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Post by chappy28 on Mar 21, 2018 2:39:24 GMT
While I'd rather not, I agree with BF#s. Of all the options possible, i would never have come up with that combination. I think you go with what got you here until proven wrong. Only exception is Donato plays unless he proves last night was a fluke. Marchand-Bergeron-Pasta DeBrusk-DK-Nash61 Donato-Nash20-Backes Heinen-Kuraly-Accairi Z-Mcavoy Holden-Carlo Krug-Miller Okay that was hard, I don't want to sit anyone. I like them all. I would switch Schaller on the 4th and move Heinen on rw over Accairi to start the playoffs ...the rest I agree but man Grzelcyk deserves to play too ... tough call there Agree on both counts....REALLY hard to sit Gryz right now. He's been playing better than Carlo IMO Z-McAvoy Holden-Krug Gryz-Miller Carlo-McQuaid off the bench or if we find we need more size from a matchup standpoint....for example, if we run into Pittsburgh the smurfs can't handle Malkin
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Post by #4 Bobby Orr! GOAT! on Mar 21, 2018 3:58:06 GMT
Switch Nash and Heinen
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Post by The OC on Mar 21, 2018 14:49:46 GMT
Donato would be my scratch unless he just keep being ridiculous. Then he probably bumps Heinen? Lines 1, 2 and 4 don’t change for sure. The beauty of DeBrusk-Krejci-Rick is they are miserable to play against as well as skill. Don’t fuck with that. Same with Heinen-Nash-Backes; you don’t care if they get stuck on for a defensive draw against Stammer.
On the back end Char-McAvoy, Krug and Carlo play for sure. Holden would be my next guy in, and I’m happy with whoever plays from the rest.
In goal Tuukka better up his game, Doby has the better save % now...
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Post by islamorada on Mar 21, 2018 15:01:18 GMT
The offense should be fine if the injured are playing. If Donato keeps the pace then find a place on a line that can support his learning curve on defense. Otherwise he is Seguin in 2011. On defense, I wrangle over Carlo. When he is on, the others like McQuaid, KMiller, and Holden are not on par with his play. Then again when he goes on sensory overload and forgets coverage, well, I'll take KMiller or Holden. He is inconsistent enough to create doubts on whether he can handle the playoffs. I'd rather the Bs take a chance.
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Post by chappy28 on Mar 21, 2018 15:06:48 GMT
The offense should be fine if the injured are playing. If Donato keeps the pace then find a place on a line that can support his learning curve on defense. Otherwise he is Seguin in 2011. On defense, I wrangle over Carlo. When he is on, the others like McQuaid, KMiller, and Holden are not on par with his play. Then again when he goes on sensory overload and forgets coverage, well, I'll take KMiller or Holden. He is inconsistent enough to create doubts on whether he can handle the playoffs. I'd rather the Bs take a chance. Carlo is actually the most mistake prone defenseman we have right now. And often his mistakes end up in the back of the net
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Mar 21, 2018 15:17:08 GMT
Seems like the consensus is DeBrusk stays and Heinen might be in jeopardy if Donato continues to play they way he did the other night. And the, “who sits ?” on the back end is between Miller and McQuaid. Not bad problems to have outside of the injuries.
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Post by pletchner on Mar 21, 2018 16:26:28 GMT
Seems like the consensus is DeBrusk stays and Heinen might be in jeopardy if Donato continues to play they way he did the other night. And the, “who sits ?” on the back end is between Miller and McQuaid. Not bad problems to have outside of the injuries. FWIW, I don't think it's down to Miller or McQuaid. A) Miller wins that, hands down; and B) it's between Grizz and Carlo. I think Grizz is the answer to that debate. But the depth right now is pretty amazing. Lots of good choices is a nice problem to have.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Mar 21, 2018 20:12:50 GMT
As the president of the Brandon Carlo fan club since like 2014, I thought I should weigh in on this debate.
Ya, he's had some hiccups this year. I've certainly seen some symptoms of a sophomore, not slump, but wall. He's jumped up in the play less, which sucks, because whenever he does, it's like "holy fuck, he's got a crazy first two steps for a big guy." I think he hit a bit of a wall and it rattled his confidence, and a couple big games might get him over that wall. He's such a good skater, it's going to happen eventually.
