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Post by bostonfan191646 on May 21, 2015 1:54:04 GMT
Wait a minute - it's not Stanley?
So true. What a stunning development. I would've thought they'd prefer a half sane man child but what do I know? Half sane is honestly the nicest thing anyone has ever or could ever say about him on this board
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Post by badhabitude on May 21, 2015 1:55:41 GMT
I dunno you guys know more than me, I remember in 2011-2012, Julien BriesBois interviewed for the Habs, and he's interviewed for most of the open GM positions since. He's been in charge of two AHL teams that have been transformed and built into winners before the age of 40. When you look at the profile of AGMs who make the jump, they have similar resumes. To answer 50Belows question, Bergevin was hired for his work under two Cup winning GMs, his command of the salary cap, but also his experience among the players and his status as one of the most popular people in hockey. After Pierre Gauthier there were legitimate concerns about the Habs image, especially among free agents and with other GMs in trades. As for Don Sweeney, what does he bring to the table? He's interviewed with zero clubs outside the Bruins, and before Chiarelli was fired, no one even heard of him. It would appear that he was a third banana after Jim Benning before this year. He was in charge of Providence. Has Providence been that impressive? How many prospects from Providence are coming up and making an impact? Seems only guys that aren't "Bruins players" like Ryan Spooner and Pastarnak have many any noise in the past three years. Which only makes the hire more confusing. I can appreciate the optimistic fans over the bums that want to fire anyone and everyone, but find me an article in the next week from the media outside of Boston praising this hire and I'll Paypal you 20$. The AHL GM position is kind of a joke, at least in Boston. I haven't heard of the Providence Bruins making any moves exclusively for the benefit of the AHL team made by Sweeney, all the deals were made by PC with an eye toward the future for the big club.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on May 21, 2015 1:56:34 GMT
I find the calls that Sweeney is going to be nothing more than a yes-man just plain dimwittery. Yes, dimwittery. There is nothing to support it, no insider info, zero. "But Neely said he wanted more control". What executive doesn't? Then again, if we believe that Neely got Chiarelli fired because he didn't like him, the calls of Neely the Figurehead are dead on arrival. God I wish he was just a figure head. Celebrate in the press box, yell at officials that can't hear you, call lucic a bitch when he's not playing physical, and stay the hell out of hockey operations.
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Post by Fletcher on May 21, 2015 1:57:23 GMT
I'm not one of the more enthusiastic people here about this whole thing, but I also don't like the preference for retreads or the need for a candidate to be desired elsewhere. I think lots of good guys come up through the system and they only get their first shot because the team they work for develops a belief that they can do it.
I was staunchly against firing Chiarelli and have not been impressed with the early leadership of Neely-JJ-Sinden, but I actually prefer Sweeney to Shero or McPhee, despite the short resume.
I don't actually think that being a GM is so incredibly complicated. He's not a surgeon or an astronaut. He has to have a vision for the team, manage the salary cap, evaluate talent well, and manage his staff. Not an easy task, but also not one that requires a real special resume or prior GM experience.
In short, I didn't like the process, but I don't think Sweeney is any less likely to succeed than someone with lots of experience who's being courted by other crappy teams. I think Sweeney has just a good chance to succeed. I'd take smarts and good judgement over everything else for this job, including experience.
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Post by NAS on May 21, 2015 2:36:48 GMT
I find the calls that Sweeney is going to be nothing more than a yes-man just plain dimwittery. Yes, dimwittery. There is nothing to support it, no insider info, zero. "But Neely said he wanted more control". What executive doesn't? Then again, if we believe that Neely got Chiarelli fired because he didn't like him, the calls of Neely the Figurehead are dead on arrival. God I wish he was just a figure head. Celebrate in the press box, yell at officials that can't hear you, call lucic a bitch when he's not playing physical, and stay the hell out of hockey operations. When the B's won the Cup in 2011, Neely was the President. How much of that did he affect? Oh, right. You have no idea. You're spewing venom based on what?
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Post by NAS on May 21, 2015 2:38:26 GMT
When Chiarelli came on board, people crucified the B's for cheaping out on Shero.
Before the world's tears soak into the ice, how about seeing what Sweeney can do?
