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Post by islamorada on Feb 1, 2024 13:15:39 GMT
Not reading the last segment of the thread then going on with a post is just wrong. Time is not on my side though. Book is correct that fighting is being slowly diminished both through the process of having developing hockey players not being pugilistic and the NHL protocol slowly picking out players who agitate ie. see Marchand. He is wrong in calling the Wizard of Gryz a 6th defenseman by defending the coach's decision to line him up on the first pairing because McAvoy knows him and his play. No, Lindholm is better with Carlo rather than McAvoy. TOI also is not an argument to why Gryz is on the first pairing but not actually because of TOI. All I can think of is Donovan Leitch's gibberish in the crappy drug induced lyrics "First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is". I would suggest Gryz is a 6th defenseman in the regular season. He skates beautifully like Nancy Kerrigan, but he does not advance the puck well. So many times he completes an outlet pass only to find the receiver in no man's land. He is constantly being crushed deep in the zone, at least Lohrei can use his size to wiggle out of the scrum he generally creates. The Ference comparison is a comparison, not applicable. Yet, in the playoffs when a team is on a mission of going two months fighting to win, well, you need a nuclear deterrent for the aggressive players. Ktruck is a chicken shitte, he runs away from pugilistic encounters he creates like Lemieux did turtling. The referee's do not do well in the playoffs when this is more apparent btw. Gryz is a 7th defenseman thusly. If he is not offered a contract in the off season it will be a blessing especially if other 6th? defensemen are available. If a defenseman is 6'2" and weighs 210 pounds with a long stare (Frederic like), then he will make the likes of KTruck "turtle" or backdown. Fiddy is correct to say "the left side is weak" without Forbort and with Gryz. I don't mind Lindholm. he is fine when playing with Carlo or McAvoy. The Bs do need to find some size and snarl on defense. I don't see how what follows contradicts what I've said. To be clear, my point is that being McAvoy's partner on the game sheet doesn't equate to the team using Grz as a top defenseman. To me, you know who the coaches think are the top defensemen by who they put on the ice for special teams, who they put on the ice in key situations, and total TOI. Looking at those three measures, I see Grz with only slightly more TOI than Wotherspoon per game, 7 seconds per game in the month of January, putting them basically 5-6. He plays almost never on the PP (0:02 per game in January) and is sixth in PKTOI ahead of only Lohrei and the historically defensively inept Shattenkirk. And Grz plays with McAvoy under 40% of the time that 73 is on the ice in 5 on 5 situations. We have all seen Montgomery shorten his bench this year, much more sharply than last year. When that happens, even if Grz started with McAvoy, he's quickly replaced by Lindholm or often Shattenkirk if the Bruins are trying to come from behind. Notably, they've put Lohrei with McAvoy for 19.5% of McAvoy's 5 on 5 TOI this year - about half what Grz gets - and while McAvoy and Grz are +6, McAvoy and Lohrei are -4. McAvoy and Shattenkirk together has only happened for about 15 minutes of total TOI and they were -1. Curiously, Grz has played with Shattenkirk for almost 14% of his ESTOI and they're +4 together. So Grz is +6 with McAvoy and +4 with Shattenkirk, who is a -4 when he plays with McAvoy. All of that tells me that they see Grz as a functional bottom pairing D who drops out of the rotation when they need to shorten the bench. And that the way they seem to be using him does a pretty good job of managing his limitations to the point that his numbers are better than those of the other options available to Montgomery. Which would be pretty consistent with a coach trying to do the most he can with the resources at his disposal. I am reading that Gryz is a defacto first pairing. Then you summarize that he really is a 3rd pairing. Gryz plays with McAvoy out of familiarity, and his stats indicate in the past few years that his contract is comparable to other 3rd pairings (6th defensemen). He is not this year. Monty** has decided that placing Gryz with likes of Shattenkirk is not wise. Gyrz is a PMD* and Shattenkirk is a liability on defense. Defacto 1st pairing. Statistically rounding numbers off by game is fine for an argument. The fact is Gryz is not on the ice during the tight games in the third period, McAvoy and Lindholm are those players. Your outlier is Lohrei. He is a liability with McAvoy? Yes he is, but Monty wants points not a defenseman who can handle defensive play, thus Gryz selection. But does Gryz play consistently in the third period? My eyes tell me no. Lohrei should be in the NHL despite the above negative numbers. It is the regular season not the playoffs. Gryz is fine as a 7th defenseman during the playoffs. DS needs to find a defenseman if Forbort does not return to last year's health. The whole point of the reasoning is to say Gryz is not an answer for 1st pairing play. Comparing Gryz to Lohrei using plus/minus is also ingenuous... a raw rookie to a veteran? Who plays more so in games against lesser opponents. Your argument that Gryz will be fine as floater in the pairings is confusing. Playoffs? There is not justification for Gryz being in the playoffs let alone the regular season this year. * PMD, ten years ago I posted numerous times that the Bs needed one. The Bs have too many now. Times have changed. ** I generally don't start threads, but I would love to vote on the quality of Monty's coaching. I would give him a B-. He does make some very odd moves with the lineup choices and in game.
