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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 25, 2015 22:44:15 GMT
Again to go back to what was initially said at the firing. "We lost our identity" So, which identity are they referring to? The one they had when they didn't have Louie in the lineup for half the season and won the President Trophy & a play-off round. Or the one where he was in the lineup for most of the season and didn't make the play-offs? Also, what I do find interesting is how the Canucks asked Bieksa to waive his ntc. Wonder if DS is asking for him & Kassian for fat.I threw that deal out at the last trade deadline thread, but not for Fat. I thought Loui and Bart could get it done. Fat for those two seems like a massive letdown.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 2:33:01 GMT
Again to go back to what was initially said at the firing. "We lost our identity" So, which identity are they referring to? The one they had when they didn't have Louie in the lineup for half the season and won the President Trophy & a play-off round. Or the one where he was in the lineup for most of the season and didn't make the play-offs? Also, what I do find interesting is how the Canucks asked Bieksa to waive his ntc. Wonder if DS is asking for him & Kassian for fat.I threw that deal out at the last trade deadline thread, but not for Fat. I thought Loui and Bart could get it done. Fat for those two seems like a massive letdown. That depends on where you see Bieksa I suppose. Honestly I'm not fan of his, but at the same time I do know the the nuks defensive core isn't the same with him out of the lineup. Imo I'm against that move, but I just found it ironic that the story of Lucic being sought after by the Canucks and then they report that they also asked Bieksa to waive his ntc. I don't think the B's have any interest whatsoever in Elder. It would be Bieksa that best fits the mold. Then in order to keep the peace in Bruins land they'd bring Kassian in for cheaper rate in the hope he'd be a sort of Lucic type playing with DK.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 26, 2015 2:36:54 GMT
That depends on where you see Bieksa I suppose. Honestly I'm not fan of his, but at the same time I do know the the nuks defensive core isn't the same with him out of the lineup. Imo I'm against that move, but I just found it ironic that the story of Lucic being sought after by the Canucks and then they report that they also asked Bieksa to waive his ntc. I don't think the B's have any interest whatsoever in Elder. It would be Bieksa that best fits the mold. Then in order to keep the peace in Bruins land they'd bring Kassian in for cheaper rate in the hope he'd be a sort of Lucic type playing with DK. Not a big fan of Bieksa either, but he does play a lot of minutes and PP & PK time. As for Kassian, that would give the B's about 7 RW's, after searching for one all of last year. Maybe Reilly Smith is thrown in or something.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jun 26, 2015 3:50:00 GMT
Soderberg for a 6th doesn't count as a roster player.
Besides, when I think of blonde Swedish dentists, I think of this guy:
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Post by sobchack on Jun 26, 2015 5:32:45 GMT
Again to go back to what was initially said at the firing. "We lost our identity" So, which identity are they referring to? The one they had when they didn't have Louie in the lineup for half the season and won the President Trophy & a play-off round. Or the one where he was in the lineup for most of the season and didn't make the play-offs? Also, what I do find interesting is how the Canucks asked Bieksa to waive his ntc. Wonder if DS is asking for him & Kassian for fat. My thoughts exactly. What is this "identity?" The Bs of 2011? Well, that wouldn't bode well for players who won't or can't play the "blue collar" side of the game….Of course, you can't have a roster of all lunch pail types, but you need the "finesse" guys to contribute effectively in those areas…IF that's what he means.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 6:30:21 GMT
That depends on where you see Bieksa I suppose. Honestly I'm not fan of his, but at the same time I do know the the nuks defensive core isn't the same with him out of the lineup. Imo I'm against that move, but I just found it ironic that the story of Lucic being sought after by the Canucks and then they report that they also asked Bieksa to waive his ntc. I don't think the B's have any interest whatsoever in Elder. It would be Bieksa that best fits the mold. Then in order to keep the peace in Bruins land they'd bring Kassian in for cheaper rate in the hope he'd be a sort of Lucic type playing with DK. Not a big fan of Bieksa either, but he does play a lot of minutes and PP & PK time. As for Kassian, that would give the B's about 7 RW's, after searching for one all of last year. Maybe Reilly Smith is thrown in or something. I said this before. As of right now the only player that is closest to Lucic is Tom Wilson. I would move Reilly Smith and a late rounder to get him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 13:21:20 GMT
Not a big fan of Bieksa either, but he does play a lot of minutes and PP & PK time. As for Kassian, that would give the B's about 7 RW's, after searching for one all of last year. Maybe Reilly Smith is thrown in or something. I said this before. As of right now the only player that is closest to Lucic is Tom Wilson. I would move Reilly Smith and a late rounder to get him. Tom Wilson is future captain material the Capitals absolutely love him. Likely aren't bringing Ward back to get him more minutes. Smith is a scrub. Wilson isn't going anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 13:27:29 GMT
Barry Trotz isn't a fan of taking penalties. I don't think he's as big a fan as you think. Maybe Smith and a pick wouldn't get it done, but don't think for a 2nd that Trotz wouldn't want him moved for a couple of better 2 way players.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 13:38:16 GMT
Barry Trotz isn't a fan of taking penalties. I don't think he's as big a fan as you think. Maybe Smith and a pick wouldn't get it done, but don't think for a 2nd that Trotz wouldn't want him moved for a couple of better 2 way players. Go to monumental network and listen to exit interviews especially Brouwer and Trotz on comments towards Wilson. Wilson was extremely composed in the playoffs. All while destroying guys. Wilson also got lots of ice time on top line. He's not getting dealt. I'd love him as well though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 13:40:00 GMT
Top line during reg season that is. Ward won't be back. Wilson is slotting into 3rd line role.
