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Post by dannycater on Jan 17, 2024 21:20:39 GMT
You know what, with the way Berts playing for the Lerfs and the way TO is playing there could be a possibility that the B's can pick him up at the trade deadline for cheap! That would be worth a laugh in itself, haha! THAT would be hilarious! It would help the team, he has a relationship with B's...he established it in a short time with some of the current players. I think he privately knows he (and his agent) fucked up a good situation.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 17, 2024 22:58:38 GMT
He seemed to for a few games in the playoffs but what you see now is more the norm, he's an overpaid dud. He didn't "seem" to... He did... And at the most important time of the year. I'll take that. The point is, I doubt you'd get it.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 17, 2024 23:00:55 GMT
It's a myth that refs put away their whistle in the playoffs. JVR is also putting up a pile of ESP's too, third on the team in assists. Every line he's played on has thrived. If 2g & 11a equals a pile, then you are indeed correct. Ya know what else also comes in piles? 💩 2-16-18, not 2-11-13. That's 3 back of Marchand.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jan 18, 2024 1:06:26 GMT
If 2g & 11a equals a pile, then you are indeed correct. Ya know what else also comes in piles? 💩 2-16-18, not 2-11-13. That's 3 back of Marchand. Is ESP not even strength points?
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Post by mdsizzle on Jan 18, 2024 1:10:07 GMT
He didn't "seem" to... He did... And at the most important time of the year. I'll take that. The point is, I doubt you'd get it. Why?
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 18, 2024 1:36:34 GMT
The point is, I doubt you'd get it. Why? 3 shirts, white - light starch one sweater - blue 2 mens trousers, flat front 7 Bruins T-shirts 1 Bruins Sweater
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Post by mdsizzle on Jan 18, 2024 2:02:28 GMT
3 shirts, white - light starch one sweater - blue 2 mens trousers, flat front 7 Bruins T-shirts 1 Bruins Sweater The most convincing argument you've made to date! I stand corrected!
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 18, 2024 2:35:08 GMT
The point is, I doubt you'd get it. Why? Sh*t, sorry - wrong laundry list. I think you know why. If you said "huh, Book's autodisagree has been disabled, so I wonder why he doesn't think Bertuzzi would be capable of continuing to produce like he did against Florida?" I am almost certain you'd figure it out. But for the record.... 1. Sample Size. In 7 playoff games with the Bruins, Bertuzzi had 10 points (5-5-10) for a 1.43 points/game. In 368 regular season games, Bertuzzi has 237 points, or 0.64 points/game. In the regular season last year, after the trade, he was slightly above this rate, 0.76 points per game, or just over half as many points/game as his short playoff run. And if you take away the one outlier year when he had 30 goals, he's only been above 0.64 one other season when he played more than 10 games. Other than that small sample, there is no evidence with the Bruins or in his NHL career that Bertuzzi is capable of sustaining that level of production. 2. A shooting percentage that was clearly unsustainable. No one shoots 23.8% for a longer stretch of time. He was fortunate to bury a disproportionate number of shots in that window, but it was going to come back to earth. He's had a very good s% in the past with over 16% for a few years, but he was shooting 150% of his best RS rate. That's one of the first benchmarks of sustainability - if you have an insane s%. And Bert shot 7%+ last regular season, and he's shooting 7%+ in Toronto. 3. ES vs PP - 2-2-4 at ES. 3-3-6 on the PP. Fewer ES points than Hall, same as DeBrusk despite significantly more TOI at ES than either. One more than Foligno. And at -4 over 7 games, Bertuzzi was actually on for 8 goals against vs. 4 goals for at ES. Only Bergeron and Marchand were worse at ES, but 3 of Bergeron's minuses came playing with Bertuzzi, and 2 of Marchand's. So two of the best two way forwards of all time suddenly had horrible plus/minus numbers with a particular player added to their infamous chemistry...that's going to make me skeptical even if the eye test didn't. Which brings me to ... 4. Disruption. Bertuzzi wasn't exactly playing reliable Bruins hockey, and that was a factor in the system breaking down against the Panthers. Hard for Montgomery to enforce style over production while Bertuzzi's risk-taking is producing, but over the longer haul, at 0.6 points/game, I think Montgomery is unlikely to let that ride. The only thing that supports the idea he would continue to play at an elevated level through the playoffs is that he has elevated his production in the past. His last season in Grand Rapids, he had 19 points in 19 games. In Owen Sound, he once came close to a point/game, but in his final junior season when he was a dominant regular season scorer, he was a playoff meh with 8 points in 9 games. Never, ever come close to the level of production he had in that short 7 game stretch. Frankly, he got hot on the PP. That's it. That's the sum total here. He had six PP points in 7 games. That's just not something you can ever count on. Even Gretzky only scored about 6 PP points per 10 games for his career, and only had one playoff year where he hit PP points at the rate Bertuzzi did over 7 games.
