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Post by 50belowzero on May 21, 2015 14:26:00 GMT
I wouldn't go that far Nite,5 SC finals in his time as GM,they just didn't have the horses to win.Remember Harry was working under JJ's mandated salary cap long before the league adopted it and was quite successful.29 yrs straight making the playoffs,not bad. I would have liked to have seen some Cups during that time and i read an article once where Harry lamented that fact,but he just refused to overpay in his mind to get a player or two to push the B's over the top. Another thing i tired of was the constant acrimonious contract negotiations every year and annual training camp holdouts. One of the knocks on PC was his never having an acrimonious contract negotiation,he paid everyone what they wanted and NTC's & NMC's to boot. We'll see how Sweeney does with his first crack at it,Fats is coming up. While it was clear that JJ had deep pockets and alligator arms, eventually I came to the conclusion that Harry was complicit in the Bruins unofficial double secret salary cap. Whether he was on board with it from day one or was a convert, I don't know. But well before a salary cap was even a discussion for the league it was clear that Harry was a big advocate of cost control as a means of preserving the long-term viability of the NHL. I think there was a point where had he gone to JJ to request some dough to push the team over the hump in the late 80's JJ would have consented. But Harry was dead set on having success with a moderate financial structure so he could prove to the rest of the league that it could be done. And he did prove his point but possibly at the price of a Stanley Cup. Two finals at that time was a great accomplishment but we'll always wonder if they had upped the budget and brought in a couple pieces would they have won a cup in one of those finals. I believe the B's made it to the SC final 3 times against Montreal as well under Harry's watch,could have been two,but nonetheless we get the idea. Harry loosens the purse strings a bit and brings in a couple good players,there might have been more Cups. Harry just couldn't see the forest for the trees when it came to spending money to help the B's,stubbornness was part of his downfall as GM.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on May 21, 2015 14:31:37 GMT
Your quoting an article written by a baseball/football writer ? Not someone I would look at for an opinion on hockey let alone any other Boston Sports team. facing the Boston Bruins..moving forward.....is replacing the GM.
The only problem I have with the Boston media.....is they lead the charge for management bloodletting. Contrary to the rest of the hockey universe..the hometown media seemed most supportive of this type of move. Now, overall, it seems they're falling in line with the rest of the hockey establishment which is hard to respect, unless they articulate their reasoning for the flip flop. They haven't. The replacement happened when the Bruins could only generate 4 shots against Carolina in a game on the road, last winter when the Bruins were trying to stay in the playoff race. Terry Francona was fired by the Boston media on several occasions before, during and right after he led the Sox to two World Series Championships.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:28:27 GMT
That guy constantly writes garbage...as far as I know. I don't spend any time reading what "they" say. I watch the games. Gossip is for high school girls and 50Below. I only know of Gapser's work because people here (and earlier) light him up for his thoughts. Maybe he's green around the gills watching the puppet show Shanahan is running. *Fired a coach *Named and interim coach *Fired him *Hired the next coach *Says he's not the GM Shanny proves that you can throw your weight around running a team when you have no experience in the front office of hockey. Then the press excuses it, if not endorses it, provided you were the right kind of player. Neely wants in.
