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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 24, 2023 14:56:55 GMT
I think the word you're looking for is tailspin.
They are in a tailspin.
The break may help. But it may not.
Getting a centre will not help. You could drop Nate Mackinnon in and it would not help. The team game is crumbly.
Marchand is a terrible captain. All the things that were raised when it was still in question are coming through now. He is a great voice in the room but not the guy to reinforce the team commitment, coaches' messages etc. and he is useless in game as a leader. He's also 0-0-0 at even strength in the last five games when they need him most.
Montgomery has never had this challenge as a coach before. He got his start with a Dallas team in transition and made them better; last year he took a good Bruins team, and steered a stedy course until they hit adversity and then he had no answers. I won't be surprised if he loses the job at the end if the year if they miss the playoffs.
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Post by jmwalters on Dec 24, 2023 15:24:52 GMT
I think the word you're looking for is tailspin. They are in a tailspin. The break may help. But it may not. Getting a centre will not help. You could drop Nate Mackinnon in and it would not help. The team game is crumbly. Marchand is a terrible captain. All the things that were raised when it was still in question are coming through now. He is a great voice in the room but not the guy to reinforce the team commitment, coaches' messages etc. and he is useless in game as a leader. He's also 0-0-0 at even strength in the last five games when they need him most. Montgomery has never had this challenge as a coach before. He got his start with a Dallas team in transition and made them better; last year he took a good Bruins team, and steered a stedy course until they hit adversity and then he had no answers. I won't be surprised if he loses the job at the end if the year if they miss the playoffs. Is it really all on Monty that he currently has two AHLers and a raw rookie on D? Is it his fault that the top two centers (and future Hall of Famers) retired and were replaced with….no one? Is it on Monty that a good chunk of the secondary scoring and complimentary players left and he is stuck with playing the likes of Heinen in the top 6 and a 4th line of more AHLers? Seems more like a management issue
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Post by nitelite on Dec 24, 2023 16:05:14 GMT
I think the word you're looking for is tailspin. They are in a tailspin. The break may help. But it may not. Getting a centre will not help. You could drop Nate Mackinnon in and it would not help. The team game is crumbly. Marchand is a terrible captain. All the things that were raised when it was still in question are coming through now. He is a great voice in the room but not the guy to reinforce the team commitment, coaches' messages etc. and he is useless in game as a leader. He's also 0-0-0 at even strength in the last five games when they need him most. Montgomery has never had this challenge as a coach before. He got his start with a Dallas team in transition and made them better; last year he took a good Bruins team, and steered a stedy course until they hit adversity and then he had no answers. I won't be surprised if he loses the job at the end if the year if they miss the playoffs. Is it really all on Monty that he currently has two AHLers and a raw rookie on D? Is it his fault that the top two centers (and future Hall of Famers) retired and were replaced with….no one? Is it on Monty that a good chunk of the secondary scoring and complimentary players left and he is stuck with playing the likes of Heinen in the top 6 and a 4th line of more AHLers? Seems more like a management issue I don't fault management at all tbh! They went all in last year! Assembled a great team, but they ran up against a team that was built for playoff hockey better than they were. The cap issue refrained them from fixing their issue at center. They made plays for Lindholm & poked at Shiefelle. They looked fine on d & their goalies are both all-star caliber. The issue I believe is the system that Monty is using & as Marchand said earlier this season. "Not something we're used to!" The only issue I have is that Donnie didn't get rid of Jake & Grizz while they had far better value. Yea, hindsight is 20/20, but I said at the beginning of the season. I didn't like their game at all. They've been hugely outplayed the majority of the games they've played so far. This team needs to be better all over the ice. I know something needs to be done now, but who is Donnie going to trade to get an immediate impactful players to help right the ship? It's not just the center position that's the issue. They have no snarl, no bite & far too many players that are passengers, or just not good enough either anymore, or never will be. I'm sorry but a coach who's putting Danten Heinen out there in your top 6 isn't a good coach! I don't care how well he may look a couple times a game. Fredric is the newer version of JDB! Far too many nights he's completely invisible! Grizz & Lindholm are a complete mess out there most nights. They're bringing NOTHING to the game. Yea, right now this team playing at a .550 pace is a pipe dream! They WON'T even make the playoffs at this rate. Sorry so many in here had blinders on.