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Post by dannycater on Jan 18, 2024 2:46:53 GMT
Sh*t, sorry - wrong laundry list. I think you know why. If you said "huh, Book's autodisagree has been disabled, so I wonder why he doesn't think Bertuzzi would be capable of continuing to produce like he did against Florida?" I am almost certain you'd figure it out. But for the record.... 1. Sample Size. In 7 playoff games with the Bruins, Bertuzzi had 10 points (5-5-10) for a 1.43 points/game. In 368 regular season games, Bertuzzi has 237 points, or 0.64 points/game. In the regular season last year, after the trade, he was slightly above this rate, 0.76 points per game, or just over half as many points/game as his short playoff run. And if you take away the one outlier year when he had 30 goals, he's only been above 0.64 one other season when he played more than 10 games. Other than that small sample, there is no evidence with the Bruins or in his NHL career that Bertuzzi is capable of sustaining that level of production. 2. A shooting percentage that was clearly unsustainable. No one shoots 23.8% for a longer stretch of time. He was fortunate to bury a disproportionate number of shots in that window, but it was going to come back to earth. He's had a very good s% in the past with over 16% for a few years, but he was shooting 150% of his best RS rate. That's one of the first benchmarks of sustainability - if you have an insane s%. And Bert shot 7%+ last regular season, and he's shooting 7%+ in Toronto. 3. ES vs PP - 2-2-4 at ES. 3-3-6 on the PP. Fewer ES points than Hall, same as DeBrusk despite significantly more TOI at ES than either. One more than Foligno. And at -4 over 7 games, Bertuzzi was actually on for 8 goals against vs. 4 goals for at ES. Only Bergeron and Marchand were worse at ES, but 3 of Bergeron's minuses came playing with Bertuzzi, and 2 of Marchand's. So two of the best two way forwards of all time suddenly had horrible plus/minus numbers with a particular player added to their infamous chemistry...that's going to make me skeptical even if the eye test didn't. Which brings me to ... 4. Disruption. Bertuzzi wasn't exactly playing reliable Bruins hockey, and that was a factor in the system breaking down against the Panthers. Hard for Montgomery to enforce style over production while Bertuzzi's risk-taking is producing, but over the longer haul, at 0.6 points/game, I think Montgomery is unlikely to let that ride. The only thing that supports the idea he would continue to play at an elevated level through the playoffs is that he has elevated his production in the past. His last season in Grand Rapids, he had 19 points in 19 games. In Owen Sound, he once came close to a point/game, but in his final junior season when he was a dominant regular season scorer, he was a playoff meh with 8 points in 9 games. Never, ever come close to the level of production he had in that short 7 game stretch. Frankly, he got hot on the PP. That's it. That's the sum total here. He had six PP points in 7 games. That's just not something you can ever count on. Even Gretzky only scored about 6 PP points per 10 games for his career, and only had one playoff year where he hit PP points at the rate Bertuzzi did over 7 games. After reading this post, I now want Bertuzzi more than ever...thanks book for a convincing me how important Bert is to B's...maybe they can get him at trade deadline. Go B's!