On the D-zone hiccups, I have some thoughts. Positionally, I don't think it's been an issue at all. What has been an issue, for the lack of a better term, is giggles. Now this isn't Kevan Miller giggles from his first two years, not at all (nobody jump down my throat, giggles has been fucking awesome the last year or two). This isn't an excuse, but rather an explanation. Torey Krug has a significant shortcoming in his D to D passes, and reverses when it involves using the boards. It's weird, if he needs to give a guy a boards pass 90 feet up ice it will be tape to tape, but if it's a reverse, or a quick play behind the net it's put in a weird spot for his d partner with alarming regularity. McAvoy would handle it no problem, but Carlo has struggled with being put in those weird spots, and I've seen a smidge of panic with the puck in such situations. He's gotta get rid of that. Maybe that means he shouldn't be playing with Krug? Maybe that means he has to just get the fuck over it. Maybe he needs to sit a bit. I tend to think they should try out a Carlo - Holden pairing. Give it a period or a game here and there. Then it comes down to are there any instances when you want a Krug-Grizz pairing. My quick answer is no, but maybe against tampa they could handle a couple of their lines and really get the puck out of the zone quick? not sure. I've been a huge grizz fan, but I think he starts the post season in the stands and you role out: Chara - Fatavoy Holden - Carlo Krug - Miller.
Are there some games that with this specific team you think about dressing 7 d men? I think there might be. You've got a lot of D men that can really play and you've got some forwards that are going to deserve more ice time than they get. It's worth thinking about. If there's a third period when you're trailing by a goal or two, it would be a significant luxury to be able to have grizz or Krug on the ice for 16 minutes, give Carlo, and Miller a break, and roll three pretty potent offensive lines while spotting in a couple of your grittier forwards.
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Post by Lord Markwart on Mar 21, 2018 20:23:44 GMT
Assuming everyone comes back healthy and no more guys go down... What do you have? This might be the deepest team in recent memory. I have... March-Bergie-Pasta Donato-DK-Backes DeBrusk-Nash-Nash Schaller-Kurali-Acciari Chara-McAvoy Krug-Grizzle Miller-Holden Tuuka Popcorn: McQuaid, Gionta, Heinen, Wingels, Carlo, Khubodin I appreciate how tough this is. There's so much depth and so many decisions to make, but I think you've done a good job of putting together the worst lineup they could run out for the playoffs. Weve got donato in a top six role over a kid that's done a good job all year because of one game? Weve got backes on the second line because? I honestly have no idea. He sucked in top six duty last year, and this season they found a role where he succeeded. Why screw with that? nash got bumped down...why? heinen scratched? He hasn't been on the 60 point pace he was earlier, but he's got a good two way game. carlo may have had his sophomore hiccups, but he is there second most trusted d man defensively. It can be debated if they're are correct to think that way. Krug and grizz on a pairing together? And one of them playing their off side no less? Hope they've got a surgeon ready to repair tuukkas rotator cuff, it'll get torn apart fishing the puck out of his net. They have a lot of options for sure. The only thing I agree with is splitting up Krug and Grizz. I like having a Big that can bang with DK and Backes can do some of the board work and protect the little guy. The easy play is to put Debrusk with DK but there seemed to be instant and perhaps a more complementary skill set with Donato and DK. Nash on 3rd line makes it hell for the opponents and you have 2 other great Wall players with talent...think about a checking line that can score. Carlo has been the most mistake prone out of all the Bruins D recently = popcorn.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 20:28:50 GMT
I appreciate how tough this is. There's so much depth and so many decisions to make, but I think you've done a good job of putting together the worst lineup they could run out for the playoffs. Weve got donato in a top six role over a kid that's done a good job all year because of one game? Weve got backes on the second line because? I honestly have no idea. He sucked in top six duty last year, and this season they found a role where he succeeded. Why screw with that? nash got bumped down...why? heinen scratched? He hasn't been on the 60 point pace he was earlier, but he's got a good two way game. carlo may have had his sophomore hiccups, but he is there second most trusted d man defensively. It can be debated if they're are correct to think that way. Krug and grizz on a pairing together? And one of them playing their off side no less? Hope they've got a surgeon ready to repair tuukkas rotator cuff, it'll get torn apart fishing the puck out of his net. They have a lot of options for sure. The only thing I agree with is splitting up Krug and Grizz. I like having a Big that can bang with DK and Backes can do some of the board work and protect the little guy. The easy play is to put Debrusk with DK but there seemed to be instant and perhaps a more complementary skill set with Donato and DK. Nash on 3rd line makes it hell for the opponents and you have 2 other great Wall players with talent...think about a checking line that can score. Carlo has been the most mistake prone out of all the Bruins D recently = popcorn. Carlo's play has quite honestly picked up of late ... especially since Mcavoy went down ... he is in for sure ..