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Post by bookboy007 on May 21, 2015 15:33:05 GMT
I dunno you guys know more than me, I remember in 2011-2012, Julien BriesBois interviewed for the Habs, and he's interviewed for most of the open GM positions since. He's been in charge of two AHL teams that have been transformed and built into winners before the age of 40. When you look at the profile of AGMs who make the jump, they have similar resumes. To answer 50Belows question, Bergevin was hired for his work under two Cup winning GMs, his command of the salary cap, but also his experience among the players and his status as one of the most popular people in hockey. After Pierre Gauthier there were legitimate concerns about the Habs image, especially among free agents and with other GMs in trades. As for Don Sweeney, what does he bring to the table? He's interviewed with zero clubs outside the Bruins, and before Chiarelli was fired, no one even heard of him. It would appear that he was a third banana after Jim Benning before this year. He was in charge of Providence. Has Providence been that impressive? How many prospects from Providence are coming up and making an impact? Seems only guys that aren't "Bruins players" like Ryan Spooner and Pastarnak have many any noise in the past three years. Which only makes the hire more confusing. I can appreciate the optimistic fans over the bums that want to fire anyone and everyone, but find me an article in the next week from the media outside of Boston praising this hire and I'll Paypal you 20$. How many articles in the hockey world praised the Chiarelli hiring? Most of the press were all over the idea that he was second or third banana then, and that he got hired because he was cheaper and more malleable than Shero. Brisebois hasn't gotten any of those jobs despite his resume. That should also tell you something.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on May 21, 2015 15:36:08 GMT
@dj_Bean "Neely says CapGeek's absence made it difficult for candidates to have a full knowledge of Bruins' situation entering interviews." Way to come prepared Shero and McPhee ![O_o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/browraise.png)
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:38:36 GMT
I dunno you guys know more than me, I remember in 2011-2012, Julien BriesBois interviewed for the Habs, and he's interviewed for most of the open GM positions since. He's been in charge of two AHL teams that have been transformed and built into winners before the age of 40. When you look at the profile of AGMs who make the jump, they have similar resumes. To answer 50Belows question, Bergevin was hired for his work under two Cup winning GMs, his command of the salary cap, but also his experience among the players and his status as one of the most popular people in hockey. After Pierre Gauthier there were legitimate concerns about the Habs image, especially among free agents and with other GMs in trades. As for Don Sweeney, what does he bring to the table? He's interviewed with zero clubs outside the Bruins, and before Chiarelli was fired, no one even heard of him. It would appear that he was a third banana after Jim Benning before this year. He was in charge of Providence. Has Providence been that impressive? How many prospects from Providence are coming up and making an impact? Seems only guys that aren't "Bruins players" like Ryan Spooner and Pastarnak have many any noise in the past three years. Which only makes the hire more confusing. I can appreciate the optimistic fans over the bums that want to fire anyone and everyone, but find me an article in the next week from the media outside of Boston praising this hire and I'll Paypal you 20$. How many articles in the hockey world praised the Chiarelli hiring? Most of the press were all over the idea that he was second or third banana then, and that he got hired because he was cheaper and more malleable than Shero. Brisebois hasn't gotten any of those jobs despite his resume. That should also tell you something. BriesBois, per Friedman and other gossip mongerers, will stay in Tampa for at least one more playoff run. I could be wrong, but what a shitty hire, very Toronto-esque, valuing personal relationships and status as a player on a team over credentials. (Sure, Sweeney has credentials, credentials of about 400 other people in hockey). Maybe we'll see an article like this one about the Bruins in a few years: montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/pat-hickey-just-about-everyone-is-laughing-at-the-maple-leafs
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 16:21:08 GMT
The one thing I do admire about the PC firing. Is that the new regime won't settle for mediocrity anymore. The whole Sinden regime was pretty much like that. PC had a job to do & that was to keep the B's a legit contender. There obviously were some decisions that we were made by the GM where he was told if you buy it, you're going to wear it either in your office, or out on the sidewalk. What in Gods name would make you think something like that? The only thing that will validate that thought is a quick turnaround. A slow start next year, and the whole world will think they "fed mediocrity".
Firing PC, means they wanted someone else. Plain and simple. There's nothing "obvious", about any decisions.
Long live Don Sweeney. Yep, they wanted someone who would continue to make the team succeed with the same identity. They wanted someone who listened to their bosses when told not to extend the coach for another 3 yrs until they went to at least another cup final. SOMETHING caused the riff. It didn't just happen for no reason & it wasn't there to begin with. You don't high five people & joke with people you don't "like". You stay clear of them & only associate when you have to. Which was the case from Jan until the end of the season.
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Post by MrHulot on May 21, 2015 16:39:29 GMT
What in Gods name would make you think something like that? The only thing that will validate that thought is a quick turnaround. A slow start next year, and the whole world will think they "fed mediocrity".
Firing PC, means they wanted someone else. Plain and simple. There's nothing "obvious", about any decisions.