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Post by Lord Markwart on Dec 24, 2023 16:08:24 GMT
I think the word you're looking for is tailspin. They are in a tailspin. The break may help. But it may not. Getting a centre will not help. You could drop Nate Mackinnon in and it would not help. The team game is crumbly. Marchand is a terrible captain. All the things that were raised when it was still in question are coming through now. He is a great voice in the room but not the guy to reinforce the team commitment, coaches' messages etc. and he is useless in game as a leader. He's also 0-0-0 at even strength in the last five games when they need him most. Montgomery has never had this challenge as a coach before. He got his start with a Dallas team in transition and made them better; last year he took a good Bruins team, and steered a stedy course until they hit adversity and then he had no answers. I won't be surprised if he loses the job at the end if the year if they miss the playoffs. You could drop Nate Mackinnon in and it would not help. Disagree here. All centers would slot down 1 and the Bruins would have a new perfection line that would tilt the ice. If you recall...when PB was here, that line would consistently spend whole shifts in the Ozone playing globetrotters. This makes a huge difference for a team's confidence, and Zacha does not win enough puck battles along the walls and is not as smart/strong as PB positional wise to make this happen. I felt like this was happening against them a bit with the Kaprizov line as that line dominated us. A legit center would make a major difference and this has been masked by our two all-world goaltenders up until this skid.
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Post by islamorada on Dec 24, 2023 16:20:56 GMT
I think the word you're looking for is tailspin. They are in a tailspin. The break may help. But it may not. Getting a centre will not help. You could drop Nate Mackinnon in and it would not help. The team game is crumbly. Marchand is a terrible captain. All the things that were raised when it was still in question are coming through now. He is a great voice in the room but not the guy to reinforce the team commitment, coaches' messages etc. and he is useless in game as a leader. He's also 0-0-0 at even strength in the last five games when they need him most. Montgomery has never had this challenge as a coach before. He got his start with a Dallas team in transition and made them better; last year he took a good Bruins team, and steered a stedy course until they hit adversity and then he had no answers. I won't be surprised if he loses the job at the end if the year if they miss the playoffs. There is something that has been on my mind lately. Firstly is the active defense initiative. The Bs have the good to top notch defensemen. After the second pairing it is a problem ie. giving Mitchell multiple chances to fail is becoming redundant. Weatheredspoon is fading in effectiveness as well. The others on the team are in a funk. I read the Rangers do their neutral zone trap, and the Bs do not do well with a strong forecheck. Florida in the playoffs and Minnesota recently are the evidence in my eyes. During the forecheck the whole team is down low. The goalies, until I am corrected, are playing out at the edge of the crease. So where is the active defense. A couple times Geekie did break free last night. In addition, Pasta does pretty well with Marchand at creating chances beyond the forecheck and trap. So where is the coach on the needed modification? I am not knowledgeable enough to fathom it out. This usually happens when a coach is not adapting to the players skill set. I agree if the trend continues he will be a goner within the year. This is especially true if they do not make the playoffs. (Nitemare 38 Causeway Street can be introduced here, but I knew like many it was a transition year). I say next year because of the better Cap situation will produce more scoring at first. Lastly, I am tired of Heinen being in the top six. Zacha and Coyle have dropped off on FO efficiency, and quite frankly are predictable. The fascination with Steen and Lauko is beyond me (Lauko is still a favorite even though he cannot score). There are young players in Providence that need to be shuffled into the lineup. On defense too. Players coach, seemingly not. Adaptive coach, certainly not. Final view, Bergeron managed the team last year.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Dec 24, 2023 16:56:12 GMT
I think the word you're looking for is tailspin. They are in a tailspin. The break may help. But it may not. Getting a centre will not help. You could drop Nate Mackinnon in and it would not help. The team game is crumbly. Marchand is a terrible captain. All the things that were raised when it was still in question are coming through now. He is a great voice in the room but not the guy to reinforce the team commitment, coaches' messages etc. and he is useless in game as a leader. He's also 0-0-0 at even strength in the last five games when they need him most. Montgomery has never had this challenge as a coach before. He got his start with a Dallas team in transition and made them better; last year he took a good Bruins team, and steered a stedy course until they hit adversity and then he had no answers. I won't be surprised if he loses the job at the end if the year if they miss the playoffs. Nate MacKinnon wouldn’t help?…. What are you putting in your eggnog…. LoL! Happy holidays BB….