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 26, 2015 13:51:05 GMT
Barry Trotz isn't a fan of taking penalties. I don't think he's as big a fan as you think. Maybe Smith and a pick wouldn't get it done, but don't think for a 2nd that Trotz wouldn't want him moved for a couple of better 2 way players. Go to monumental network and listen to exit interviews especially Brouwer and Trotz on comments towards Wilson. Wilson was extremely composed in the playoffs. All while destroying guys. Wilson also got lots of ice time on top line. He's not getting dealt. I'd love him as well though. except he has hands of stone.....
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Post by walktheline on Jun 26, 2015 14:47:18 GMT
Go to monumental network and listen to exit interviews especially Brouwer and Trotz on comments towards Wilson. Wilson was extremely composed in the playoffs. All while destroying guys. Wilson also got lots of ice time on top line. He's not getting dealt. I'd love him as well though. except he has hands of stone..... Yeah, granite hands on a Danny Paille level.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jun 26, 2015 14:50:35 GMT
And you would believe incorrectly. After the JB trade, the Bruins chose to call up Spooner and a number of other players - a whack them - so that the roster was as close to $4.007M over the cap as possible when they put Savard on LTIR. This allowed them to maximize the flex. Or, as NAS coined it, Chiarelli playing *ucky*uck. Source? Hey perfesser, use yer r'surchin' skillz....
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 26, 2015 14:54:31 GMT
Source? Hey perfesser, use yer r'surchin' skillz.... lol...but I didn't make the point, you did
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Post by bookboy007 on Jun 26, 2015 14:55:33 GMT
Barry Trotz isn't a fan of taking penalties. I don't think he's as big a fan as you think. Maybe Smith and a pick wouldn't get it done, but don't think for a 2nd that Trotz wouldn't want him moved for a couple of better 2 way players. Go to monumental network and listen to exit interviews especially Brouwer and Trotz on comments towards Wilson. Wilson was extremely composed in the playoffs. All while destroying guys. Wilson also got lots of ice time on top line. He's not getting dealt. I'd love him as well though. I put him forward as a potential draft target a couple of years ago - liked his game back then and like it now. I wonder if he's going to get the same kind of punk label Lucic seems to have attracted from some, though, as his visibility and ice time go up. He's not above being a punk.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jun 26, 2015 14:56:42 GMT
Yeah, so peer review it.
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 26, 2015 14:58:41 GMT
unsourced claims of correctness needs to be sourced of course. I would have no choice but to fail you
That said, you are probably right
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 15:06:14 GMT
Go to monumental network and listen to exit interviews especially Brouwer and Trotz on comments towards Wilson. Wilson was extremely composed in the playoffs. All while destroying guys. Wilson also got lots of ice time on top line. He's not getting dealt. I'd love him as well though. I put him forward as a potential draft target a couple of years ago - liked his game back then and like it now. I wonder if he's going to get the same kind of punk label Lucic seems to have attracted from some, though, as his visibility and ice time go up. He's not above being a punk. Trying to bait I see. Wilson would need to go a long way to get in the punk discusion. I haven't seen him in bar fights, domestics, flex, nad spear or whine to the media. Maybe some day but I doubt it.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jun 26, 2015 15:18:05 GMT
Oh, here, freakin' lazy academics... www.foxsports.com/nhl/boston-bruins-team-transactions?year=2014&type=0I don't know that anyone actually wrote this out explicitly, but you'll see from this list of transactions that the Bruins recalled Ferlin and Subban the same day that they put Savard on LTIR. Two days later, both went back to Providence without suiting up for a game. What mattered, clearly, was having their annual salaries on the books before the start of the season to maximize the benefit of LTIR when they put Savard on the list. Once the season started, they were sent back asap to prevent them from costing the Bruins any real cap space. In other words, what do you mean "probably?"
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Post by bookboy007 on Jun 26, 2015 15:23:14 GMT
I put him forward as a potential draft target a couple of years ago - liked his game back then and like it now. I wonder if he's going to get the same kind of punk label Lucic seems to have attracted from some, though, as his visibility and ice time go up. He's not above being a punk. Trying to bait I see. Wilson would need to go a long way to get in the punk discusion. I haven't seen him in bar fights, domestics, flex, nad spear or whine to the media. Maybe some day but I doubt it. How is that bait? I point out I liked the kid and thought he'd be a good Bruin before he became one of your beloved Caps, but given that he's got a bit of a rep from both Junior and his NHL action for running around a bit, I wondered if that would catch up to him as he moved up the depth chart. It was brought up by others when he was moved up for the first line stint this year. You also didn't hear any talk about Lucic being a punk until he got the kind of visibility that makes idiots decide to throw punches at him in bars or put a target on his back because he's perceived to be a test of you manhood. As Wilson continues to make a name for himself, he'll face those pressures. Lucic also came into the league with a rep as a great leader; there's a reason he was captain of the summit series team, and Memorial Cup winning team etc. In other words, relax. I'm not winding you up about one of your Caps binkies.