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Post by islamorada on Feb 1, 2024 13:19:16 GMT
Not reading the last segment of the thread then going on with a post is just wrong. Time is not on my side though. Book is correct that fighting is being slowly diminished both through the process of having developing hockey players not being pugilistic and the NHL protocol slowly picking out players who agitate ie. see Marchand. He is wrong in calling the Wizard of Gryz a 6th defenseman by defending the coach's decision to line him up on the first pairing because McAvoy knows him and his play. No, Lindholm is better with Carlo rather than McAvoy. TOI also is not an argument to why Gryz is on the first pairing but not actually because of TOI. All I can think of is Donovan Leitch's gibberish in the crappy drug induced lyrics "First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is". I would suggest Gryz is a 6th defenseman in the regular season. He skates beautifully like Nancy Kerrigan, but he does not advance the puck well. So many times he completes an outlet pass only to find the receiver in no man's land. He is constantly being crushed deep in the zone, at least Lohrei can use his size to wiggle out of the scrum he generally creates. The Ference comparison is a comparison, not applicable. Yet, in the playoffs when a team is on a mission of going two months fighting to win, well, you need a nuclear deterrent for the aggressive players. Ktruck is a chicken shitte, he runs away from pugilistic encounters he creates like Lemieux did turtling. The referee's do not do well in the playoffs when this is more apparent btw. Gryz is a 7th defenseman thusly. If he is not offered a contract in the off season it will be a blessing especially if other 6th? defensemen are available. If a defenseman is 6'2" and weighs 210 pounds with a long stare (Frederic like), then he will make the likes of KTruck "turtle" or backdown. Fiddy is correct to say "the left side is weak" without Forbort and with Gryz. I don't mind Lindholm. he is fine when playing with Carlo or McAvoy. The Bs do need to find some size and snarl on defense. Brilliant, Isla, just brilliant. Chapeau!It was too snarly of a remark. Snarky is not a quality I embrace as I get older and older. Ha. My HS time was met with pugilism, one was very controversial. Today I would be on the news. Gryz sucks though.
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Post by schlich on Feb 1, 2024 16:08:42 GMT
Uh-oh, I think someone has a serious case of ADS (Advocatus Diaboli Syndrome)... You're missing the point, book, because what Andrew Ference did wasn't "false toughness":(See 0:28 - 0:46, 1:23 - 2:32, 3:01 - 3:11 - once again thank you, mdsizzle, for posting this clip in a previous thread.) And I think that the Bruins would be much better off with someone like Andrew Ference on their current roster.
I'm sorry, book, and I really don't want this to look like a personal attack, especially since I, as I have posted a couple of days ago, think that you have contributed a lot of very valuable posts to this forum, but I'm sick of this "used car salesman" stuff.
For instance, Matt Grzelcyk, as I and others have pointed out many times, has no business being in the lineup over Kevin ShatnerKirk, Mason Lohrei or Parker Wotherspoon, period. I don't care if he makes $3.something mill or $4.25 mill per year and it's allegedly ridiculous to assume the GM could be that far off, because considering what he has brought to the table especially this season he should be making $0.0 mill. I don't care if other teams have worse dmen, or if you think the coaches would never allow him to do what I saw him do in every game I have watched this season, therefore I must be wrong, blahblahblah.
And this "false toughness is worse than doing nothing" line sounds exactly like a "used car salesman" pitch, or "Chamberlainism", at least as far as I'm concerned.
You're better than that, book, much better - at least you used to be. I think you are too hard on Book... It's not him, way back in the day he was usually spot on, but he changed his setting to auto-dissagree when responding to me and the poor guys rational has been on a downward spiral ever since. Even when he tries to agree the post still just circles down the drain eventually. Speaking of... I REFUSE to believe that not sticking up for your teammates is just the way the NHL is trending, like Book said.. That is just a massive pile of steamy freshly shat shit. I see hockey players and teams being good teammates multiple time in every game I watch, which is why it sucks to see my Bruins not give a shit and do nothing when their goalie is slewfooted. It's a sign of a pussy ass team... Actually it's sign of the players not even being a team! What type of player doesn't stick up for his teammates?? Fuck, I did that in pond hockey when I was 10 and I bet most of you guys did too. But this Book planted idea of "it's just the way the nhl is" and it's the B's being like every other team is just pure garbage. heh heh. you said hard on. then there were some other words. Then you said pussy. Heh heh
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Post by MrHulot on Feb 1, 2024 17:45:49 GMT
I think you are too hard on Book... It's not him, way back in the day he was usually spot on, but he changed his setting to auto-dissagree when responding to me and the poor guys rational has been on a downward spiral ever since. Even when he tries to agree the post still just circles down the drain eventually. Speaking of... I REFUSE to believe that not sticking up for your teammates is just the way the NHL is trending, like Book said.. That is just a massive pile of steamy freshly shat shit. I see hockey players and teams being good teammates multiple time in every game I watch, which is why it sucks to see my Bruins not give a shit and do nothing when their goalie is slewfooted. It's a sign of a pussy ass team... Actually it's sign of the players not even being a team! What type of player doesn't stick up for his teammates?? Fuck, I did that in pond hockey when I was 10 and I bet most of you guys did too. But this Book planted idea of "it's just the way the nhl is" and it's the B's being like every other team is just pure garbage. heh heh. you said hard on. then there were some other words. Then you said pussy. Heh heh
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