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 24, 2023 17:03:45 GMT
I think the word you're looking for is tailspin. They are in a tailspin. The break may help. But it may not. Getting a centre will not help. You could drop Nate Mackinnon in and it would not help. The team game is crumbly. Marchand is a terrible captain. All the things that were raised when it was still in question are coming through now. He is a great voice in the room but not the guy to reinforce the team commitment, coaches' messages etc. and he is useless in game as a leader. He's also 0-0-0 at even strength in the last five games when they need him most. Montgomery has never had this challenge as a coach before. He got his start with a Dallas team in transition and made them better; last year he took a good Bruins team, and steered a stedy course until they hit adversity and then he had no answers. I won't be surprised if he loses the job at the end if the year if they miss the playoffs. You could drop Nate Mackinnon in and it would not help. Disagree here. All centers would slot down 1 and the Bruins would have a new perfection line that would tilt the ice. If you recall...when PB was here, that line would consistently spend whole shifts in the Ozone playing globetrotters. This makes a huge difference for a team's confidence, and Zacha does not win enough puck battles along the walls and is not as smart/strong as PB positional wise to make this happen. I felt like this was happening against them a bit with the Kaprizov line as that line dominated us. A legit center would make a major difference and this has been masked by our two all-world goaltenders up until this skid. I don't think it would help in the same way that Devon Toews had to chew tha Avs a new one after a loss to the Hawks. They are not playing Bruins hockey. They are not managing the puck. They are not supporting the puck. They are not aggressive on the forecheck or in puck retrieval to get second chance opportunities. The things that are wrong with their game are not going to be solved with a high scoring C. They were playing Bruins hockey and it looked like they didn't need a C as badly as we thought. Then the injuries hit and slowly you see more and more guys freelancing. Not making the smart play. I don't care who they acquire if they keep playing like this. They need to recommit to Bruins hockey and that's why I blame the coach and the captain becauae day to day, the commitment to play that way has to start with them.
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Post by MrHulot on Dec 24, 2023 17:05:00 GMT
Team is fucked due to the center position. They are playing wildly erratic mostly due to guys having to try to step up and mixing up combinations. Geekie has been their most consistent forward but is better as a Jam guy on lines 3 or 4. Coyle is a high end 3rd line center that gave the Bruins a huge advantage when Poitras and Zacha were pivots 1 and 2. Poitras had the most creativity and vision (and could draw penalties) but is now gone. I do get this move as Bruins are trying to win the long game but his absence is being felt. The trickle down effect has another soft guy playing high in the lineup in Heinen. He is serviceable but a far cry from the grit the Bruins opened the season with. I'd rather have him as a press box option as he will be shit when the going gets tough. Zacha would be better as a number 2 center but is forced to play #1 role this year. The thing I don't understand is why Jake was not moved for a center. I guess losing Hall forced their hand to keep him as a speedy option but you always need to prioritize centers over wingers. It looks worse now since his value has plummeted. The way Zacha plays in their own end and refuses to hit anybody makes me think he's not even a #5 center.
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Post by islamorada on Dec 24, 2023 17:11:51 GMT
Team is fucked due to the center position. They are playing wildly erratic mostly due to guys having to try to step up and mixing up combinations. Geekie has been their most consistent forward but is better as a Jam guy on lines 3 or 4. Coyle is a high end 3rd line center that gave the Bruins a huge advantage when Poitras and Zacha were pivots 1 and 2. Poitras had the most creativity and vision (and could draw penalties) but is now gone. I do get this move as Bruins are trying to win the long game but his absence is being felt. The trickle down effect has another soft guy playing high in the lineup in Heinen. He is serviceable but a far cry from the grit the Bruins opened the season with. I'd rather have him as a press box option as he will be shit when the going gets tough. Zacha would be better as a number 2 center but is forced to play #1 role this year. The thing I don't understand is why Jake was not moved for a center. I guess losing Hall forced their hand to keep him as a speedy option but you always need to prioritize centers over wingers. It looks worse now since his value has plummeted. The way Zacha plays in their own end and refuses to hit anybody makes me think he's not even a #5 center.Zacha would be a sufficient LW. Switching the lines around by Monty is just not going well for any of the lines. Debrusk is playing like he does not want to get hurt. Me guess is the Bs offered him a contract a while back not to his liking, and he is in a full pouting mode. He can blame it the switching of the lines, I guess.
