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Post by davinator on Jun 23, 2015 15:33:12 GMT
I will say no, but before camp yes. Most likely candidate to go ? Loui, teams will line up for him, good cap hit, good 2-way player, PK & PP player and a veteran presence. Oilers would love a player like that. Geez. That sounds like a guy I'd want on my roster. Exactly. Why do some want to get rid of a good all around player (with "good cap hit" as 50 said) like Loui? The Bruins aren't in 'blow it up' mode - and shouldn't be.
If there is a blockbuster being forged, then I might be persuaded...but then you would need to get a "good 2-way player, PK & PP player and a veteran presence" back.....so....
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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 23, 2015 15:43:07 GMT
Exactly. Why do some want to get rid of a good all around player (with "good cap hit" as 50 said) like Loui? The Bruins aren't in 'blow it up' mode - and shouldn't be.
If there is a blockbuster being forged, then I might be persuaded...but then you would need to get a "good 2-way player, PK & PP player and a veteran presence" back.....so....
Ok Dave, the question then becomes, who goes. The B's need cap space, teams will take a player if he is deemed a desirable player, Loui would be. Kelly? Maybe but in all likelihood, no. Who would you trade then?
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 23, 2015 15:48:24 GMT
Exactly. No team really relishes picking up another's garbage. They want value. So the question for DS is whether cap space or keeping status quo is more desirable.
It seems that everyone and their dog just assume there is a market for Kelly....but really, if he were so coveted he would have been gone long ago. So other options need to be explored. LE is not a core player and is about to become a UFA but is decent enough to garner some interest and DS would be a fool not to listen for offers
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Post by davinator on Jun 23, 2015 15:49:44 GMT
It sounds like people want to package him up and ship him out early because he is going to 'clean up' next year? He's only going to clean up if he has a monster bounce back year this year...and if that is true, I'd rather him do it in Boston. If he shows little improvement over last year by January, then maybe I would consider him in a package deal.
I personally believe he raises the bar this year and becomes one of the 'need to keep' players. And if that happens, I believe he could be extended before season's end.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 23, 2015 15:55:05 GMT
It sounds like people want to package him up and ship him out early because he is going to 'clean up' next year? He's only going to clean up if he has a monster bounce back year this year...and if that is true, I'd rather him do it in Boston. If he shows little improvement over last year by January, then maybe I would consider him in a package deal. I personally believe he raises the bar this year and becomes one of the 'need to keep' players. And if that happens, I believe he could be extended before season's end. Again Dave, if not Loui, who should go? Marchand? Krejci? The B's need some cap space. Other teams aren't going to take the B's crap.
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 23, 2015 15:57:11 GMT
It sounds like people want to package him up and ship him out early because he is going to 'clean up' next year? He's only going to clean up if he has a monster bounce back year this year...and if that is true, I'd rather him do it in Boston. If he shows little improvement over last year by January, then maybe I would consider him in a package deal. I personally believe he raises the bar this year and becomes one of the 'need to keep' players. And if that happens, I believe he could be extended before season's end. By January his value would be significantly decreased as he would be just a rental for a few months before he hit the market.
I believe even if he has the same year as last he will be getting a substantial $$ increase...like $6mill per for 3-4 years.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 23, 2015 16:01:07 GMT
By January his value would be significantly decreased as he would be just a rental for a few months before he hit the market.
I believe even if he has the same year as last he will be getting a substantial $$ increase...like $6mill per for 3-4 years.
You bet he will. If McQuaid is looking at $3 mil a yr or more and Belesky is going to get a big payday, then an all around good player as Dave has mentioned, will get at least $5.5 or $6 mil all day long.
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 23, 2015 16:05:07 GMT
By January his value would be significantly decreased as he would be just a rental for a few months before he hit the market.
I believe even if he has the same year as last he will be getting a substantial $$ increase...like $6mill per for 3-4 years.
You bet he will. If McQuaid is looking at $3 mil a yr or more and Belesky is going to get a big payday, then an all around good player as Dave has mentioned, will get at least $5.5 or $6 mil all day long. Yep. Belesky is an interesting case...I have the feeling he is going to crash and burn and whatever team snookered into paying him will be stuck with an immoveable contract.
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Post by davinator on Jun 23, 2015 16:14:23 GMT
Exactly. Why do some want to get rid of a good all around player (with "good cap hit" as 50 said) like Loui? The Bruins aren't in 'blow it up' mode - and shouldn't be.
