there.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jun 8, 2015 20:31:10 GMT
Oh, for sure, kel. They already gave him a game 7. But how many years can they afford to wait for him? The Ducks have a bit of a window here. Next year, Lindholm, Vaatanen, and Despres are all in the final year of deals that pay them btw 800K and 1.2M, and all will be looking for healthy raises. Sekac, Palmieri, and Rackell are all RFA that year as well, and Kesler goes UFA. He won't be a $5M player after that. Both Gibson and Anderson come up for RFA after next year as well. So right now, they have to deal with Beauchemin's expired deal, Etem and Silfverberg, and they need to decide if Belesky is worth what he'll want. With about $52M committed, they're in good shape...next year. Once those free agent deals start to kick in though, it's going to get a lot harder to keep the band together.
If they think Rask pushes them over the hump before the bleeding starts, maybe it's worth it. I mean, people are proposing trading Andersen, so maybe they look at moving Rask once the pressure settles in....
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jun 8, 2015 22:56:19 GMT
If they think the only reason they couldn't beat Chicago was that they lost the goaltending battle, I can see it from their perspective. No idea why the Bruins would do it. Anderson played well, but I think Gibson is seen as the goalie of the future there. The problem there Kelv, is that Bishop was given the chance to be #1 in Anaheim and he didn't grab it. Andersen has played better at practice, regular season and in the playoffs than has Gibson has. I am not saying that Gibson is El bustorama, ala Jack Campbell, but at some point the Ducks might have to decide to go the route LA did with Bernier or Gibson will need to take the job back in September.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 9, 2015 5:00:03 GMT
Anderson played well, but I think Gibson is seen as the goalie of the future there. The problem there Kelv, is that Bishop was given the chance to be #1 in Anaheim and he didn't grab it. Andersen has played better at practice, regular season and in the playoffs than has Gibson has. I am not saying that Gibson is El bustorama, ala Jack Campbell, but at some point the Ducks might have to decide to go the route LA did with Bernier or Gibson will need to take the job back in September. Gibson?
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