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Post by MrHulot on Dec 24, 2023 17:21:04 GMT
I think the word you're looking for is tailspin. They are in a tailspin. The break may help. But it may not. Getting a centre will not help. You could drop Nate Mackinnon in and it would not help. The team game is crumbly. Marchand is a terrible captain. All the things that were raised when it was still in question are coming through now. He is a great voice in the room but not the guy to reinforce the team commitment, coaches' messages etc. and he is useless in game as a leader. He's also 0-0-0 at even strength in the last five games when they need him most. Montgomery has never had this challenge as a coach before. He got his start with a Dallas team in transition and made them better; last year he took a good Bruins team, and steered a stedy course until they hit adversity and then he had no answers. I won't be surprised if he loses the job at the end if the year if they miss the playoffs. Absolutely agree. I had a bad feeling when Marchand went back to his old tricks with his stupid move on Kaprisov just before the end of period one. Childish, selfish, bonehead move. Not what I expect from a team captain. That sent a bad signal to the rest of the team, consciously or subconsciously, and from the second period on, the team's overall performance was abysmal.
Montgomery likes to play softies like his old pal Heinen and give them way too much ice time, while he sits JvR or Lohrei. Go figure.
Probably way too much of a players' coach. He should have kicked Ullmark out of the crease in the playoffs when it was obvious that something was wrong. He's the coach, he makes those decisions. Not Ullmark, not Bergeron, not Marchand.
Nobody wanted to see Tortorella behind the Bruins bench. But now the Flyers are playing much better than anybody expected. They may not have two top-notch goalies, but that team fought back from being 1-5 down and almost won that game.
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Post by MrHulot on Dec 24, 2023 17:29:33 GMT
The way Zacha plays in their own end and refuses to hit anybody makes me think he's not even a #5 center. Zacha would be a sufficient LW. Switching the lines around by Monty is just not going well for any of the lines. Debrusk is playing like he does not want to get hurt. Me guess is the Bs offered him a contract a while back not to his liking, and he is in a full pouting mode. He can blame it the switching of the lines, I guess. If that's true, they should gang up on the pussy in the locker room and see that he really gets hurt.
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Post by fifthline on Dec 24, 2023 17:31:22 GMT
Oh, so a the cognoscenti is a over here a; I’ll just a read and a learn a from such an astute a bunch a, eh.
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Post by dannycater on Dec 24, 2023 17:43:15 GMT
What is this fire Monty (won Coach of the Year), fire Sweeney (probably should be a 3-time GM of the Year)...it's all bullshit...they have inferior overall players in the 18 right now...not all of them, but many of them are not in roles they are either used to or built for. Part of that is steering with the Cap, part of it is having to deal with the retirements of 46,37, part of it is not finding a replacement for Hall (who wasn't all that when you look at the scoring side of things)/Bertuzzi (who is back to being a disappointment in Toront)..but this is why Root Beer, Hampussy are 2 of my scapegoats--18 points from 2 guys who should have not only double that combined, but should have 15 goals between them...not 5. These 2 were world-beaters last year, DeBrusk at his height took over some games on his back, and Lindholm as we know for about 55 games was the leading candidate for a Norris Trophy...these 2 guys are as big an albatross as any on the team. Ripping on Heinen (he made the pass on the Geekie goal and has been mostly pretty darn good if you look at expectations and a guy who is super cheap) is silly. But Zacha (who was very good during the first part of season), Marchand play has been spotty of late and now not even getting enough out of JVR or Freddy--two great passes to set up Geekie for breakaways--offensively. The team lacks offense and the defensemen as a whole are as bad as it gets in that department. I disagree with book that a top center wouldn't help, it would immensely and it would take pressure off of say a Geekie/Zacha to be able to play maybe at wings. Coyle has been terrific to me all year and raised his game, but very few forwards other than Pasta have. The goalies can only do so much too. McAvoy's play has dropped immensely too, minus-14 or something like, which is matching the way the team is losing. You can't have 2 top defensemen turn into sub-par, and that's happened with 73/27...73 will be fine if he isn't concussed, 27 is a disaster--a 2nd or 3rd pairing guy who is no better than Carlo on offense
