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Apr 25, 2016 16:53:57 GMT
Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Apr 25, 2016 16:53:57 GMT
Kraft pisses off a lot of other owners at meetings and in general. This whole ruling was pushed by a few owners that can't stand, his holy, Saint Bob. Irsay, the alcoholics son, was and is the main antagonizer. He is another doof who can't keep his mouth shut. This is about the NFL not backing off and that they will not show favoritism to any one team.
I Want Goodell out but there are a majority of owners that like him. His crowning moment is the money machine Direct TV ATM. There are less free games on TV so people have to subscribe to satellite. Thankfully congress got a wiff and made Goodell loosen that up...for now. Just take Goodell out of the discipline role and give it to Gene Washington or make it a committee that decide on the wife beaters. Let goody two-shoes Roger be a commissioner. Make money for the owners which Roger Is good at.
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Post by Fletcher on Apr 25, 2016 17:15:33 GMT
I think that everyone, including Goddell and the NFL front office, now know that this case is utter hogwash. They never understood the ideal gas law, and the whole case became laughable after that was discovered and applied to the case, which hinged on a pretty doubtful equipment violation to begin with.
I also understand why Goddell and the NFL can't back down, at this point. He's painted them into a corner where now the case isn't really about Brady at all -- it's about the cherished CBA that the NFL somehow pushed past the NFLPA previously. That means everything. Goddell's case in federal court amounted to "it's irrelevant if the Brady case was unfair, made up, or mishandled -- the CBA gives us the right to do it" (seriously, read it). And that's what the court agreed with today. Goddell, under the CBA, has the right to make up punishments at his own discretion, whether they are fair or not.
The next step will be interesting. The NFL got to keep their CBA powers, which was paramount to them. Now they'll have to deal with the fact that most legal reviewers and journalists believe they have committed a major fraud and trashed a Hall of Fame player to appease the owners of rival teams. I think Goddell remains in a real tough spot. As he should.
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Post by NAS on Apr 25, 2016 17:58:41 GMT
No logical person looks at this and thinks the NFL got it right. This was nothing more than a "hey don't do that" scenario. I think it caught fire on social media, the networks picked it up and it spiraled out of control.
They should have let it die but couldn't.
It's an embarrassment to the league but hey, the NFL isn't the only league to fuck up suspensions.
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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 25, 2016 19:32:29 GMT
That would be rather difficult to handle. I watched the whole game, I am not impressed with Denver at all. Paper Tigers. I am pleased the Pats lost during the season. I am hoping the team will be healthy for the playoffs. Gronk is a huge loss, but the team is competitive. If I had a dollar for every time the world did this to me, Isla.... I could buy a coffee.
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Apr 25, 2016 19:40:28 GMT
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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 25, 2016 19:40:28 GMT
No logical person looks at this and thinks the NFL got it right. This was nothing more than a "hey don't do that" scenario. I think it caught fire on social media, the networks picked it up and it spiraled out of control. They should have let it die but couldn't. It's an embarrassment to the league but hey, the NFL isn't the only league to fuck up suspensions. It's a god damn equipment violation. In the NHL, it would be a 2 min. PP. In baseball, the worst offenders among pitchers get 10 games (1/16th of the season) and that's when caught red-handed. Bat corkers get 7-8 games. The whole thing is stupid whether anyone knows that ideal gas has nothing to do with Taco Bell or not. Everyone needs to just f-ing move along.
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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 25, 2016 19:43:46 GMT
Seriously, the media are like a homeless guy with great patter. You're like "don't look, don't look, don'tlookdon'tlookdon'tlookdon'tlookdon'tlookDON'T...crap, eye contact. He's coming over." Then he says something that pushes a button and the little voice inside is saying don't respond, don't respond, don't respond, don't respond, don't respond, don't respond," but then you realize you've just engaged him in conversation, and now he's got nothing but time and a lot of his bedding is newspapers with extensive stories about Bernie Sanders's policies and history and the 70lb chinchilla found in his apartment (maybe; it might be a fold issue). And he will have the last word...he will.