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 18, 2024 2:55:07 GMT
Sh*t, sorry - wrong laundry list. I think you know why. If you said "huh, Book's autodisagree has been disabled, so I wonder why he doesn't think Bertuzzi would be capable of continuing to produce like he did against Florida?" I am almost certain you'd figure it out. But for the record.... 1. Sample Size. In 7 playoff games with the Bruins, Bertuzzi had 10 points (5-5-10) for a 1.43 points/game. In 368 regular season games, Bertuzzi has 237 points, or 0.64 points/game. In the regular season last year, after the trade, he was slightly above this rate, 0.76 points per game, or just over half as many points/game as his short playoff run. And if you take away the one outlier year when he had 30 goals, he's only been above 0.64 one other season when he played more than 10 games. Other than that small sample, there is no evidence with the Bruins or in his NHL career that Bertuzzi is capable of sustaining that level of production. 2. A shooting percentage that was clearly unsustainable. No one shoots 23.8% for a longer stretch of time. He was fortunate to bury a disproportionate number of shots in that window, but it was going to come back to earth. He's had a very good s% in the past with over 16% for a few years, but he was shooting 150% of his best RS rate. That's one of the first benchmarks of sustainability - if you have an insane s%. And Bert shot 7%+ last regular season, and he's shooting 7%+ in Toronto. 3. ES vs PP - 2-2-4 at ES. 3-3-6 on the PP. Fewer ES points than Hall, same as DeBrusk despite significantly more TOI at ES than either. One more than Foligno. And at -4 over 7 games, Bertuzzi was actually on for 8 goals against vs. 4 goals for at ES. Only Bergeron and Marchand were worse at ES, but 3 of Bergeron's minuses came playing with Bertuzzi, and 2 of Marchand's. So two of the best two way forwards of all time suddenly had horrible plus/minus numbers with a particular player added to their infamous chemistry...that's going to make me skeptical even if the eye test didn't. Which brings me to ... 4. Disruption. Bertuzzi wasn't exactly playing reliable Bruins hockey, and that was a factor in the system breaking down against the Panthers. Hard for Montgomery to enforce style over production while Bertuzzi's risk-taking is producing, but over the longer haul, at 0.6 points/game, I think Montgomery is unlikely to let that ride. The only thing that supports the idea he would continue to play at an elevated level through the playoffs is that he has elevated his production in the past. His last season in Grand Rapids, he had 19 points in 19 games. In Owen Sound, he once came close to a point/game, but in his final junior season when he was a dominant regular season scorer, he was a playoff meh with 8 points in 9 games. Never, ever come close to the level of production he had in that short 7 game stretch. Frankly, he got hot on the PP. That's it. That's the sum total here. He had six PP points in 7 games. That's just not something you can ever count on. Even Gretzky only scored about 6 PP points per 10 games for his career, and only had one playoff year where he hit PP points at the rate Bertuzzi did over 7 games. After reading this post, I now want Bertuzzi more than ever...thanks book for a convincing me how important Bert is to B's...maybe they can get him at trade deadline. Go B's! All this tells me is that you have oppositional defiance disorder or a meth problem.
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Post by dannycater on Jan 18, 2024 3:10:09 GMT
After reading this post, I now want Bertuzzi more than ever...thanks book for a convincing me how important Bert is to B's...maybe they can get him at trade deadline. Go B's! All this tells me is that you have oppositional defiance disorder or a meth problem. I'll take Propofol for $200 Alex
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 18, 2024 12:17:30 GMT
2-16-18, not 2-11-13. That's 3 back of Marchand. Is ESP not even strength points? Of course it is. And neither of us can read. JVR has 16 ES points, not 13. I forgot the NHL's stats page shows ES goals and ES points rather than assists. But the point that he's just 3 points at ES back of Marchand stands, and he has a better +/-. In fact, if you put the two stats together, Brad may have 3 more points at ES, but JVR has been on for two fewer goals against, so in theory, JVR's really about a net -1 vs. Marchand in terms of impact at ES.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jan 18, 2024 14:34:00 GMT
Is ESP not even strength points? Of course it is. And neither of us can read. JVR has 16 ES points, not 13. I forgot the NHL's stats page shows ES goals and ES points rather than assists. But the point that he's just 3 points at ES back of Marchand stands, and he has a better +/-. In fact, if you put the two stats together, Brad may have 3 more points at ES, but JVR has been on for two fewer goals against, so in theory, JVR's really about a net -1 vs. Marchand in terms of impact at ES. So trade Marchand for another goalie?