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Post by mdsizzle on Dec 24, 2023 18:11:14 GMT
I think the word you're looking for is tailspin. They are in a tailspin. The break may help. But it may not. Getting a centre will not help. You could drop Nate Mackinnon in and it would not help. The team game is crumbly. Marchand is a terrible captain. All the things that were raised when it was still in question are coming through now. He is a great voice in the room but not the guy to reinforce the team commitment, coaches' messages etc. and he is useless in game as a leader. He's also 0-0-0 at even strength in the last five games when they need him most. Montgomery has never had this challenge as a coach before. He got his start with a Dallas team in transition and made them better; last year he took a good Bruins team, and steered a stedy course until they hit adversity and then he had no answers. I won't be surprised if he loses the job at the end if the year if they miss the playoffs. I'm not sure about your marchy at captain take. Granted, he may not be the epitome of what a captain is, but I think he's still the best man for the job. I would ABSOLUTELY rather have Marchy be Marchy with a C stuck to him then have Marchy try to be Bergy.
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Post by The OC on Dec 24, 2023 18:12:01 GMT
I think the word you're looking for is tailspin. They are in a tailspin. The break may help. But it may not. Getting a centre will not help. You could drop Nate Mackinnon in and it would not help. The team game is crumbly. Marchand is a terrible captain. All the things that were raised when it was still in question are coming through now. He is a great voice in the room but not the guy to reinforce the team commitment, coaches' messages etc. and he is useless in game as a leader. He's also 0-0-0 at even strength in the last five games when they need him most. Montgomery has never had this challenge as a coach before. He got his start with a Dallas team in transition and made them better; last year he took a good Bruins team, and steered a stedy course until they hit adversity and then he had no answers. I won't be surprised if he loses the job at the end if the year if they miss the playoffs. Other than them being in a tailspin, most of this is silly. Obviously McKinnon would help. Probably make them the best team in the League. Monty does need to earn his Christmas bonus and fix it.
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Post by mdsizzle on Dec 24, 2023 18:20:58 GMT
I think the word you're looking for is tailspin. They are in a tailspin. The break may help. But it may not. Getting a centre will not help. You could drop Nate Mackinnon in and it would not help. The team game is crumbly. Marchand is a terrible captain. All the things that were raised when it was still in question are coming through now. He is a great voice in the room but not the guy to reinforce the team commitment, coaches' messages etc. and he is useless in game as a leader. He's also 0-0-0 at even strength in the last five games when they need him most. Montgomery has never had this challenge as a coach before. He got his start with a Dallas team in transition and made them better; last year he took a good Bruins team, and steered a stedy course until they hit adversity and then he had no answers. I won't be surprised if he loses the job at the end if the year if they miss the playoffs. Is it really all on Monty that he currently has two AHLers and a raw rookie on D? Is it his fault that the top two centers (and future Hall of Famers) retired and were replaced with….no one? Is it on Monty that a good chunk of the secondary scoring and complimentary players left and he is stuck with playing the likes of Heinen in the top 6 and a 4th line of more AHLers? Seems more like a management issue With what's going on now.. I put the blame at 99% DS and 1% Monty... Only because I don't want to seem like I have an agenda and put all 100% on DS. This is the total opposite of last year though. I thought DS did a great job of personnel and then Monty chased the meaningless regular season glory and completely fucked up the post season.... And then DS undid everything good he did and we less draft picks as a consolation prize... Teamwork.... And Jenny lit another stogie on his southie condo balcony because the regular season is more important than the playoffs.
