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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jun 11, 2015 2:23:41 GMT
Had too much of Dez's hootch moonshine.
Yes Gibson.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Jun 12, 2015 0:27:37 GMT
Here's my proposal, let's attack another cap strapped team, and snag marian hossa. Move smith (even though I'd like to keep him) and put him with bergeron and hope he keeps up his current level of play, which I think he will, for at least 2-3 years. I think he's a luxury the Hawks will likely not be able to afford moving forward. They could probably keep him for another year, but if his production diminishes, they can't have that 5.23 on the books with younger players taking over his current role. This is especially true if they wish to keep seabrook beyond next year. Additionally, I don't think chicago will be looking for fair value for the player, seeing as how a 36 year old with 6 years left on his contract isn't exactly enticing. However for the Bruins it wouldn't be a 6 year contract, it would be a 2 year deal with 4 option years at a 5.233 cap hit, and $1mm salary. I know Jacobs is a penny pincher, but if hossa is toast after a couple years, I don't think he would object to sending him to providence (because the extension was signed before hossa turned 35, and he doesn't have a no movement clause from what I see, they could get his money off the books in this fashion), which could cause him to retire. Here's the wrinkle, because the contract came before the most recent lockout, and he would be traded after said lockout, the recapture penalty if he retires goes to chicago, not whatever team held the contract last. Thoughts?
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Post by dezaruchi on Jun 12, 2015 0:49:30 GMT
Here's my proposal, let's attack another cap strapped team, and snag marian hossa. Move smith (even though I'd like to keep him) and put him with bergeron and hope he keeps up his current level of play, which I think he will, for at least 2-3 years. I think he's a luxury the Hawks will likely not be able to afford moving forward. They could probably keep him for another year, but if his production diminishes, they can't have that 5.23 on the books with younger players taking over his current role. This is especially true if they wish to keep seabrook beyond next year. Additionally, I don't think chicago will be looking for fair value for the player, seeing as how a 36 year old with 6 years left on his contract isn't exactly enticing. However for the Bruins it wouldn't be a 6 year contract, it would be a 2 year deal with 4 option years at a 5.233 cap hit, and $1mm salary. I know Jacobs is a penny pincher, but if hossa is toast after a couple years, I don't think he would object to sending him to providence (because the extension was signed before hossa turned 35, and he doesn't have a no movement clause from what I see, they could get his money off the books in this fashion), which could cause him to retire. Here's the wrinkle, because the contract came before the most recent lockout, and he would be traded after said lockout, the recapture penalty if he retires goes to chicago, not whatever team held the contract last. Thoughts? Sounds tricky but interesting nonetheless.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 4:27:26 GMT
Here's my proposal, let's attack another cap strapped team, and snag marian hossa. Move smith (even though I'd like to keep him) and put him with bergeron and hope he keeps up his current level of play, which I think he will, for at least 2-3 years. I think he's a luxury the Hawks will likely not be able to afford moving forward. They could probably keep him for another year, but if his production diminishes, they can't have that 5.23 on the books with younger players taking over his current role. This is especially true if they wish to keep seabrook beyond next year. Additionally, I don't think chicago will be looking for fair value for the player, seeing as how a 36 year old with 6 years left on his contract isn't exactly enticing. However for the Bruins it wouldn't be a 6 year contract, it would be a 2 year deal with 4 option years at a 5.233 cap hit, and $1mm salary. I know Jacobs is a penny pincher, but if hossa is toast after a couple years, I don't think he would object to sending him to providence (because the extension was signed before hossa turned 35, and he doesn't have a no movement clause from what I see, they could get his money off the books in this fashion), which could cause him to retire. Here's the wrinkle, because the contract came before the most recent lockout, and he would be traded after said lockout, the recapture penalty if he retires goes to chicago, not whatever team held the contract last. Thoughts? I don't think Hossa goes anywhere. I see Sharp being traded, Bickel being waived, oduya signing with the ducks and possibly Crawford being dealt. Hossa is the best defensive winger in hockey and puts up numbers next to Toews on the top line. When you minus what I deleted from the Hawks this opens up a fair bit of cash. I think Hossa is and has been a bargain for years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 12:03:13 GMT