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Mar 21, 2018 20:30:59 GMT
I appreciate how tough this is. There's so much depth and so many decisions to make, but I think you've done a good job of putting together the worst lineup they could run out for the playoffs. Weve got donato in a top six role over a kid that's done a good job all year because of one game? Weve got backes on the second line because? I honestly have no idea. He sucked in top six duty last year, and this season they found a role where he succeeded. Why screw with that? nash got bumped down...why? heinen scratched? He hasn't been on the 60 point pace he was earlier, but he's got a good two way game. carlo may have had his sophomore hiccups, but he is there second most trusted d man defensively. It can be debated if they're are correct to think that way. Krug and grizz on a pairing together? And one of them playing their off side no less? Hope they've got a surgeon ready to repair tuukkas rotator cuff, it'll get torn apart fishing the puck out of his net. They have a lot of options for sure. The only thing I agree with is splitting up Krug and Grizz. I like having a Big that can bang with DK and Backes can do some of the board work and protect the little guy. The easy play is to put Debrusk with DK but there seemed to be instant and perhaps a more complementary skill set with Donato and DK. Nash on 3rd line makes it hell for the opponents and you have 2 other great Wall players with talent...think about a checking line that can score. Carlo has been the most mistake prone out of all the Bruins D recently = popcorn. 1. Um, big guy that can bang to play with Krejci? how about the guy they traded for with bang so that he could play with krejci, instead of the guy that has flat out proven he can't handle the top six? just a thought. Maybe the guy they gave up a first, a promising roster player, and a good prospect for, for literally that exact role....i don't know. that's just me. 2. so you want a guy that can bang and score and has good board play for the third line? How about the guy that's been doing that on the third line all season except for when his colon went on the fritz? There is absolutely no logical reason to put Backes on the second line, and Nash on the third line, other than it would be kind of funny to see national broadcasters go crazy of the Nash and Nash combo. 3. Krug is, has, and always will be the most mistake prone in his own end. Behind the net he's been pretty rough his entire career. However he gets like 18 assists a period, so he's doing pretty well.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Mar 21, 2018 20:32:12 GMT
Let's just get this out of the way....a healthy carlo doesn't sit in the playoffs. Let's talk about things that are reasonable.
Miller vs Mcquaid. Grizz vs Holden. there's plenty to talk about there (I have absolutely no clue who to pick between those two match ups)
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Post by pletchner on Mar 21, 2018 20:33:20 GMT
<<Are there some games that with this specific team you think about dressing 7 d men? I think there might be. You've got a lot of D men that can really play and you've got some forwards that are going to deserve more ice time than they get. It's worth thinking about. >>
No. No, no, no, no, No! 7 D is awful, whether you are a D or a forward. It just doesn't work, and it never has.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 20:33:39 GMT
The only thing I agree with is splitting up Krug and Grizz. I like having a Big that can bang with DK and Backes can do some of the board work and protect the little guy. The easy play is to put Debrusk with DK but there seemed to be instant and perhaps a more complementary skill set with Donato and DK. Nash on 3rd line makes it hell for the opponents and you have 2 other great Wall players with talent...think about a checking line that can score. Carlo has been the most mistake prone out of all the Bruins D recently = popcorn. Carlo's play has quite honestly picked up of late ... especially since Mcavoy went down ... he is in for sure .. I am still not sure the b's wouldn't be better with Grizz over Holden in their top 6 .. .depends on the matchup ...