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 26, 2015 15:32:23 GMT
Oh, here, freakin' lazy academics... www.foxsports.com/nhl/boston-bruins-team-transactions?year=2014&type=0I don't know that anyone actually wrote this out explicitly, but you'll see from this list of transactions that the Bruins recalled Ferlin and Subban the same day that they put Savard on LTIR. Two days later, both went back to Providence without suiting up for a game. What mattered, clearly, was having their annual salaries on the books before the start of the season to maximize the benefit of LTIR when they put Savard on the list. Once the season started, they were sent back asap to prevent them from costing the Bruins any real cap space. In other words, what do you mean "probably?"
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 26, 2015 15:32:57 GMT
Thanks, now was that so hard? lol
Interesting, I forgot Breen was up for a shot of espresso
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Post by Fletcher on Jun 26, 2015 15:38:51 GMT
I put him forward as a potential draft target a couple of years ago - liked his game back then and like it now. I wonder if he's going to get the same kind of punk label Lucic seems to have attracted from some, though, as his visibility and ice time go up. He's not above being a punk. Trying to bait I see. Wilson would need to go a long way to get in the punk discusion. I haven't seen him in bar fights, domestics, flex, nad spear or whine to the media. Maybe some day but I doubt it. Oh my Gaaaahddd...get back to the cocktail party, M'am, the men's talk is getting too unsavory for you... ...and the Raffi Torres fan club meeting is being called to order. I actually love what I've seen of Tom Wilson, but he's already been fined/cited for diving-embellishing twice this year already, so I wouldn't say the reputation is squeaky clean, even at this point. And, I'm not sure if we'd even hear about it if he was sucker-punched in a bar and then cleared of any wrongdoing, but I don't track things that closely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 16:05:36 GMT
Trying to bait I see. Wilson would need to go a long way to get in the punk discusion. I haven't seen him in bar fights, domestics, flex, nad spear or whine to the media. Maybe some day but I doubt it. Oh my Gaaaahddd...get back to the cocktail party, M'am, the men's talk is getting too unsavory for you... ...and the Raffi Torres fan club meeting is being called to order. I actually love what I've seen of Tom Wilson, but he's already been fined/cited for diving-embellishing twice this year already, so I wouldn't say the reputation is squeaky clean, even at this point. And, I'm not sure if we'd even hear about it if he was sucker-punched in a bar and then cleared of any wrongdoing, but I don't track things that closely. You cry that I'm a broken record yet jump in to validate Books baiting. I was clearing talking about the promise of a good young player on the Capitals that likely won't be traded.
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Post by Fletcher on Jun 26, 2015 16:24:04 GMT
Oh my Gaaaahddd...get back to the cocktail party, M'am, the men's talk is getting too unsavory for you... ...and the Raffi Torres fan club meeting is being called to order. I actually love what I've seen of Tom Wilson, but he's already been fined/cited for diving-embellishing twice this year already, so I wouldn't say the reputation is squeaky clean, even at this point. And, I'm not sure if we'd even hear about it if he was sucker-punched in a bar and then cleared of any wrongdoing, but I don't track things that closely. You cry that I'm a broken record yet jump in to validate Books baiting. I was clearing talking about the promise of a good young player on the Capitals that likely won't be traded. I'm surprised that you really think that was 'baiting' or that my response had anything to do with Bookboy. I think everyone here is praising Tom Wilson, but just not in the captain-of-the-fan club way that you do. I've said the same thing as you -- that I can't imagine why the Caps would be interested in moving a guy like Wilson right now. But then when you perceive that somebody isn't giving one of your favorite guys the same adoration that you do, you respond the way you always do -- by ripping on a Bruins player to try to settle the score. So, I agree with you about Wilson and I didn't weigh in on Book's opinion at all. I just objected to your over-the-top reaction of ripping Lucic like Mrs. Fairweather-sensibilities out of the blue, because your Wilson argument seemed threatened by Book. It just didn't make any sense. No actual hockey fan is still offended by Lucic making a muscle flex gesture from the bench at a player who is chirping him between whistles, two years ago. Quit being such a wimp about that and unbunch those panties. We all like Wilson. I was sitting 3rd row this year in Denver when he hit Dennis Everberg, cleanly but ferociously. It was the loudest, hardest impact I saw all year. Everberg was out for a month. I felt envy that Wilson was on the Caps. I also really doubt a guy like that will keep a squeaky clean reputation around the league, but we'll see. The diving and embellishment calls won't help.
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