Here's my proposal, let's attack another cap strapped team, and snag marian hossa. Move smith (even though I'd like to keep him) and put him with bergeron and hope he keeps up his current level of play, which I think he will, for at least 2-3 years. I think he's a luxury the Hawks will likely not be able to afford moving forward. They could probably keep him for another year, but if his production diminishes, they can't have that 5.23 on the books with younger players taking over his current role. This is especially true if they wish to keep seabrook beyond next year. Additionally, I don't think chicago will be looking for fair value for the player, seeing as how a 36 year old with 6 years left on his contract isn't exactly enticing. However for the Bruins it wouldn't be a 6 year contract, it would be a 2 year deal with 4 option years at a 5.233 cap hit, and $1mm salary. I know Jacobs is a penny pincher, but if hossa is toast after a couple years, I don't think he would object to sending him to providence (because the extension was signed before hossa turned 35, and he doesn't have a no movement clause from what I see, they could get his money off the books in this fashion), which could cause him to retire. Here's the wrinkle, because the contract came before the most recent lockout, and he would be traded after said lockout, the recapture penalty if he retires goes to chicago, not whatever team held the contract last. Thoughts? I don't think Hossa goes anywhere. I see Sharp being traded, Bickel being waived, oduya signing with the ducks and possibly Crawford being dealt. Hossa is the best defensive winger in hockey and puts up numbers next to Toews on the top line. When you minus what I deleted from the Hawks this opens up a fair bit of cash. I think Hossa is and has been a bargain for years. It opens up a fair bit of cash...............but also opens up some really important positional spots in the lineup as well. Whoever thinks that the Hawks will be fine must have a lot of faith in what Bowman can bring to the lineup as far as cheap talent to fill those roles. That's the only way he can do it..........will it be enough to pull in another cup or two ? The West is a tough conference .......losing that much tells me no. But I wouldn't bet bet against their core players that they'd still have there.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Jun 19, 2015 15:25:17 GMT
Here's my proposal, let's attack another cap strapped team, and snag marian hossa. Move smith (even though I'd like to keep him) and put him with bergeron and hope he keeps up his current level of play, which I think he will, for at least 2-3 years. I think he's a luxury the Hawks will likely not be able to afford moving forward. They could probably keep him for another year, but if his production diminishes, they can't have that 5.23 on the books with younger players taking over his current role. This is especially true if they wish to keep seabrook beyond next year. Additionally, I don't think chicago will be looking for fair value for the player, seeing as how a 36 year old with 6 years left on his contract isn't exactly enticing. However for the Bruins it wouldn't be a 6 year contract, it would be a 2 year deal with 4 option years at a 5.233 cap hit, and $1mm salary. I know Jacobs is a penny pincher, but if hossa is toast after a couple years, I don't think he would object to sending him to providence (because the extension was signed before hossa turned 35, and he doesn't have a no movement clause from what I see, they could get his money off the books in this fashion), which could cause him to retire. Here's the wrinkle, because the contract came before the most recent lockout, and he would be traded after said lockout, the recapture penalty if he retires goes to chicago, not whatever team held the contract last. Thoughts? I don't think Hossa goes anywhere. I see Sharp being traded, Bickel being waived, oduya signing with the ducks and possibly Crawford being dealt. Hossa is the best defensive winger in hockey and puts up numbers next to Toews on the top line. When you minus what I deleted from the Hawks this opens up a fair bit of cash. I think Hossa is and has been a bargain for years. The reasons for the Hawks trading hossa are purely cap related. He's a great player.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Jun 19, 2015 15:26:19 GMT
I don't think Hossa goes anywhere. I see Sharp being traded, Bickel being waived, oduya signing with the ducks and possibly Crawford being dealt. Hossa is the best defensive winger in hockey and puts up numbers next to Toews on the top line. When you minus what I deleted from the Hawks this opens up a fair bit of cash. I think Hossa is and has been a bargain for years. It opens up a fair bit of cash...............but also opens up some really important positional spots in the lineup as well. Whoever thinks that the Hawks will be fine must have a lot of faith in what Bowman can bring to the lineup as far as cheap talent to fill those roles. That's the only way he can do it..........will it be enough to pull in another cup or two ? The West is a tough conference .......losing that much tells me no. But I wouldn't bet bet against their core players that they'd still have there. Seabrook is a core player. It all comes down to retaining him
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Post by kelvana33 on Jun 19, 2015 16:29:35 GMT
I wouldn't bet against the Blackhawks with that core. Losing people and replacing them hasn't been an issue to this point, what might get them is that the top 4 on the backend have racked up a ton of miles.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 22:42:20 GMT
Boston, I love Hossa. Would love to have him. But the Bruins are in no position to add him.