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Post by mdsizzle on Jan 18, 2024 14:45:25 GMT
Sh*t, sorry - wrong laundry list. I think you know why. If you said "huh, Book's autodisagree has been disabled, so I wonder why he doesn't think Bertuzzi would be capable of continuing to produce like he did against Florida?" I am almost certain you'd figure it out. But for the record.... 1. Sample Size. In 7 playoff games with the Bruins, Bertuzzi had 10 points (5-5-10) for a 1.43 points/game. In 368 regular season games, Bertuzzi has 237 points, or 0.64 points/game. In the regular season last year, after the trade, he was slightly above this rate, 0.76 points per game, or just over half as many points/game as his short playoff run. And if you take away the one outlier year when he had 30 goals, he's only been above 0.64 one other season when he played more than 10 games. Other than that small sample, there is no evidence with the Bruins or in his NHL career that Bertuzzi is capable of sustaining that level of production. 2. A shooting percentage that was clearly unsustainable. No one shoots 23.8% for a longer stretch of time. He was fortunate to bury a disproportionate number of shots in that window, but it was going to come back to earth. He's had a very good s% in the past with over 16% for a few years, but he was shooting 150% of his best RS rate. That's one of the first benchmarks of sustainability - if you have an insane s%. And Bert shot 7%+ last regular season, and he's shooting 7%+ in Toronto. 3. ES vs PP - 2-2-4 at ES. 3-3-6 on the PP. Fewer ES points than Hall, same as DeBrusk despite significantly more TOI at ES than either. One more than Foligno. And at -4 over 7 games, Bertuzzi was actually on for 8 goals against vs. 4 goals for at ES. Only Bergeron and Marchand were worse at ES, but 3 of Bergeron's minuses came playing with Bertuzzi, and 2 of Marchand's. So two of the best two way forwards of all time suddenly had horrible plus/minus numbers with a particular player added to their infamous chemistry...that's going to make me skeptical even if the eye test didn't. Which brings me to ... 4. Disruption. Bertuzzi wasn't exactly playing reliable Bruins hockey, and that was a factor in the system breaking down against the Panthers. Hard for Montgomery to enforce style over production while Bertuzzi's risk-taking is producing, but over the longer haul, at 0.6 points/game, I think Montgomery is unlikely to let that ride. The only thing that supports the idea he would continue to play at an elevated level through the playoffs is that he has elevated his production in the past. His last season in Grand Rapids, he had 19 points in 19 games. In Owen Sound, he once came close to a point/game, but in his final junior season when he was a dominant regular season scorer, he was a playoff meh with 8 points in 9 games. Never, ever come close to the level of production he had in that short 7 game stretch. Frankly, he got hot on the PP. That's it. That's the sum total here. He had six PP points in 7 games. That's just not something you can ever count on. Even Gretzky only scored about 6 PP points per 10 games for his career, and only had one playoff year where he hit PP points at the rate Bertuzzi did over 7 games. Ya, all the stats are cure and all, and I'm sure withdrawal a little time I could post numbers showing how good or bad every other player on the B's last playoffs were, but I'm going by eye test and memory only.. I also don't think you can penalize a player just because it's a small sample size, but 8 do get your shooting percentage take and agree, but it was the compete level and urgency that was mainly what I was talking about. Bert had it when almost everyone else didn't. 3ven nevermind how great his passing was... And i remember lots of folks here raving about his vision, so not sure why the short memory... Vax status? Stupid face? Not signing? Idk... I think the B's just developed an unhealthy calm or poise when the going got rough after what they did after 2011 and that had done them NO FUCKING GOOD since. When the going get tough, the tough lose the effort battle and the series/cup, and it's why I'm backing Bert here. He was flying and banging like he gave a shit. Not like the rest. I remember Carlo saying gm7 was a good opportunity and was excited to be there?! Fuck you! You dropped 3 fucking games! Where's the pride and emotion?? Who the fuck thinks failing 3 times is a good thing? Pussy hockey!