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Post by mdsizzle on Dec 24, 2023 19:04:07 GMT
I think the word you're looking for is tailspin. They are in a tailspin. The break may help. But it may not. Getting a centre will not help. You could drop Nate Mackinnon in and it would not help. The team game is crumbly. Marchand is a terrible captain. All the things that were raised when it was still in question are coming through now. He is a great voice in the room but not the guy to reinforce the team commitment, coaches' messages etc. and he is useless in game as a leader. He's also 0-0-0 at even strength in the last five games when they need him most. Montgomery has never had this challenge as a coach before. He got his start with a Dallas team in transition and made them better; last year he took a good Bruins team, and steered a stedy course until they hit adversity and then he had no answers. I won't be surprised if he loses the job at the end if the year if they miss the playoffs. Nate MacKinnon wouldn’t help?…. What are you putting in your eggnog…. LoL! Happy holidays BB…. Imagine a line of nate, pasta and marchy?? BLIH 2.0! Auto cup? Ditch some dead weight and bring in a few players with heart and it's a legit debate. OH, and don't be stupid with your post season goalies of course...
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Post by dannycater on Dec 24, 2023 19:29:53 GMT
Lot of people jumping ship in here....good, jump off...Go B's!
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Post by MrHulot on Dec 24, 2023 20:17:32 GMT
You could drop Nate Mackinnon in and it would not help. Disagree here. All centers would slot down 1 and the Bruins would have a new perfection line that would tilt the ice. If you recall...when PB was here, that line would consistently spend whole shifts in the Ozone playing globetrotters. This makes a huge difference for a team's confidence, and Zacha does not win enough puck battles along the walls and is not as smart/strong as PB positional wise to make this happen. I felt like this was happening against them a bit with the Kaprizov line as that line dominated us. A legit center would make a major difference and this has been masked by our two all-world goaltenders up until this skid. I don't think it would help in the same way that Devon Toews had to chew tha Avs a new one after a loss to the Hawks. They are not playing Bruins hockey. They are not managing the puck. They are not supporting the puck. They are not aggressive on the forecheck or in puck retrieval to get second chance opportunities. The things that are wrong with their game are not going to be solved with a high scoring C. They were playing Bruins hockey and it looked like they didn't need a C as badly as we thought. Then the injuries hit and slowly you see more and more guys freelancing. Not making the smart play. I don't care who they acquire if they keep playing like this. They need to recommit to Bruins hockey and that's why I blame the coach and the captain becauae day to day, the commitment to play that way has to start with them. Again, I absolutely agree. Marchand himself was one of the worst freelancers when they hit the first skid in late November.
Virtually nobody tried to screen Fleury last night. Coyle, JvR, Geekie, maybe Frederic, that's it. And some very rare bright spots when the fourth line was on the ice. Pasta worked his butt off having to play with Vanilla 1.0 & 2.0. I don't care if Heino had an assist and was +1, his style of hockey is not Bruins hockey, and there are already too many tap dancers like him on the team.
Five Wild skaters went after Geekie behind the Minny net in one situation, again none of Geekie's teammates seemed to bother. That's "Bruins hockey" under Jim Montgomery, at least since mid- to late November this season (and in the playoffs last spring).
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Post by nitelite on Dec 24, 2023 21:14:08 GMT
Lot of people jumping ship in here....good, jump off...Go B's! Just because you refuse to see the weakness of this team & everyone else is starting to doesn't mean we're jumping off Danny! Just means that we think there's a ton of things that need to be fixed & system & style of play is definitely one of them! Which falls on the coach! It is far too easy to defend what the Bruins are trying to bring. I honestly think Monty may have lost the room when he & Marchy had words earlier this season. The players are gonna side with the guy who's actually helped a team win something, especially when he's a Captain who's been with the team longer than anyone else. Maybe Marchy will want out if Monty doesn't change the way the team plays. He loved Butch's way! He went along with Montys way last year because #37 asked him too. There's a massive discombobulation in this team & I think it does start with the coach Danny! Starting with who's playing with who, who's in the lineup, who sits, who dresses! I haven't seen a Bruins team this out of sync since 2007!