Chowchow. I have huge belief in the hawks. Bickel did nothing and is overpaid. Sharp was quiet on the 3rd line and likely nets a dman on a decent salary and a pick. Oduya played amazing but if the hawks can simply add serviceable dmen they will be fine with a very good big 3. Playing kids on def doesn't pay off in the playoffs as we saw the Hawks go with essentially 4. Up front the emergence of Saad and Taroveinen(sp) means Sharp who played 3rd line is replaceable. Crawford is one of the best big game goalies in hockey(10ga in finals. He stole 3 of those wins and a shutout in the clinching game). If chicago is smart they deal him while his stock is high. Go with Darling and maybe attempt to get Talbot. Add someone reliable on def. Look at the center market and took for bargain(maybe hodgson). Chicago seems to be in on Mike Oreilly.
I think the hawks are in a great place. And have cleaned out huge players and still win. Age is a big factor on the side of the hawks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 22:44:51 GMT
I wouldn't bet against the Blackhawks with that core. Losing people and replacing them hasn't been an issue to this point, what might get them is that the top 4 on the backend have racked up a ton of miles. I think Cuminsky will be better next year. They need to add new blood on back end. There are some players available who may take less to go play with a keith or seabrook and potentially win a cup.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jun 19, 2015 23:35:15 GMT
I wouldn't bet against the Blackhawks with that core. Losing people and replacing them hasn't been an issue to this point, what might get them is that the top 4 on the backend have racked up a ton of miles. I think Cuminsky will be better next year. They need to add new blood on back end. There are some players available who may take less to go play with a keith or seabrook and potentially win a cup. That is a fantastic point. A d-man looking to play a year in hopes getting a long term after could do worse than playing with them for a year.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Jun 20, 2015 14:47:38 GMT
Boston, I love Hossa. Would love to have him. But the Bruins are in no position to add him. Chowchow. I have huge belief in the hawks. Bickel did nothing and is overpaid. Sharp was quiet on the 3rd line and likely nets a dman on a decent salary and a pick. Oduya played amazing but if the hawks can simply add serviceable dmen they will be fine with a very good big 3. Playing kids on def doesn't pay off in the playoffs as we saw the Hawks go with essentially 4. Up front the emergence of Saad and Taroveinen(sp) means Sharp who played 3rd line is replaceable. Crawford is one of the best big game goalies in hockey(10ga in finals. He stole 3 of those wins and a shutout in the clinching game). If chicago is smart they deal him while his stock is high. Go with Darling and maybe attempt to get Talbot. Add someone reliable on def. Look at the center market and took for bargain(maybe hodgson). Chicago seems to be in on Mike Oreilly. I think the hawks are in a great place. And have cleaned out huge players and still win. Age is a big factor on the side of the hawks. I don't think seabrook is there for more than a year
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Jun 20, 2015 14:51:25 GMT
Here's my proposal, let's attack another cap strapped team, and snag marian hossa. Move smith (even though I'd like to keep him) and put him with bergeron and hope he keeps up his current level of play, which I think he will, for at least 2-3 years. I think he's a luxury the Hawks will likely not be able to afford moving forward. They could probably keep him for another year, but if his production diminishes, they can't have that 5.23 on the books with younger players taking over his current role. This is especially true if they wish to keep seabrook beyond next year. Additionally, I don't think chicago will be looking for fair value for the player, seeing as how a 36 year old with 6 years left on his contract isn't exactly enticing. However for the Bruins it wouldn't be a 6 year contract, it would be a 2 year deal with 4 option years at a 5.233 cap hit, and $1mm salary. I know Jacobs is a penny pincher, but if hossa is toast after a couple years, I don't think he would object to sending him to providence (because the extension was signed before hossa turned 35, and he doesn't have a no movement clause from what I see, they could get his money off the books in this fashion), which could cause him to retire. Here's the wrinkle, because the contract came before the most recent lockout, and he would be traded after said lockout, the recapture penalty if he retires goes to chicago, not whatever team held the contract last. Thoughts? I don't think Hossa goes anywhere. I see Sharp being traded, Bickel being waived, oduya signing with the ducks and possibly Crawford being dealt. Hossa is the best defensive winger in hockey and puts up numbers next to Toews on the top line. When you minus what I deleted from the Hawks this opens up a fair bit of cash. I think Hossa is and has been a bargain for years. Out of curiosity did you read my post or just stop at "trade for hossa?" The Hawks have reason to move him in the near future
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Post by ominousbkgroundmusic on Jun 21, 2015 21:07:52 GMT
Lucic and Smith to Washington for Tom Wilson, Karl Alzner, Troy Brouwer, Michael Latta, 2nd.