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Post by islamorada on Jan 18, 2024 15:24:58 GMT
Sh*t, sorry - wrong laundry list. I think you know why. If you said "huh, Book's autodisagree has been disabled, so I wonder why he doesn't think Bertuzzi would be capable of continuing to produce like he did against Florida?" I am almost certain you'd figure it out. But for the record.... 1. Sample Size. In 7 playoff games with the Bruins, Bertuzzi had 10 points (5-5-10) for a 1.43 points/game. In 368 regular season games, Bertuzzi has 237 points, or 0.64 points/game. In the regular season last year, after the trade, he was slightly above this rate, 0.76 points per game, or just over half as many points/game as his short playoff run. And if you take away the one outlier year when he had 30 goals, he's only been above 0.64 one other season when he played more than 10 games. Other than that small sample, there is no evidence with the Bruins or in his NHL career that Bertuzzi is capable of sustaining that level of production. 2. A shooting percentage that was clearly unsustainable. No one shoots 23.8% for a longer stretch of time. He was fortunate to bury a disproportionate number of shots in that window, but it was going to come back to earth. He's had a very good s% in the past with over 16% for a few years, but he was shooting 150% of his best RS rate. That's one of the first benchmarks of sustainability - if you have an insane s%. And Bert shot 7%+ last regular season, and he's shooting 7%+ in Toronto. 3. ES vs PP - 2-2-4 at ES. 3-3-6 on the PP. Fewer ES points than Hall, same as DeBrusk despite significantly more TOI at ES than either. One more than Foligno. And at -4 over 7 games, Bertuzzi was actually on for 8 goals against vs. 4 goals for at ES. Only Bergeron and Marchand were worse at ES, but 3 of Bergeron's minuses came playing with Bertuzzi, and 2 of Marchand's. So two of the best two way forwards of all time suddenly had horrible plus/minus numbers with a particular player added to their infamous chemistry...that's going to make me skeptical even if the eye test didn't. Which brings me to ... 4. Disruption. Bertuzzi wasn't exactly playing reliable Bruins hockey, and that was a factor in the system breaking down against the Panthers. Hard for Montgomery to enforce style over production while Bertuzzi's risk-taking is producing, but over the longer haul, at 0.6 points/game, I think Montgomery is unlikely to let that ride. The only thing that supports the idea he would continue to play at an elevated level through the playoffs is that he has elevated his production in the past. His last season in Grand Rapids, he had 19 points in 19 games. In Owen Sound, he once came close to a point/game, but in his final junior season when he was a dominant regular season scorer, he was a playoff meh with 8 points in 9 games. Never, ever come close to the level of production he had in that short 7 game stretch. Frankly, he got hot on the PP. That's it. That's the sum total here. He had six PP points in 7 games. That's just not something you can ever count on. Even Gretzky only scored about 6 PP points per 10 games for his career, and only had one playoff year where he hit PP points at the rate Bertuzzi did over 7 games. Ya, all the stats are cure and all, and I'm sure withdrawal a little time I could post numbers showing how good or bad every other player on the B's last playoffs were, but I'm going by eye test and memory only.. I also don't think you can penalize a player just because it's a small sample size, but 8 do get your shooting percentage take and agree, but it was the compete level and urgency that was mainly what I was talking about. Bert had it when almost everyone else didn't. 3ven nevermind how great his passing was... And i remember lots of folks here raving about his vision, so not sure why the short memory... Vax status? Stupid face? Not signing? Idk... I think the B's just developed an unhealthy calm or poise when the going got rough after what they did after 2011 and that had done them NO FUCKING GOOD since. When the going get tough, the tough lose the effort battle and the series/cup, and it's why I'm backing Bert here. He was flying and banging like he gave a shit. Not like the rest. I remember Carlo saying gm7 was a good opportunity and was excited to be there?! Fuck you! You dropped 3 fucking games! Where's the pride and emotion?? Who the fuck thinks failing 3 times is a good thing? Pussy hockey! Some of the players probably would say 2010 in 2011, just saying.