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Post by dannycater on Dec 24, 2023 21:45:58 GMT
Lot of people jumping ship in here....good, jump off...Go B's! Just because you refuse to see the weakness of this team & everyone else is starting to doesn't mean we're jumping off Danny! Just means that we think there's a ton of things that need to be fixed & system & style of play is definitely one of them! Which falls on the coach! It is far too easy to defend what the Bruins are trying to bring. I honestly think Monty may have lost the room when he & Marchy had words earlier this season. The players are gonna side with the guy who's actually helped a team win something, especially when he's a Captain who's been with the team longer than anyone else. Maybe Marchy will want out if Monty doesn't change the way the team plays. He loved Butch's way! He went along with Montys way last year because #37 asked him too. There's a massive discombobulation in this team & I think it does start with the coach Danny! Starting with who's playing with who, who's in the lineup, who sits, who dresses! I haven't seen a Bruins team this out of sync since 2007! Kind of hard to criticize a head coach who has had pretty darn great reg. season success and even after a slump team is 19-7-6...I addressed the what they need to fix....it's not the coach...he gave a pep talk to Lauko that got him going, he asked Shattenkirk to do more--he immediately activated offensively...and while I don't always agree with his lines (I had similar issue with stubborness of Cassidy until the day he finally, mercifully broke up Perfection Line and team blasted in January of his final season), I think he is a good coach. I have nothing to tell me he is not...Sweeney didn't replace guys, he put in some placeholders and assorted low budget guys (who have actually been very good), but Sweeney has done great things with this team...the playoff success or lack thereof points back to choking in 2019, and choking in 2013...two times where the Cup was that close to be had. Still, you have to make the playoffs and Monty/Sweeney don't give me any reason to feel otherwise as far as that is concerned. The team is playoff makeable. I'm not rose-colored, I said there are 3 players that all but need to go based on their lack of helping the squad be better--Lindholm, DeBrusk, Gryz--but both 27 and 74 did well in the past and were big parts of the B's even last year....there fall-off is monumental bad and so is the sporadic play of the Concussed #1 D--McAvoy--who gets hit in the head almost every game. He is going to be a concern going further. Still, you can bring up Merk, you can let Lohrei play more, you can hope the goalies keep up their stellar play and bring in offense. But firing Sweeney/Monty isn't going to miraculously turn the current team into something you or others are hoping for. They need a few changes and that we all can agree on--but it's personnel, not coaching and GM has been saddled by a Cap that prevented him from blindly signing a higher-priced free agent. It's 20-20 hindsight they fucked up in not moving 74 at his highest sell, but I think when B's signed Lindholm long term, they had no idea he would turn into these scared, pussy who is now a weak version of Carlo.
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Post by stevegm on Dec 24, 2023 23:22:02 GMT
Just because you refuse to see the weakness of this team & everyone else is starting to doesn't mean we're jumping off Danny! Just means that we think there's a ton of things that need to be fixed & system & style of play is definitely one of them! Which falls on the coach! It is far too easy to defend what the Bruins are trying to bring. I honestly think Monty may have lost the room when he & Marchy had words earlier this season. The players are gonna side with the guy who's actually helped a team win something, especially when he's a Captain who's been with the team longer than anyone else. Maybe Marchy will want out if Monty doesn't change the way the team plays. He loved Butch's way! He went along with Montys way last year because #37 asked him too. There's a massive discombobulation in this team & I think it does start with the coach Danny! Starting with who's playing with who, who's in the lineup, who sits, who dresses! I haven't seen a Bruins team this out of sync since 2007! Kind of hard to criticize a head coach who has had pretty darn great reg. season success and even after a slump team is 19-7-6...I addressed the what they need to fix....it's not the coach...he gave a pep talk to Lauko that got him going, he asked Shattenkirk to do more--he immediately activated offensively...and while I don't always agree with his lines (I had similar issue with stubborness of Cassidy until the day he finally, mercifully broke up Perfection Line and team blasted in January of his final season), I think he is a good coach. I have nothing to tell me he is not...Sweeney didn't replace guys, he put in some placeholders and assorted low budget guys (who have actually been very good), but Sweeney has done great things with this team...the playoff success or lack thereof points back to choking in 2019, and choking in 2013...two times where the Cup was that close to be had. Still, you have to make the playoffs and Monty/Sweeney don't give me any reason to feel otherwise as far as that is concerned. The team is playoff makeable. I'm not rose-colored, I said there are 3 players that all but need to go based on their lack of helping the squad be better--Lindholm, DeBrusk, Gryz--but both 27 and 74 did well in the past and were big parts of the B's even last year....there fall-off is monumental bad and so is the sporadic play of the Concussed #1 D--McAvoy--who gets hit in the head almost every game. He is going to be a concern going further. Still, you can bring up Merk, you can let Lohrei play more, you can hope the goalies keep up their stellar play and bring in offense. But firing Sweeney/Monty isn't going to miraculously turn the current team into something you or others are hoping for. They need a few changes and that we all can agree on--but it's personnel, not coaching and GM has been saddled by a Cap that prevented him from blindly signing a higher-priced free agent. It's 20-20 hindsight they fucked up in not moving 74 at his highest sell, but I think when B's signed Lindholm long term, they had no idea he would turn into these scared, pussy who is now a weak version of Carlo. I've been part of the group saying they aren't what their record says it is. I think books message and the Nate inference is simply exaggerating a point. my interpretation is, "better players aren't the issue right now". It's simply playing and delivering to a mid pack level, which imo, they are plenty capable of. That's pretty much what you have a coach for. This team is better'n 4 wins out of the last 10. They're just not capable of sustaining best in the league status, or anywhere near it, in their current form. Merry Christmas everyone!