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on May 21, 2015 2:43:28 GMT
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Post by bostonfan191646 on May 21, 2015 4:52:01 GMT
Nice shoes cam you fucking loser
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Post by bostonfan191646 on May 21, 2015 4:54:02 GMT
God I wish he was just a figure head. Celebrate in the press box, yell at officials that can't hear you, call lucic a bitch when he's not playing physical, and stay the hell out of hockey operations. When the B's won the Cup in 2011, Neely was the President. How much of that did he affect? Oh, right. You have no idea. You're spewing venom based on what? Based on him firing Chiarelli. I believe dreger on this. If you look at the hockey side of things, firing him is absolutely indefensible
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Post by NAS on May 21, 2015 10:58:54 GMT
When the B's won the Cup in 2011, Neely was the President. How much of that did he affect? Oh, right. You have no idea. You're spewing venom based on what? Based on him firing Chiarelli. I believe dreger on this. If you look at the hockey side of things, firing him is absolutely indefensible Bad trades, bad contracts, bad drafts, miss the playoffs while against the cap. He was far from perfect. There are a ton of things that you don't know that could have gone on. But, if nothing else, spare us the drama of treating Neely like you caught him banging your girlfriend. Your disapproval of the firing of Chiarelli has been logged. Save the BDC "Post the same thing 100 times a day" routine and childish bullshit like "nice shoes Neely" for a quick return to BDC or maybe for waiting at the bus stop for the 6th grade bus in September.
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Post by badhabitude on May 21, 2015 11:53:05 GMT
I find the calls that Sweeney is going to be nothing more than a yes-man just plain dimwittery. Yes, dimwittery. There is nothing to support it, no insider info, zero. "But Neely said he wanted more control". What executive doesn't? Then again, if we believe that Neely got Chiarelli fired because he didn't like him, the calls of Neely the Figurehead are dead on arrival. You convinced me. Now convince Gasper www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/20/bruins-are-now-cam-neely-team/kUwdU54YM9JLHSj32ah2PK/story.html#
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Post by Fletcher on May 21, 2015 12:23:52 GMT
You can't dispute the unmatching shoes though. Inexcusable, and I'm no formal dresser.
Sweeney looks like he's posing for an awkward prom photo. Where do I put my hands!?
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Post by NAS on May 21, 2015 12:29:41 GMT
I find the calls that Sweeney is going to be nothing more than a yes-man just plain dimwittery. Yes, dimwittery. There is nothing to support it, no insider info, zero. "But Neely said he wanted more control". What executive doesn't? Then again, if we believe that Neely got Chiarelli fired because he didn't like him, the calls of Neely the Figurehead are dead on arrival. You convinced me. Now convince Gasper www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/20/bruins-are-now-cam-neely-team/kUwdU54YM9JLHSj32ah2PK/story.html#That guy constantly writes garbage...as far as I know. I don't spend any time reading what "they" say. I watch the games. Gossip is for high school girls and 50Below. I only know of Gapser's work because people here (and earlier) light him up for his thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 12:48:18 GMT
The one thing I do admire about the PC firing. Is that the new regime won't settle for mediocrity anymore. The whole Sinden regime was pretty much like that. PC had a job to do & that was to keep the B's a legit contender. There obviously were some decisions that we were made by the GM where he was told if you buy it, you're going to wear it either in your office, or out on the sidewalk.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 12:49:11 GMT
You can't dispute the unmatching shoes though. Inexcusable, and I'm no formal dresser. Sweeney looks like he's posing for an awkward prom photo. Where do I put my hands!? You should shove yours right up your own ass!