If there is a blockbuster being forged, then I might be persuaded...but then you would need to get a "good 2-way player, PK & PP player and a veteran presence" back.....so....
Ok Dave, the question then becomes, who goes. The B's need cap space, teams will take a player if he is deemed a desirable pl;ayer, Loui would be. Kelly? Maybe but in all likelihood, no. Who would you trade then? Sorry 50, didn't see your post before my last one.
I lost track over the last while regarding how we sit against the cap, but if I am reading generalfanager.com correctly, I see:
Current Cap space - US$6,881,190 (before Salary Cap announcement)
- Campbell, Paille, Soderberg are gone. - Connolly, Spooner, Hamilton are RFA - McQuaid, Bartkowski are UFA
It looks like Smith, Kelly, Bart, Miller could be made available. What again is up with Marc Savard's $$$$ ?
Salary Cap announcement: US$71.4m ( www.secondcityhockey.com/2015/6/23/8831861/nhl-announces-salary-cap-2015-16-season-71-million ) Previous Cap: US$69m Up: US$2.4m
That could pay one player alone...gotta think about this again...
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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 23, 2015 16:20:50 GMT
Yep, Bart is a UFA also. Its a tough one, of course as B's fans we would likely prefer to get rid of Kelly, Smith, Miller, and maybe Seids. I am basing this all on salary, value and age. I don't know as if other teams would be interested in these players at they're current salaries, production etc.
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Post by NAS on Jun 23, 2015 16:49:06 GMT
I think a player will be moved, but have no idea whom.
My guess is it's to send a statement to everyone else, an intentional lateral move.
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 23, 2015 17:00:47 GMT
I think a player will be moved, but have no idea whom. My guess is it's to send a statement to everyone else, an intentional lateral move. I do too and probably not who we expect (the usual suspects like Kelly or Smith)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 17:03:06 GMT
Yep, Bart is a UFA also. Its a tough one, of course as B's fans we would likely prefer to get rid of Kelly, Smith, Miller, and maybe Seids. I am basing this all on salary, value and age. I don't know as if other teams would be interested in these players at they're current salaries, production etc. I say keep Miller. Cheaper and serviceable replacement for Quaider.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 17:04:20 GMT
I would look at trying to package Kelly/Seidenberg for a pick ... it would free up cap space for Mcquaid and Hamilton ...but is Joe Morrow ready ....
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Post by NAS on Jun 23, 2015 17:23:25 GMT
Players with one year left on their deal aren't instantly jettison material.
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Post by chappy28 on Jun 23, 2015 17:26:14 GMT
Yep, Bart is a UFA also. Its a tough one, of course as B's fans we would likely prefer to get rid of Kelly, Smith, Miller, and maybe Seids. I am basing this all on salary, value and age. I don't know as if other teams would be interested in these players at they're current salaries, production etc. I think teams will be interested, but we won't get much because there are issues with all Smith is still young, plays a smart game and has already cracked the 20 goal thresh-hold although he regressed last year. He was having some confidence issues but plenty of teams would take a chance at him. Bart is young and cheap. Teases you with his ability to skate with the puck, only to then dissapoint with boneheaded plays. I remember a time when Boychuck was known for the occasional mental lapse while trying to take somebody's head off, but he kept getting better over time Seids is still a tough as nails, durable, stay at home D-man. He is on the decline, but has a couple good years left and could bring veteran leadership to a young group. I don't consider him a top pairing any more --- good number 4, really good bottom pairing D Kelley would be the toughest sell, but like Seids he holds value as a defensively responsible vet who can bring leadership to a young group who doesn't yet know how to play without the puck So in conclusion --- yes the Bruins can shed cap space by getting rid of these guys, but no they are not going to get us a lottery pick. Mid-late round draft picks, maybe a diamond in the rough or some plug and play 4th line types
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Post by Bslegion on Jun 23, 2015 17:37:39 GMT
Remember that awkward welcoming conversation between Neely and Erikkson on Behind the B .. maybe that's why I stopped watching that "soap"
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Post by badhabitude on Jun 23, 2015 17:40:46 GMT
I think a player will be moved, but have no idea whom. My guess is it's to send a statement to everyone else, an intentional lateral move. Same here, I believe a player will be moved, but no idea who. I believe Sweeney has to put his brand on this team and send a message. I think from everything said they have to acquire a player to fit this new (old) image that they want to present. I'm saying this from all the rhetoric I've heard from the Bruins, they seem to be suggesting all this to me.