Long live Don Sweeney. Yep, they wanted someone who would continue to make the team succeed with the same identity. They wanted someone who listened to their bosses when told not to extend the coach for another 3 yrs until they went to at least another cup final. SOMETHING caused the riff. It didn't just happen for no reason & it wasn't there to begin with. You don't high five people & joke with people you don't "like". You stay clear of them & only associate when you have to. Which was the case from Jan until the end of the season. PC was the anti-Sinden. I still don't understand why he had to give Claude the 3-year extension in November.
I wonder what Sweeney will be like when it comes to contract negotiations.
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Post by badhabitude on May 21, 2015 16:39:57 GMT
Your quoting an article written by a baseball/football writer ? Not someone I would look at for an opinion on hockey let alone any other Boston Sports team. Since when do you back up NAS? Anyways, the both of you are missing the point. Call it dimwittery, call Gasper an idiot (and I agree), but the point is that people are saying it. One of them in the media. The point is that such speculation doesn't come out of thin air. We all can agree that we don't know what's going on behind those closed doors, but people speculate. And dimwittery or not, it's out there.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on May 21, 2015 19:05:53 GMT
Based on him firing Chiarelli. I believe dreger on this. If you look at the hockey side of things, firing him is absolutely indefensible Bad trades, bad contracts, bad drafts, miss the playoffs while against the cap. He was far from perfect. There are a ton of things that you don't know that could have gone on. But, if nothing else, spare us the drama of treating Neely like you caught him banging your girlfriend. Your disapproval of the firing of Chiarelli has been logged. Save the BDC "Post the same thing 100 times a day" routine and childish bullshit like "nice shoes Neely" for a quick return to BDC or maybe for waiting at the bus stop for the 6th grade bus in September. Okay, but don't keep bringing up the "i don't understand the cam Neely hatred," thing because then I'm going to say why I hate him. Deal?
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Post by badhabitude on May 21, 2015 19:32:17 GMT
Sinden, Sweeney, Neely - the old gang is getting back together. If they trade a promising young goalie to Edmonton it's going to be deja vu all over again. I'm talking Ranford to Edmonton like Subban to Edmonton.
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Post by badhabitude on May 21, 2015 19:57:36 GMT
Meanwhile, Don's first day of work seems to be that he's moving all his stuff into his new office. He's wondering about the Bruins logo stapler and tape dispenser and if a GM should have that on his desk or if he should give it over to a secretary or something...
I mean shouldn't we be hearing something a little more? We know he interviewed with players. We heard a 100 times about "communication is key" in the press conferences - so where is it?
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Post by walktheline on May 21, 2015 20:10:23 GMT
Meanwhile, Don's first day of work seems to be that he's moving all his stuff into his new office. He's wondering about the Bruins logo stapler and tape dispenser and if a GM should have that on his desk or if he should give it over to a secretary or something... I mean shouldn't we be hearing something a little more? We know he interviewed with players. We heard a 100 times about "communication is key" in the press conferences - so where is it? Patience, grasshopper. You probably yell "C'mon, hurry the fawk up!" at the popcorn in your microwave. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on May 21, 2015 20:14:23 GMT
Your quoting an article written by a baseball/football writer ? Not someone I would look at for an opinion on hockey let alone any other Boston Sports team. Since when do you back up NAS? Anyways, the both of you are missing the point. Call it dimwittery, call Gasper an idiot (and I agree), but the point is that people are saying it. One of them in the media. The point is that such speculation doesn't come out of thin air. We all can agree that we don't know what's going on behind those closed doors, but people speculate. And dimwittery or not, it's out there. I think that Fluto was telling the truth and not speculating in his article about Neely visiting the locker room in between periods against the Canes.