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Post by stevegm on May 21, 2015 13:17:16 GMT
I dunno you guys know more than me, I remember in 2011-2012, Julien BriesBois interviewed for the Habs, and he's interviewed for most of the open GM positions since. He's been in charge of two AHL teams that have been transformed and built into winners before the age of 40. When you look at the profile of AGMs who make the jump, they have similar resumes. To answer 50Belows question, Bergevin was hired for his work under two Cup winning GMs, his command of the salary cap, but also his experience among the players and his status as one of the most popular people in hockey. After Pierre Gauthier there were legitimate concerns about the Habs image, especially among free agents and with other GMs in trades. As for Don Sweeney, what does he bring to the table? He's interviewed with zero clubs outside the Bruins, and before Chiarelli was fired, no one even heard of him. It would appear that he was a third banana after Jim Benning before this year. He was in charge of Providence. Has Providence been that impressive? How many prospects from Providence are coming up and making an impact? Seems only guys that aren't "Bruins players" like Ryan Spooner and Pastarnak have many any noise in the past three years. Which only makes the hire more confusing. I can appreciate the optimistic fans over the bums that want to fire anyone and everyone, but find me an article in the next week from the media outside of Boston praising this hire and I'll Paypal you 20$. Nothing above should be considered too controversial. Where I feel kind of bugged, is none of that is Don Sweeney's fault. I think he's a bright guy. I want to see him succeed, but he's going into about the most volatile situation imaginable. Usually GM's get replaced without a disenting whisper. The new guy has a decent honeymoon period. Don's team, is going to have to jump right back to contender, because the hockey media is already sharpening their knives. Not so much because of him...but those that pulled the trigger, if this doesn't show immediate results. Edmontons succes, or lack of, will be a regular comparison. I like the fact he beat long odds to carve out a career in the game. He had to work hard to get to the show, so it's obvious he won't have much time for entitlement, and nights off. He's known to have good people skills too, and those qualities are desperately needed with the current leadership. Despite all the rhetoric being said otherwise, I think he knows very little has to actually change to get things back on track. I really think Neely does too. I'm comfortable with that thought, so generally, I'm comfortable with hiring him. If they haven't already, they need to get a plan going on Lucic and Louis. Obviously Hamilton too. All 3 will get nice raises(ML and LE next year) which to me speaks volumes about their Cap situation. You are only in a cap mess, when you're paying players way too much. The Bruins have a lot of bargains. Only a couple players most would agree are over paid, and neither are the big contracts, for multiple years. The problem is having players others covet, and will pay more for. It's about making prudent decisions. Who to keep, who to let go, not money per se.
These press conferences are smoke and mirrors. You can't hang on every word, and all this "culture" stuff, is "fluffernutter". Sweeney did an outstanding job in his introduction. He was quick on his feet, appeared absolutely confident, and said nothing. He mentioned the Cap repeatedly, but no meat. The team underachieved spectacularly, so just about every generality fits, and was used. Still seems like most of them point to a question of coaching though. With 2 pressers already under his belt, it looked like Charlie had nowhere to go but up. Unfortunately, this one was probably the most awkward, disjointed and clumsy to date. He did though, scale back a bit on the big words, so at least his writers are starting to get it.
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Post by Fletcher on May 21, 2015 13:20:40 GMT
You can't dispute the unmatching shoes though. Inexcusable, and I'm no formal dresser. Sweeney looks like he's posing for an awkward prom photo. Where do I put my hands!? You should shove yours right up your own ass! Good lord, we need a moderator.
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Post by Fletcher on May 21, 2015 13:22:32 GMT
The one thing I do admire about the PC firing. Is that the new regime won't settle for mediocrity anymore. The whole Sinden regime was pretty much like that. PC had a job to do & that was to keep the B's a legit contender. There obviously were some decisions that we were made by the GM where he was told if you buy it, you're going to wear it either in your office, or out on the sidewalk. Well, PC actually won a championship, unlike the previous regime despite a seemingly endless tenure. So as far as settling for mediocrity...
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Post by 50belowzero on May 21, 2015 13:37:50 GMT
That guy constantly writes garbage...as far as I know. I don't spend any time reading what "they" say. I watch the games. Gossip is for high school girls and 50Below. I only know of Gapser's work because people here (and earlier) light him up for his thoughts. Haha,thats good,real good……c'mon man! Heard anything juicy?
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Post by stevegm on May 21, 2015 13:41:12 GMT
The one thing I do admire about the PC firing. Is that the new regime won't settle for mediocrity anymore. The whole Sinden regime was pretty much like that. PC had a job to do & that was to keep the B's a legit contender. There obviously were some decisions that we were made by the GM where he was told if you buy it, you're going to wear it either in your office, or out on the sidewalk. What in Gods name would make you think something like that? The only thing that will validate that thought is a quick turnaround. A slow start next year, and the whole world will think they "fed mediocrity".
Firing PC, means they wanted someone else. Plain and simple. There's nothing "obvious", about any decisions.
Long live Don Sweeney.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on May 21, 2015 13:46:58 GMT
Based on him firing Chiarelli. I believe dreger on this. If you look at the hockey side of things, firing him is absolutely indefensible Bad trades, bad contracts, bad drafts, miss the playoffs while against the cap. He was far from perfect. There are a ton of things that you don't know that could have gone on. But, if nothing else, spare us the drama of treating Neely like you caught him banging your girlfriend. Your disapproval of the firing of Chiarelli has been logged. Save the BDC "Post the same thing 100 times a day" routine and childish bullshit like "nice shoes Neely" for a quick return to BDC or maybe for waiting at the bus stop for the 6th grade bus in September. Seriously...I mean, I voted that I wasn't happy about PC not getting another year but it's been pretty comical how some have lashed out a Neely. It's over Sweeney is the GM because Neely saw some things he did not like from Chiarelli.