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Post by dannycater on Jan 18, 2024 15:35:17 GMT
Sh*t, sorry - wrong laundry list. I think you know why. If you said "huh, Book's autodisagree has been disabled, so I wonder why he doesn't think Bertuzzi would be capable of continuing to produce like he did against Florida?" I am almost certain you'd figure it out. But for the record.... 1. Sample Size. In 7 playoff games with the Bruins, Bertuzzi had 10 points (5-5-10) for a 1.43 points/game. In 368 regular season games, Bertuzzi has 237 points, or 0.64 points/game. In the regular season last year, after the trade, he was slightly above this rate, 0.76 points per game, or just over half as many points/game as his short playoff run. And if you take away the one outlier year when he had 30 goals, he's only been above 0.64 one other season when he played more than 10 games. Other than that small sample, there is no evidence with the Bruins or in his NHL career that Bertuzzi is capable of sustaining that level of production. 2. A shooting percentage that was clearly unsustainable. No one shoots 23.8% for a longer stretch of time. He was fortunate to bury a disproportionate number of shots in that window, but it was going to come back to earth. He's had a very good s% in the past with over 16% for a few years, but he was shooting 150% of his best RS rate. That's one of the first benchmarks of sustainability - if you have an insane s%. And Bert shot 7%+ last regular season, and he's shooting 7%+ in Toronto. 3. ES vs PP - 2-2-4 at ES. 3-3-6 on the PP. Fewer ES points than Hall, same as DeBrusk despite significantly more TOI at ES than either. One more than Foligno. And at -4 over 7 games, Bertuzzi was actually on for 8 goals against vs. 4 goals for at ES. Only Bergeron and Marchand were worse at ES, but 3 of Bergeron's minuses came playing with Bertuzzi, and 2 of Marchand's. So two of the best two way forwards of all time suddenly had horrible plus/minus numbers with a particular player added to their infamous chemistry...that's going to make me skeptical even if the eye test didn't. Which brings me to ... 4. Disruption. Bertuzzi wasn't exactly playing reliable Bruins hockey, and that was a factor in the system breaking down against the Panthers. Hard for Montgomery to enforce style over production while Bertuzzi's risk-taking is producing, but over the longer haul, at 0.6 points/game, I think Montgomery is unlikely to let that ride. The only thing that supports the idea he would continue to play at an elevated level through the playoffs is that he has elevated his production in the past. His last season in Grand Rapids, he had 19 points in 19 games. In Owen Sound, he once came close to a point/game, but in his final junior season when he was a dominant regular season scorer, he was a playoff meh with 8 points in 9 games. Never, ever come close to the level of production he had in that short 7 game stretch. Frankly, he got hot on the PP. That's it. That's the sum total here. He had six PP points in 7 games. That's just not something you can ever count on. Even Gretzky only scored about 6 PP points per 10 games for his career, and only had one playoff year where he hit PP points at the rate Bertuzzi did over 7 games. Ya, all the stats are cure and all, and I'm sure withdrawal a little time I could post numbers showing how good or bad every other player on the B's last playoffs were, but I'm going by eye test and memory only.. I also don't think you can penalize a player just because it's a small sample size, but 8 do get your shooting percentage take and agree, but it was the compete level and urgency that was mainly what I was talking about. Bert had it when almost everyone else didn't. 3ven nevermind how great his passing was... And i remember lots of folks here raving about his vision, so not sure why the short memory... Vax status? Stupid face? Not signing? Idk... I think the B's just developed an unhealthy calm or poise when the going got rough after what they did after 2011 and that had done them NO FUCKING GOOD since. When the going get tough, the tough lose the effort battle and the series/cup, and it's why I'm backing Bert here. He was flying and banging like he gave a shit. Not like the rest. I remember Carlo saying gm7 was a good opportunity and was excited to be there?! Fuck you! You dropped 3 fucking games! Where's the pride and emotion?? Who the fuck thinks failing 3 times is a good thing? Pussy hockey! I love Bert, you love Bert, but bookthey likes Ernie more.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jan 18, 2024 17:31:41 GMT
Ya, all the stats are cure and all, and I'm sure withdrawal a little time I could post numbers showing how good or bad every other player on the B's last playoffs were, but I'm going by eye test and memory only.. I also don't think you can penalize a player just because it's a small sample size, but 8 do get your shooting percentage take and agree, but it was the compete level and urgency that was mainly what I was talking about. Bert had it when almost everyone else didn't. 3ven nevermind how great his passing was... And i remember lots of folks here raving about his vision, so not sure why the short memory... Vax status? Stupid face? Not signing? Idk... I think the B's just developed an unhealthy calm or poise when the going got rough after what they did after 2011 and that had done them NO FUCKING GOOD since. When the going get tough, the tough lose the effort battle and the series/cup, and it's why I'm backing Bert here. He was flying and banging like he gave a shit. Not like the rest. I remember Carlo saying gm7 was a good opportunity and was excited to be there?! Fuck you! You dropped 3 fucking games! Where's the pride and emotion?? Who the fuck thinks failing 3 times is a good thing? Pussy hockey! I love Bert, you love Bert, but bookthey likes Ernie more. I'd give Adam a shot!