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Post by 50belowzero on Dec 24, 2023 23:52:41 GMT
Lot of people jumping ship in here....good, jump off...Go B's! Let em' jump Danny, but be ready with the life preservers when they want back on, you can only load one at a time, haha!!
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Post by 50belowzero on Dec 25, 2023 0:04:32 GMT
Getting a centre will not help. You could drop Nate Mackinnon in and it would not help.
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Post by MrHulot on Dec 25, 2023 0:11:44 GMT
Just because you refuse to see the weakness of this team & everyone else is starting to doesn't mean we're jumping off Danny! Just means that we think there's a ton of things that need to be fixed & system & style of play is definitely one of them! Which falls on the coach! It is far too easy to defend what the Bruins are trying to bring. I honestly think Monty may have lost the room when he & Marchy had words earlier this season. The players are gonna side with the guy who's actually helped a team win something, especially when he's a Captain who's been with the team longer than anyone else. Maybe Marchy will want out if Monty doesn't change the way the team plays. He loved Butch's way! He went along with Montys way last year because #37 asked him too. There's a massive discombobulation in this team & I think it does start with the coach Danny! Starting with who's playing with who, who's in the lineup, who sits, who dresses! I haven't seen a Bruins team this out of sync since 2007! Kind of hard to criticize a head coach who has had pretty darn great reg. season success and even after a slump team is 19-7-6...I addressed the what they need to fix....it's not the coach...he gave a pep talk to Lauko that got him going, he asked Shattenkirk to do more--he immediately activated offensively...and while I don't always agree with his lines (I had similar issue with stubborness of Cassidy until the day he finally, mercifully broke up Perfection Line and team blasted in January of his final season), I think he is a good coach. I have nothing to tell me he is not...Sweeney didn't replace guys, he put in some placeholders and assorted low budget guys (who have actually been very good), but Sweeney has done great things with this team...the playoff success or lack thereof points back to choking in 2019, and choking in 2013...two times where the Cup was that close to be had. Still, you have to make the playoffs and Monty/Sweeney don't give me any reason to feel otherwise as far as that is concerned. The team is playoff makeable. I'm not rose-colored, I said there are 3 players that all but need to go based on their lack of helping the squad be better--Lindholm, DeBrusk, Gryz--but both 27 and 74 did well in the past and were big parts of the B's even last year....there fall-off is monumental bad and so is the sporadic play of the Concussed #1 D--McAvoy--who gets hit in the head almost every game. He is going to be a concern going further. Still, you can bring up Merk, you can let Lohrei play more, you can hope the goalies keep up their stellar play and bring in offense. But firing Sweeney/Monty isn't going to miraculously turn the current team into something you or others are hoping for. They need a few changes and that we all can agree on--but it's personnel, not coaching and GM has been saddled by a Cap that prevented him from blindly signing a higher-priced free agent. It's 20-20 hindsight they fucked up in not moving 74 at his highest sell, but I think when B's signed Lindholm long term, they had no idea he would turn into these scared, pussy who is now a weak version of Carlo. Firing Montgomery right now is something a younger version of Lou Lamoriello might do, but not the Bruins. Like you said, the team is 19-7-6. So Dr. Evil will get his chance to fix what's wrong. I agree however with Book that Montgomery failed last spring when they hit adversity. And nite is right, the team is totally out of sync.
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