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Post by 50belowzero on May 21, 2015 13:49:11 GMT
The one thing I do admire about the PC firing. Is that the new regime won't settle for mediocrity anymore. The whole Sinden regime was pretty much like that. PC had a job to do & that was to keep the B's a legit contender. There obviously were some decisions that we were made by the GM where he was told if you buy it, you're going to wear it either in your office, or out on the sidewalk. I wouldn't go that far Nite,5 SC finals in his time as GM,they just didn't have the horses to win.Remember Harry was working under JJ's mandated salary cap long before the league adopted it and was quite successful.29 yrs straight making the playoffs,not bad. I would have liked to have seen some Cups during that time and i read an article once where Harry lamented that fact,but he just refused to overpay in his mind to get a player or two to push the B's over the top. Another thing i tired of was the constant acrimonious contract negotiations every year and annual training camp holdouts. One of the knocks on PC was his never having an acrimonious contract negotiation,he paid everyone what they wanted and NTC's & NMC's to boot. We'll see how Sweeney does with his first crack at it,Fats is coming up.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on May 21, 2015 13:51:11 GMT
I find the calls that Sweeney is going to be nothing more than a yes-man just plain dimwittery. Yes, dimwittery. There is nothing to support it, no insider info, zero. "But Neely said he wanted more control". What executive doesn't? Then again, if we believe that Neely got Chiarelli fired because he didn't like him, the calls of Neely the Figurehead are dead on arrival. You convinced me. Now convince Gasper www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/20/bruins-are-now-cam-neely-team/kUwdU54YM9JLHSj32ah2PK/story.html#Your quoting an article written by a baseball/football writer ? Not someone I would look at for an opinion on hockey let alone any other Boston Sports team.
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Post by stevegm on May 21, 2015 14:16:28 GMT
Your quoting an article written by a baseball/football writer ? Not someone I would look at for an opinion on hockey let alone any other Boston Sports team. Just read the article. Like most, there really isn't anything in there that's too controversial. Pretty vanilla really. But then again, so has the whole process. Cam wanted his own man. Saw an opportunity to get it done. What's kept the conversation going here, and over at the other place, are those that insisted upon the story being nothing other than "Neely worship" or 'Neely hater" The media hasn't hung around that sewer. They've merely questioned the wisdom......that the most important competitive issue facing the Boston Bruins..moving forward.....is replacing the GM.
The only problem I have with the Boston media.....is they lead the charge for management bloodletting. Contrary to the rest of the hockey universe..the hometown media seemed most supportive of this type of move. Now, overall, it seems they're falling in line with the rest of the hockey establishment which is hard to respect, unless they articulate their reasoning for the flip flop. They haven't.
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Post by walktheline on May 21, 2015 14:18:39 GMT
The one thing I do admire about the PC firing. Is that the new regime won't settle for mediocrity anymore. The whole Sinden regime was pretty much like that. PC had a job to do & that was to keep the B's a legit contender. There obviously were some decisions that we were made by the GM where he was told if you buy it, you're going to wear it either in your office, or out on the sidewalk. I wouldn't go that far Nite,5 SC finals in his time as GM,they just didn't have the horses to win.Remember Harry was working under JJ's mandated salary cap long before the league adopted it and was quite successful.29 yrs straight making the playoffs,not bad. I would have liked to have seen some Cups during that time and i read an article once where Harry lamented that fact,but he just refused to overpay in his mind to get a player or two to push the B's over the top. Another thing i tired of was the constant acrimonious contract negotiations every year and annual training camp holdouts. One of the knocks on PC was his never having an acrimonious contract negotiation,he paid everyone what they wanted and NTC's & NMC's to boot. We'll see how Sweeney does with his first crack at it,Fats is coming up. While it was clear that JJ had deep pockets and alligator arms, eventually I came to the conclusion that Harry was complicit in the Bruins unofficial double secret salary cap. Whether he was on board with it from day one or was a convert, I don't know. But well before a salary cap was even a discussion for the league it was clear that Harry was a big advocate of cost control as a means of preserving the long-term viability of the NHL. I think there was a point where had he gone to JJ to request some dough to push the team over the hump in the late 80's JJ would have consented. But Harry was dead set on having success with a moderate financial structure so he could prove to the rest of the league that it could be done. And he did prove his point but possibly at the price of a Stanley Cup. Two finals at that time was a great accomplishment but we'll always wonder if they had upped the budget and brought in a couple pieces would they have won a cup in one of those finals.
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