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 19, 2024 0:32:45 GMT
Sh*t, sorry - wrong laundry list. I think you know why. If you said "huh, Book's autodisagree has been disabled, so I wonder why he doesn't think Bertuzzi would be capable of continuing to produce like he did against Florida?" I am almost certain you'd figure it out. But for the record.... 1. Sample Size. In 7 playoff games with the Bruins, Bertuzzi had 10 points (5-5-10) for a 1.43 points/game. In 368 regular season games, Bertuzzi has 237 points, or 0.64 points/game. In the regular season last year, after the trade, he was slightly above this rate, 0.76 points per game, or just over half as many points/game as his short playoff run. And if you take away the one outlier year when he had 30 goals, he's only been above 0.64 one other season when he played more than 10 games. Other than that small sample, there is no evidence with the Bruins or in his NHL career that Bertuzzi is capable of sustaining that level of production. 2. A shooting percentage that was clearly unsustainable. No one shoots 23.8% for a longer stretch of time. He was fortunate to bury a disproportionate number of shots in that window, but it was going to come back to earth. He's had a very good s% in the past with over 16% for a few years, but he was shooting 150% of his best RS rate. That's one of the first benchmarks of sustainability - if you have an insane s%. And Bert shot 7%+ last regular season, and he's shooting 7%+ in Toronto. 3. ES vs PP - 2-2-4 at ES. 3-3-6 on the PP. Fewer ES points than Hall, same as DeBrusk despite significantly more TOI at ES than either. One more than Foligno. And at -4 over 7 games, Bertuzzi was actually on for 8 goals against vs. 4 goals for at ES. Only Bergeron and Marchand were worse at ES, but 3 of Bergeron's minuses came playing with Bertuzzi, and 2 of Marchand's. So two of the best two way forwards of all time suddenly had horrible plus/minus numbers with a particular player added to their infamous chemistry...that's going to make me skeptical even if the eye test didn't. Which brings me to ... 4. Disruption. Bertuzzi wasn't exactly playing reliable Bruins hockey, and that was a factor in the system breaking down against the Panthers. Hard for Montgomery to enforce style over production while Bertuzzi's risk-taking is producing, but over the longer haul, at 0.6 points/game, I think Montgomery is unlikely to let that ride. The only thing that supports the idea he would continue to play at an elevated level through the playoffs is that he has elevated his production in the past. His last season in Grand Rapids, he had 19 points in 19 games. In Owen Sound, he once came close to a point/game, but in his final junior season when he was a dominant regular season scorer, he was a playoff meh with 8 points in 9 games. Never, ever come close to the level of production he had in that short 7 game stretch. Frankly, he got hot on the PP. That's it. That's the sum total here. He had six PP points in 7 games. That's just not something you can ever count on. Even Gretzky only scored about 6 PP points per 10 games for his career, and only had one playoff year where he hit PP points at the rate Bertuzzi did over 7 games. Ya, all the stats are cure and all, and I'm sure withdrawal a little time I could post numbers showing how good or bad every other player on the B's last playoffs were, but I'm going by eye test and memory only.. I also don't think you can penalize a player just because it's a small sample size, but 8 do get your shooting percentage take and agree, but it was the compete level and urgency that was mainly what I was talking about. Bert had it when almost everyone else didn't. 3ven nevermind how great his passing was... And i remember lots of folks here raving about his vision, so not sure why the short memory... Vax status? Stupid face? Not signing? Idk... I think the B's just developed an unhealthy calm or poise when the going got rough after what they did after 2011 and that had done them NO FUCKING GOOD since. When the going get tough, the tough lose the effort battle and the series/cup, and it's why I'm backing Bert here. He was flying and banging like he gave a shit. Not like the rest. I remember Carlo saying gm7 was a good opportunity and was excited to be there?! Fuck you! You dropped 3 fucking games! Where's the pride and emotion?? Who the fuck thinks failing 3 times is a good thing? Pussy hockey! You really sound like a guy I know who hates his ex wife. He might even have used the phrase pussy hockey in a different context. I'm citing the stats to confirm my eye test. You saw "compete level" and urgency. I saw that guy at pick up who shows up for his first game and chases the puck, skates around like a madman and barks at other guys to up their intensity even though he's the guy who has no idea who his man is or what position he's supposed to be playing. Yeah, he made some crazy passes but his success rate on them wasn't going to stat that high and we already saw his inability to make simple passes consistently. He made a lot of plays but I think he out his own game ahead of the team game and that was part of what broke down. Part and parcel of the game they rode to a historic season going out the window so they could play a bunch of guys who were less adept at the two way game. That was my eye test if you want to say guck the stats. I saw a guy freelancing and having unsustainable success at it.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jan 19, 2024 0:45:58 GMT