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Post by badhabitude on May 21, 2015 20:18:23 GMT
Meanwhile, Don's first day of work seems to be that he's moving all his stuff into his new office. He's wondering about the Bruins logo stapler and tape dispenser and if a GM should have that on his desk or if he should give it over to a secretary or something... I mean shouldn't we be hearing something a little more? We know he interviewed with players. We heard a 100 times about "communication is key" in the press conferences - so where is it? Patience, grasshopper. You probably yell "C'mon, hurry the fawk up!" at the popcorn in your microwave. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Me at the microwave. First, minimal finger movement on the keypad, 1 minute heating means punching 1 0 0, but wait! Punching 66 is one less digit you have to hit. Also punching 222 means less finger movement for the 2 minute items, saving you from moving your finger all the way from the 2 to the 0. Next. What tasks can we achieve during the nuke cooking time? I can change out of my work clothes into my play clothes in the 222 time, plus time to let the food cool since it's been in there for 22 seconds too long. Patience? Who has the time to yell at the microwave? None of us is getting any younger. Time marches on.
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Post by badhabitude on May 21, 2015 20:19:44 GMT
Since when do you back up NAS? Anyways, the both of you are missing the point. Call it dimwittery, call Gasper an idiot (and I agree), but the point is that people are saying it. One of them in the media. The point is that such speculation doesn't come out of thin air. We all can agree that we don't know what's going on behind those closed doors, but people speculate. And dimwittery or not, it's out there. I think that Fluto was telling the truth and not speculating in his article about Neely visiting the locker room in between periods against the Canes. Yes, I agree. On Fluto's opinions I don't always agree, but I believe he is telling the truth.
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Post by badhabitude on May 21, 2015 20:24:43 GMT
When will the media ask?
Cam said umpteen times about communication. And that it didn't happen with PC.
So what was it? Was it a lot of things? Was there a straw that broke the camel's back?
Just speculating. One of the signings? We know Cam was behind the Seguin trade, but maybe PC pulled the trigger on the particular deal without going up the chain? They said it, not me. It has to have been something. What was it?
And for Sweeney, when will someone ask what specifically did you disagree with PC about? Again, Sweeney said it, they should clarify it.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on May 21, 2015 20:38:06 GMT
Why Neely moved on is obvious to me in his statements after PC was let go.
Why Sweeney was hired also fits.
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Post by badhabitude on May 21, 2015 21:01:06 GMT
Why Neely moved on is obvious to me in his statements after PC was let go. Why Sweeney was hired also fits. I don't understand what you just said - Neely moved on?
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Post by Bslegion on May 21, 2015 21:47:01 GMT
I was one that wanted someone from the outside but after his press conference and hearing his interview on the Sports Hub this morning I'm sold on Sweeney . I just like the way he spoke. Now, let's see all right things he said in words become concrete actions. I'm very interested to see how he goes about improving this team over the summer.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 21:53:29 GMT
Why Neely moved on is obvious to me in his statements after PC was let go. Why Sweeney was hired also fits. I don't understand what you just said - Neely moved on? The Bruins front office is not the only place that needs better communication.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 22:07:27 GMT
I don't understand what you just said - Neely moved on? The Bruins front office is not the only place that needs better communication. Communicating Dirty laundry to the public isn't considered communication. It's considered bad business. Neely said he felt the team was moving in a direction they didn't want to go In. Why isn't that enough communication for you?
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Post by Fletcher on May 21, 2015 22:14:35 GMT
Oh come on nite. The communication doesn't need to be negative for sure, but it has certainly been confusing.
Again, I'm not anti-Sweeney at all. I kinda like it. But the process of the past month seems to have left everyone confused -- fans, media, etc. They could do better.
Not that I really care much though. On to the draft!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 22:51:00 GMT
I can see PC saying to himself about going to Neely for approval: "Oh shit, I gotta go deal with that lug wrench again?" Frig it, I'll just do the deal...C'est la vie!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 11:52:33 GMT
The Bruins front office is not the only place that needs better communication. Communicating Dirty laundry to the public isn't considered communication. It's considered bad business. Neely said he felt the team was moving in a direction they didn't want to go In. Why isn't that enough communication for you? Who said anything about dirty laundry to the public ? No need to fill in the blanks with what's going on in your head. Boy, you're sensitive when it comes to any kind of questionable comments regarding Neely. No........ Bruins Nation is not a team. No........I am not a teammate of Cam's. No ........I am not your teammate. This rah rah camaraderie thing you have going doesn't apply to me and my keyboard.
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