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Post by pletchner on Mar 21, 2018 20:37:55 GMT
Let's just get this out of the way....a healthy carlo doesn't sit in the playoffs. Let's talk about things that are reasonable. Miller vs Mcquaid. Grizz vs Holden. there's plenty to talk about there (I have absolutely no clue who to pick between those two match ups) Carlo has to play better before he is even considered for a post season spot. He has TON of potential. And he has shown it. But right now, he's #7, at best, if the blue line is healthy.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Mar 21, 2018 20:45:51 GMT
<<Are there some games that with this specific team you think about dressing 7 d men? I think there might be. You've got a lot of D men that can really play and you've got some forwards that are going to deserve more ice time than they get. It's worth thinking about. >> No. No, no, no, no, No! 7 D is awful, whether you are a D or a forward. It just doesn't work, and it never has. well, philosophically, nothing works until it works. There was a point in time where the butterfly goalie style hadn't ever worked. Also, it has worked in the past. It's definitely worked in college, it's definitely worked on occasion in junior, and it did okay for Tampa a while back. They've run it on and off. They first did it with Marc-Andre Bergeron purely for the powerplay and it helped. That started under Torts. They've done it a bit this year too. Cooper used it in the AHL a few years back, and I think the team went 43-3 using that system, won 28 straight, and won the calder. I'm not saying necessarily that it will work, or even that's a good idea, but a lot of the circumstances under which it would work are in place. 1. awesome depth at d. 2. d men that play specific roles (Miller, McQuaid, Grizz, Krug) 3. bottom six forwards that deserve more ice time than bottom six guys (Nash, Backes, Heinen, maybe Donato, maybe Debrusk) 4. Some nightmarish offensive opponents 5. an awesome top line that deserves more ice time.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Mar 21, 2018 20:46:23 GMT
Let's just get this out of the way....a healthy carlo doesn't sit in the playoffs. Let's talk about things that are reasonable. Miller vs Mcquaid. Grizz vs Holden. there's plenty to talk about there (I have absolutely no clue who to pick between those two match ups) Carlo has to play better before he is even considered for a post season spot. He has TON of potential. And he has shown it. But right now, he's #7, at best, if the blue line is healthy. the coaching staff staunchly disagrees.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 20:49:06 GMT
Here is just a thought ... dont think Cassidy goes this way : What if Donato keeps scoring and Heinen keeps on track ... could a third line of Doanto-backes-Heiner be possible ..a little too small along the boards for playoff hockey I guess but this would would net a fourth line of Schaller-Nash and Gionta/Wingels/Acciari with Kuraly out ... Just throwing it out there
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Mar 21, 2018 21:05:02 GMT
Here is just a thought ... dont think Cassidy goes this way : What if Donato keeps scoring and Heinen keeps on track ... could a third line of Doanto-backes-Heiner be possible ..a little too small along the boards for playoff hockey I guess but this would would net a fourth line of Schaller-Nash and Gionta/Wingels/Acciari with Kuraly out ... Just throwing it out there It's a thought. Heinen plays waayyyyy bigger and tougher along the boards than he is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 21:10:43 GMT
Here is just a thought ... dont think Cassidy goes this way : What if Donato keeps scoring and Heinen keeps on track ... could a third line of Doanto-backes-Heiner be possible ..a little too small along the boards for playoff hockey I guess but this would would net a fourth line of Schaller-Nash and Gionta/Wingels/Acciari with Kuraly out ... Just throwing it out there It's a thought. Heinen plays waayyyyy bigger and tougher along the boards than he is. He most certainly does ... like the Heinen-Nash-Backes as a third line but with all the talent if/when healthy and if Ryan Donato keeps up the good play I would bounce Kuraly from the lineup
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Post by Lord Markwart on Mar 21, 2018 21:23:37 GMT
The only thing I agree with is splitting up Krug and Grizz. I like having a Big that can bang with DK and Backes can do some of the board work and protect the little guy. The easy play is to put Debrusk with DK but there seemed to be instant and perhaps a more complementary skill set with Donato and DK. Nash on 3rd line makes it hell for the opponents and you have 2 other great Wall players with talent...think about a checking line that can score. Carlo has been the most mistake prone out of all the Bruins D recently = popcorn. 1. Um, big guy that can bang to play with Krejci? how about the guy they traded for with bang so that he could play with krejci, instead of the guy that has flat out proven he can't handle the top six? just a thought. Maybe the guy they gave up a first, a promising roster player, and a good prospect for, for literally that exact role....i don't know. that's just me. 2. so you want a guy that can bang and score and has good board play for the third line? How about the guy that's been doing that on the third line all season except for when his colon went on the fritz? There is absolutely no logical reason to put Backes on the second line, and Nash on the third line, other than it would be kind of funny to see national broadcasters go crazy of the Nash and Nash combo. 3. Krug is, has, and always will be the most mistake prone in his own end. Behind the net he's been pretty rough his entire career. However he gets like 18 assists a period, so he's doing pretty well. I think you are underestimating Backes; he can play anywhere in the Top 9. If Donato and DK show some more magic, then they might need more spit and vinegar with them. Nash is not that guy. Backes is. Nash on the 3rd line versus 2nd does not mean a thing. His playing time will be the same and he will still get PP and Sh minutes. The only difference is that he is with Nash instead of DK. Time will tell to see who is better with DK but the kid certainly had a good first game.