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Apr 25, 2016 22:10:01 GMT
Post by islamorada on Apr 25, 2016 22:10:01 GMT
Money, power, respect......The NFL is not getting respect. I expect this to keep going on. Time to buy a Brady shirt. Although now I have to turn off WEEI sports radio as I will hear traces of thought on the Celtics, Red Sox managerial discussions ad nauseam , nothing on the Bs until draft day, and a 90% on the Patriots especially centered the NFL getting respect caused day hv da money and power.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Apr 29, 2016 2:55:56 GMT
I love the NFL!
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Jul 13, 2016 14:57:22 GMT
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Post by 50belowzero on Jul 13, 2016 14:57:22 GMT
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Post by NAS on Jul 13, 2016 15:36:46 GMT
"...and his legacy as one of the great quarterbacks of this generation will be tarnished."
No it won't be, at least not in the view of any logical human.
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Jul 13, 2016 16:07:05 GMT
Post by Fletcher on Jul 13, 2016 16:07:05 GMT
If logic and reason play any role at all here, and they usually do over time, it will be Goodell with the permanently tarnished image. He's taken the MVP of his league and blown a hole in his career for the equivalent of a stick curve violation (except there is not even evidence of any violation). This is the hubris and stubbornness of a failed leader, who went too far down a foolish path to turn back, no matter how the evidence damns him.
Oh well, I like Brady in the martyr role and Belichick seems to thrive in the us-against-the-world scenario.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jul 13, 2016 16:12:22 GMT
It seems to me, that this schmozzle always has and always will be, not about inflated footballs, but about infringing on or questioning Goodell's power as commissioner. Once Brady won the 1st appeal, the war was on and it wasn't about the footballs,but about someone having the temerity to question his power. Goodell wasn't about to stop until he got the decision he believed was right.
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Post by Fletcher on Jul 13, 2016 17:12:00 GMT
It seems to me, that this schmozzle always has and always will be, not about inflated footballs, but about infringing on or questioning Goodell's power as commissioner. Once Brady won the 1st appeal, the war was on and it wasn't about the footballs,but about someone having the temerity to question his power. Goodell wasn't about to stop until he got the decision he believed was right. I sometimes wonder if even Goddell thinks it's "right". I think intelligent people with any kind of law or science or employment background will never side with Goddell on this, and Goddell is intelligent, obviously. But he has the fans on his side, and a majority of them don't care much about things like due process, evidence, or logic. If you hate Brady and the Patriots, the ends justify the means. More importantly, when Goddell played his hand in this case, he threw the entire CBA and the clout of the NFL owners into the pot (intentionally or not). The owner-friendly CBA and the ability of the commissioner to retain power over the NFLPA is riding on the decision here. So even when the NFL is notified of some very basic scientific evidence that corrupts the very basis of their argument, they must fight on. There is too much at stake now. These court cases are not a referendum on Brady's guilt -- they are a referendum on Goddell's power. And the current CBA gives him a lot of power. The NFL can't just say "uh, we really didn't understand natural gas laws and we didn't realize that the Colts footballs were also deflated...". They have to push on. It kind of reminds me of the OJ trial in some ways (except that was an important matter). There is a pile of evidence on one side and the other side just says "look over here! The glove doesn't fit". When all of the evidence ran cold, the NFL found that Brady got rid of cell phone storage, after being cleared to do so by Ted Wells, and said "Brady destroyed his cell phone, and therefore he's guilty of cheating". And the lapdogs at ESPN went with it. If they really think he deflated footballs, illegally, then they should have just slapped him with the equipment violation fine that is written in the rules and move on.
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Jul 13, 2016 17:50:04 GMT
Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jul 13, 2016 17:50:04 GMT
It seems to me, that this schmozzle always has and always will be, not about inflated footballs, but about infringing on or questioning Goodell's power as commissioner. Once Brady won the 1st appeal, the war was on and it wasn't about the footballs,but about someone having the temerity to question his power. Goodell wasn't about to stop until he got the decision he believed was right. I don't like Goodell but he was pushed in the Baltimore, initial video, cover up by the owner. The Colts owner pushed for a bigger penalty in deflate gate. Goodell is a bit of puppet.