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Post by #4 Bobby Orr! GOAT! on Jun 23, 2015 17:51:21 GMT
B's have 12.144M$ (including Sav money) missing 3 fwd 2d and 1g so missing plus 13th fwd and 7th d
1G Subban McIntyre Smith etc will cost ~800K =11.3m$
3f Connolly RFA leaving us Randell-RW 600K Acciari-C-700K Blidh-LW 692K Czarnik-RW-?K Khoko-775K Hargrove Vatrano Hickman Spooner RFA Griffith RFA So 3 RFA with NHL experience will not be the cheapest any 3 others for 2-2.5M + 13th fwd ~ 3M$ =8.3M$
2D Hamilton 5.6M McQ 2.7M both may be low
leaves 0 for 7th D need 6-800K, 0 for raises to 3 RFA forwards, Smith or Kelly gone would free up a mil each for Ham McQ and raise for Connolly
Bos is up against it no matter what, even if DS only uses rookie salaries to keep the team in the cap, to keep both McQ and Ham someone is going to have to be moved or pushed to Prov for season as Kelly or Smith money have been a waste to the cap. LE money is not a cap killer for his value but if he could garner a good pick or top prospect you have to make the move as he will not be signed next year, too bad as he brings a lot to the game.
Only a couple of days left and we will see some changes, hopefully we become stronger, but that will be difficult.
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 23, 2015 17:54:45 GMT
B's have 12.144M$ (including Sav money) missing 3 fwd 2d and 1g so missing plus 13th fwd and 7th d 1G Subban McIntyre Smith etc will cost ~800K =11.3m$ 3f Connolly RFA leaving us Randell-RW 600K Acciari-C-700K Blidh-LW 692K Czarnik-RW-?K Khoko-775K Hargrove Vatrano Hickman Spooner RFA Griffith RFA So 3 RFA with NHL experience will not be the cheapest any 3 others for 2-2.5M + 13th fwd ~ 3M$ =8.3M$ 2D Hamilton 5.6M McQ 2.7M both may be low leaves 0 for 7th D need 6-800K, 0 for raises to 3 RFA forwards, Smith or Kelly gone would free up a mil each for Ham McQ and raise for Connolly Bos is up against it no matter what, even if DS only uses rookie salaries to keep the team in the cap, to keep both McQ and Ham someone is going to have to be moved or pushed to Prov for season as Kelly or Smith money have been a waste to the cap. LE money is not a cap killer for his value but if he could garner a good pick or top prospect you have to make the move as he will not be signed next year, too bad as he brings a lot to the game. Only a couple of days left and we will see some changes, hopefully we become stronger, but that will be difficult. Plus you can't just assume Savard's money is going to be used if past experience has shown us anything
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Post by #4 Bobby Orr! GOAT! on Jun 23, 2015 18:14:51 GMT
Sav's money has to be used they have no choice, they are so against the cap. Unless of course DS cleans house and just goes with rookie salaries for the year and lets McQ, Ham go. Without LTIR money they are at 8.1M with 6 skaters required plus 13th fwd and 7th d, basically 8 players for 8.1m, minus Ham and McQ.
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 23, 2015 18:30:28 GMT
Sav's money has to be used they have no choice, they are so against the cap. Unless of course DS cleans house and just goes with rookie salaries for the year and lets McQ, Ham go. Without LTIR money they are at 8.1M with 6 skaters required plus 13th fwd and 7th d, basically 8 players for 8.1m, minus Ham and McQ. That's what we thought last year too until PC unloaded JB
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 18:40:33 GMT
I don't think Cam Sweeney does anything prior to the draft. He needs to eliminate money from his roster in order to fix this mess.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 18:57:03 GMT
Sav's money has to be used they have no choice, they are so against the cap. Unless of course DS cleans house and just goes with rookie salaries for the year and lets McQ, Ham go. Without LTIR money they are at 8.1M with 6 skaters required plus 13th fwd and 7th d, basically 8 players for 8.1m, minus Ham and McQ. That's what we thought last year too until PC unloaded JB That was in addition to Savvy's money!
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 23, 2015 18:59:49 GMT
That's what we thought last year too until PC unloaded JB That was in addition to Savvy's money! I believe Savard's $$ was not used at the beginning of last season which is one reason PC dealt JB for picks..to get cap room
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