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Post by pumpsiegreen on Mar 21, 2018 21:33:19 GMT
Marchand-Begeron-Pastrnak DeBrusk-Krejci-Rick Nash Heinen-Backes-Wingels Schaller-Riley Nash-Acciari Chara-McAvoy Holden-Carlo Krug-McQuaid Assuming everyone is healthy. Some just gonna have to sit. Giggles is out. I’d like to have Grizz in but he can’t play PK. You could switch Wingles and Riley Nash out. Either can play center. Miller is much better than McQuaid. And I would prefer Grizz over Holden.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Mar 21, 2018 21:50:39 GMT
1. Um, big guy that can bang to play with Krejci? how about the guy they traded for with bang so that he could play with krejci, instead of the guy that has flat out proven he can't handle the top six? just a thought. Maybe the guy they gave up a first, a promising roster player, and a good prospect for, for literally that exact role....i don't know. that's just me. 2. so you want a guy that can bang and score and has good board play for the third line? How about the guy that's been doing that on the third line all season except for when his colon went on the fritz? There is absolutely no logical reason to put Backes on the second line, and Nash on the third line, other than it would be kind of funny to see national broadcasters go crazy of the Nash and Nash combo. 3. Krug is, has, and always will be the most mistake prone in his own end. Behind the net he's been pretty rough his entire career. However he gets like 18 assists a period, so he's doing pretty well. I think you are underestimating Backes; he can play anywhere in the Top 9. If Donato and DK show some more magic, then they might need more spit and vinegar with them. Nash is not that guy. Backes is. Nash on the 3rd line versus 2nd does not mean a thing. His playing time will be the same and he will still get PP and Sh minutes. The only difference is that he is with Nash instead of DK. Time will tell to see who is better with DK but the kid certainly had a good first game. Ya sorry I just can't buy that. In this uniform he's sucked in the top six. He's been real good in a role when he's not in a position where he's relied on to score. He's quite good there. The Bruins just gave up the world for a guy for that top six role....it just makes zero sense to switch those two. If guys get hurt backes can fill in. Cmon, put your best foot forward
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Post by islamorada on Mar 21, 2018 21:56:24 GMT
Let's just get this out of the way....a healthy carlo doesn't sit in the playoffs. Let's talk about things that are reasonable. Miller vs Mcquaid. Grizz vs Holden. there's plenty to talk about there (I have absolutely no clue who to pick between those two match ups) The only way I would disagree is if Carlo has one of his sensory overload games, lost in space wondering where the puck is going to go. The Grizz vs. Holden competition comes down to the opposition. If it is Grizz then add Holden to the KMIller v McQuaid competiton. In that case I would take Holden and KMiller. I love McQuaid against certain teams though. He is a pretty good PK defenseman against a team like Washington. Nice analysis of Carlo above, I don't agree with all the analysis but I do agree with his up tempo game.
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Post by islamorada on Mar 21, 2018 22:01:32 GMT
I think you are underestimating Backes; he can play anywhere in the Top 9. If Donato and DK show some more magic, then they might need more spit and vinegar with them. Nash is not that guy. Backes is. Nash on the 3rd line versus 2nd does not mean a thing. His playing time will be the same and he will still get PP and Sh minutes. The only difference is that he is with Nash instead of DK. Time will tell to see who is better with DK but the kid certainly had a good first game. Ya sorry I just can't buy that. In this uniform he's sucked in the top six. He's been real good in a role when he's not in a position where he's relied on to score. He's quite good there. The Bruins just gave up the world for a guy for that top six role....it just makes zero sense to switch those two. If guys get hurt backes can fill in. Cmon, put your best foot forward Backes was signed to be a right winger but it was the management reaching for a winger for Krejci. Swing and a miss, but the situation is not entirely over. His pay still fits in the salary cap considering the realm of the Cap world in the NHL. I like his leadership and playoff record. He is a gamer. I am not doing the Lucic vs. Backes debate which I find boring. I do think his contract will be an albatross a few years down the road. If he does a Chara and helps the prospects make the grade then I am ok with the Cap issues. If there is a Cup all debate will end. Only one team wins the Cup though.
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