Ya, all the stats are cure and all, and I'm sure withdrawal a little time I could post numbers showing how good or bad every other player on the B's last playoffs were, but I'm going by eye test and memory only.. I also don't think you can penalize a player just because it's a small sample size, but 8 do get your shooting percentage take and agree, but it was the compete level and urgency that was mainly what I was talking about. Bert had it when almost everyone else didn't. 3ven nevermind how great his passing was... And i remember lots of folks here raving about his vision, so not sure why the short memory... Vax status? Stupid face? Not signing? Idk... I think the B's just developed an unhealthy calm or poise when the going got rough after what they did after 2011 and that had done them NO FUCKING GOOD since. When the going get tough, the tough lose the effort battle and the series/cup, and it's why I'm backing Bert here. He was flying and banging like he gave a shit. Not like the rest. I remember Carlo saying gm7 was a good opportunity and was excited to be there?! Fuck you! You dropped 3 fucking games! Where's the pride and emotion?? Who the fuck thinks failing 3 times is a good thing? Pussy hockey! You really sound like a guy I know who hates his ex wife. He might even have used the phrase pussy hockey in a different context. I'm citing the stats to confirm my eye test. You saw "compete level" and urgency. I saw that guy at pick up who shows up for his first game and chases the puck, skates around like a madman and barks at other guys to up their intensity even though he's the guy who has no idea who his man is or what position he's supposed to be playing. Yeah, he made some crazy passes but his success rate on them wasn't going to stat that high and we already saw his inability to make simple passes consistently. He made a lot of plays but I think he out his own game ahead of the team game and that was part of what broke down. Part and parcel of the game they rode to a historic season going out the window so they could play a bunch of guys who were less adept at the two way game. That was my eye test if you want to say guck the stats. I saw a guy freelancing and having unsustainable success at it. Ok, then have it your way.. We won't say guck the stats.. He was tied for 1st! Take a step back and maybe you'd see a guy who passes my eye test and your stat test with flying colors. Shooting a guy down for saying he couldn't do something in a hypothetical situation and discrediting actual reality seems pretty bias to me. I know I know, you dissagree... For a silly ass reason.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jan 19, 2024 1:44:02 GMT
You really sound like a guy I know who hates his ex wife. He might even have used the phrase pussy hockey in a different context. I'm citing the stats to confirm my eye test. You saw "compete level" and urgency. I saw that guy at pick up who shows up for his first game and chases the puck, skates around like a madman and barks at other guys to up their intensity even though he's the guy who has no idea who his man is or what position he's supposed to be playing. Yeah, he made some crazy passes but his success rate on them wasn't going to stat that high and we already saw his inability to make simple passes consistently. He made a lot of plays but I think he out his own game ahead of the team game and that was part of what broke down. Part and parcel of the game they rode to a historic season going out the window so they could play a bunch of guys who were less adept at the two way game. That was my eye test if you want to say guck the stats. I saw a guy freelancing and having unsustainable success at it. Ok, then have it your way.. We won't say guck the stats.. He was tied for 1st! Take a step back and maybe you'd see a guy who passes my eye test and your stat test with flying colors. Shooting a guy down for saying he couldn't do something in a hypothetical situation and discrediting actual reality seems pretty bias to me. I know I know, you dissagree... For a silly ass reason. No, no. You're not silly. Just an ass.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jan 19, 2024 2:32:16 GMT
Ok, then have it your way.. We won't say guck the stats.. He was tied for 1st! Take a step back and maybe you'd see a guy who passes my eye test and your stat test with flying colors. Shooting a guy down for saying he couldn't do something in a hypothetical situation and discrediting actual reality seems pretty bias to me. I know I know, you dissagree... For a silly ass reason. No, no. You're not silly. Just an ass. Actually the nicest thing you've called me in years.. I'LL TAKE IT! 😊👍
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