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Post by islamorada on Jul 13, 2016 18:18:30 GMT
It is boiling down to the NFL monopoly v. rights of the players as individuals. Brady has plenty of litigation support to beyond the 4 game suspension. The challenge may lose in the Supreme Court, but I think the necessary expenditure for a horrible NFL investigation will cost Goodell his job. As I see this case it is a matter of Brady getting due process of law in a legalized monooly, I think it is different than right of the employer to dismiss a employee on any level. There is also a civil lawsuit.
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Post by kelvana33 on Jul 14, 2016 0:21:43 GMT
It seems to me, that this schmozzle always has and always will be, not about inflated footballs, but about infringing on or questioning Goodell's power as commissioner. Once Brady won the 1st appeal, the war was on and it wasn't about the footballs,but about someone having the temerity to question his power. Goodell wasn't about to stop until he got the decision he believed was right. I don't like Goodell but he was pushed in the Baltimore, initial video, cover up by the owner. The Colts owner pushed for a bigger penalty in deflate gate. Goodell is a bit of puppet. Nobody is talking about the botched Ray Rice situation anymore, so mission accomplished there.
Fletch nailed it, he pissed off the Pats, look out. Jimmy G will do fine.
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Aug 16, 2016 15:33:06 GMT
Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Aug 16, 2016 15:33:06 GMT
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Post by islamorada on Aug 17, 2016 21:12:42 GMT
The NFL will have its hand full with well armed millennialists who have a definite understanding of individual rights. Haha.
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Aug 19, 2016 13:08:33 GMT
Post by kelvana33 on Aug 19, 2016 13:08:33 GMT
Funny how things work. Not too long ago Brady and the Pats are cheaters and Goodell did the right thing. Now, after Al Jazeera mentions some players possibly tied to PED's from other teams, Goodell has too much power.
It's all about laundry.
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Sept 12, 2016 13:47:11 GMT
Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Sept 12, 2016 13:47:11 GMT
I don't know why I need to post this pic but I do.
Bill
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Post by somar on Sept 12, 2016 20:48:06 GMT
Great game yesterday.
Jimmy G. looked good. Hogan is a massive improvement over La Fell and Bennett + a couple of rookies were solid as well.
Overall, when at full strenght I think the Pats have a better team this year.
On a side note that Fitzgerald dude is just amazing. I don't care what team you support but you gotta like watching that man play. Almost lost all my air watching him make catches all over the place in the final quarter.
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Post by kelvana33 on Sept 13, 2016 2:16:09 GMT
Great game yesterday. Jimmy G. looked good. Hogan is a massive improvement over La Fell and Bennett + a couple of rookies were solid as well. Overall, when at full strenght I think the Pats have a better team this year. On a side note that Fitzgerald dude is just amazing. I don't care what team you support but you gotta like watching that man play. Almost lost all my air watching him make catches all over the place in the final quarter. Never been a diva, look at me spoiled brat me either. Awesome player.
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Post by kelvana33 on Sept 13, 2016 17:39:53 GMT
How about Belichik? New kick off rules where it has the teams starting out on the 25 instead of the 20 he has Gostkowksi kick it where they have to play it and what was it, 4 out of the 5 kicks they didn't even make it to the 25. How long did they work on that this summer? Unreal, he leaves no stone unturned.
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Sept 13, 2016 21:17:07 GMT
Post by bookboy007 on Sept 13, 2016 21:17:07 GMT
How about Belichik? New kick off rules where it has the teams starting out on the 25 instead of the 20 he has Gostkowksi kick it where they have to play it and what was it, 4 out of the 5 kicks they didn't even make it to the 25. How long did they work on that this summer? Unreal, he leaves no stone unturned. I'm just impressed that Belichick managed to win a game with Janeane Garofalo at quarterback. She was cute back in the Larry Sanders days and when she did her cereal for breakfast thing on Seinfeld. I know Bill wants people to know that Brady may be the qb but he's the mastermind, but I thought this might be going too far. Guess I was wrong!
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