It would give them a lot of RW but Eriksson can shift to the left. Alzner replaces McQuaid and it frees up money for Hamilton. Losing Lucic would suck, but a trade like this would bring back a lot of grit to compliment the skill guys they all ready have.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 20:10:07 GMT
Here's my proposal, let's attack another cap strapped team, and snag marian hossa. Move smith (even though I'd like to keep him) and put him with bergeron and hope he keeps up his current level of play, which I think he will, for at least 2-3 years. I think he's a luxury the Hawks will likely not be able to afford moving forward. They could probably keep him for another year, but if his production diminishes, they can't have that 5.23 on the books with younger players taking over his current role. This is especially true if they wish to keep seabrook beyond next year. Additionally, I don't think chicago will be looking for fair value for the player, seeing as how a 36 year old with 6 years left on his contract isn't exactly enticing. However for the Bruins it wouldn't be a 6 year contract, it would be a 2 year deal with 4 option years at a 5.233 cap hit, and $1mm salary. I know Jacobs is a penny pincher, but if hossa is toast after a couple years, I don't think he would object to sending him to providence (because the extension was signed before hossa turned 35, and he doesn't have a no movement clause from what I see, they could get his money off the books in this fashion), which could cause him to retire. Here's the wrinkle, because the contract came before the most recent lockout, and he would be traded after said lockout, the recapture penalty if he retires goes to chicago, not whatever team held the contract last. Thoughts? The recapture penalties would apply to the Blackhawks AND the Bruins The Blackhawks are charged for the "cap savings" meaning the AAV - actual dollars played / remaining years on his deal after he retires. The Bruins would be charged for their "cap savings" / years left on the deal if he retired. So let's say for our purposes that he was traded this summer to Boston and retired with two years left on his deal: A) The Hawks have paid Hossa 39.5 million saving them 13.25 million. There would be two years left on his deal, so the Hawks get penalized 6.625 million for each year. B) The Bruins would be paying Hossa 13.9 million over five years, when his cap hit would be 21.1 million. Their "cap savings" would be 7.2 million. Assuming Hossa retires with two years left on his deal, those savings get divided by 2. So the Bruins would be dinged 3.6 million for the final two years of Hossa's deal, not nearly as much as Chicago, but enough to squash a potential deal.
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Post by Bslegion on Jun 23, 2015 14:10:02 GMT
I heard some Hab fans suggesting trading Subban for Hedman. why ?
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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 23, 2015 14:24:10 GMT
I heard some Hab fans suggesting trading Subban for Hedman. why ? At first blush i thought, what, no way Montreal would do this. The more i think about it, and the way Hedman played in the SC playoffs, that would be a great deal for the Scabs. It won't happen, but if it did, would Hedman command as big a salary as Slewbban?
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Jun 23, 2015 14:44:21 GMT
Here's my proposal, let's attack another cap strapped team, and snag marian hossa. Move smith (even though I'd like to keep him) and put him with bergeron and hope he keeps up his current level of play, which I think he will, for at least 2-3 years. I think he's a luxury the Hawks will likely not be able to afford moving forward. They could probably keep him for another year, but if his production diminishes, they can't have that 5.23 on the books with younger players taking over his current role. This is especially true if they wish to keep seabrook beyond next year. Additionally, I don't think chicago will be looking for fair value for the player, seeing as how a 36 year old with 6 years left on his contract isn't exactly enticing. However for the Bruins it wouldn't be a 6 year contract, it would be a 2 year deal with 4 option years at a 5.233 cap hit, and $1mm salary. I know Jacobs is a penny pincher, but if hossa is toast after a couple years, I don't think he would object to sending him to providence (because the extension was signed before hossa turned 35, and he doesn't have a no movement clause from what I see, they could get his money off the books in this fashion), which could cause him to retire. Here's the wrinkle, because the contract came before the most recent lockout, and he would be traded after said lockout, the recapture penalty if he retires goes to chicago, not whatever team held the contract last. Thoughts? The recapture penalties would apply to the Blackhawks AND the Bruins The Blackhawks are charged for the "cap savings" meaning the AAV - actual dollars played / remaining years on his deal after he retires. The Bruins would be charged for their "cap savings" / years left on the deal if he retired. So let's say for our purposes that he was traded this summer to Boston and retired with two years left on his deal: A) The Hawks have paid Hossa 39.5 million saving them 13.25 million. There would be two years left on his deal, so the Hawks get penalized 6.625 million for each year. B) The Bruins would be paying Hossa 13.9 million over five years, when his cap hit would be 21.1 million. Their "cap savings" would be 7.2 million. Assuming Hossa retires with two years left on his deal, those savings get divided by 2. So the Bruins would be dinged 3.6 million for the final two years of Hossa's deal, not nearly as much as Chicago, but enough to squash a potential deal. Wow, thanks for this. I thought recapture penalties were solely for the team that signed the player. That does change everything.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jun 23, 2015 15:15:49 GMT
I heard some Hab fans suggesting trading Subban for Hedman. why ? Hedman has turned into a very good defenseman and had a great playoffs. If ever these two were involved in a trade I would have to think someone/thing of significance would be coming along with Hedman as he is not in Subban category yet.
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 23, 2015 15:20:00 GMT
I heard some Hab fans suggesting trading Subban for Hedman. why ? Hedman has turned into a very good defenseman and had a great playoffs. If ever these two were involved in a trade I would have to think someone/thing of significance would be coming along with Hedman as he is not in Subban category yet.
You're right...Hedman is already much better in his own end of the rink.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 23, 2015 15:27:13 GMT
i can see it now, Subban and Movie Max for Hedman, Drouin & a 2nd.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jun 23, 2015 15:47:01 GMT
Hedman has turned into a very good defenseman and had a great playoffs. If ever these two were involved in a trade I would have to think someone/thing of significance would be coming along with Hedman as he is not in Subban category yet.
You're right...Hedman is already much better in his own end of the rink. Not sure about that, Subban has been playing against other teams top lines a lot longer. As good as Hedman was in the playoffs, he had his share of boo-boos. I want to see more of Hedman playing at this level before I put him in the same category as top tier d-men.
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 23, 2015 15:52:47 GMT
You're right...Hedman is already much better in his own end of the rink. Not sure about that, Subban has been playing against other teams top lines a lot longer. As good as Hedman was in the playoffs, he had his share of boo-boos. I want to see more of Hedman playing at this level before I put him in the same category as top tier d-men. Oh I agree he is just coming into his own and is still young so he will only get better, which is quite scary actually.
I know you watch plenty of Habs games so you know Subban is not an elite shutdown guy because he is too erratic and gambles a lot! His bread and butter is the offensive game where he truly is elite. But D-wise he makes more than his share of mistakes. I truly do think Hedman has surpassed him there at this moment in time.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jun 23, 2015 15:56:23 GMT
Not sure about that, Subban has been playing against other teams top lines a lot longer. As good as Hedman was in the playoffs, he had his share of boo-boos. I want to see more of Hedman playing at this level before I put him in the same category as top tier d-men. Oh I agree he is just coming into his own and is still young so he will only get better, which is quite scary actually.
I know you watch plenty of Habs games so you know Subban is not an elite shutdown guy because he is too erratic and gambles a lot! His bread and butter is the offensive game where he truly is elite. But D-wise he makes more than his share of mistakes. I truly do think Hedman has surpassed him there at this moment in time.
Agreed, but I'll take the offense he brings all day. Pair him with a Markov type and I'll live with the mistakes.
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 23, 2015 16:01:25 GMT
Oh I agree he is just coming into his own and is still young so he will only get better, which is quite scary actually.
I know you watch plenty of Habs games so you know Subban is not an elite shutdown guy because he is too erratic and gambles a lot! His bread and butter is the offensive game where he truly is elite. But D-wise he makes more than his share of mistakes. I truly do think Hedman has surpassed him there at this moment in time.
Agreed, but I'll take the offense he brings all day. Pair him with a Markov type and I'll live with the mistakes. Oh I agree, the offense is impressive no doubt.
By the way, I am wondering if Bergevin may be interested in moving Markov if an offer were there. He was none too impressive in the post-season and his best days are long behind him
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