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Post by The OC on May 3, 2021 12:39:35 GMT
What do the Bs lose during the Seattle draft is important strategy. I tend to add who else is available from other teams. One variant is Cap swapping and draft picks used to prevent Seattle from picking a particular player. Ryan Graves is probably going to be one of those players whose value is too much to give up. Subban may be another where by a draft pick or prospect is used to rid of his contract. There are many mock draft scenarios out there. Many are as faulted but not to the degree of the receent NFL draft prognostications. Here is one of the mock draft predictions by Kirk Luedeke et al. Note they have Ritchie as the draft pick. Personally I would leave Frederic dangling. Also not no Bs defensemen. I believe the Kraken heads can draft 14 Forwards, 9 defensemen, and 3 goalies. blah blah That's an interesting look. I think it shows how many great D are going to be available. We see our own silo, but there are some great options, and at least 5D from around the league that are clearly more appealing than anyone available from Boston. If the draft were happening today, I might toy with the idea of exposing DeBrusk to ensure the B's don't lose a D. Ritchie is currently cheaper and more useful, and I like Freddy long-term. If Hall is signed beyond this season, not much room to grow for Jake. |
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Post by islamorada on May 3, 2021 12:41:10 GMT
OK, rethinking this with Reilly in the mix, I was thinking maybe the Bs should think about the 8 skater strategy instead and keep both Reilly and Gryzz. Unfortunately, that would leave either Smith or Coyle unprotected. If the Bs third D is Gryzz, they lose Reilly. If they protect Reilly, they lose Gryzz. They are going to lose a serious talent and it appears that wouldnt be Lauzon in either case. None of the other names come into play. Reilly's a UFA. He's not signing before the expansion draft. No one is, unless they are getting a NMC. Bingo, a gentleman's agreement could be made by the Bs pior with the expressed idea that Reilly leaves if he gets a better offer by the Kraken. Reilly can be signed prior as the Kraken have a three day window to sign UFAs. It would count towards the Bs list. BTW, Colin Miller may be available. He has bounced around. Lousy defenseman but he still has the booming shot. Scratched on Buffalo means his career may be done. I was way wrong on that one. |
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Post by seobrien on May 3, 2021 13:23:27 GMT
What do the Bs lose during the Seattle draft is important strategy. I tend to add who else is available from other teams. One variant is Cap swapping and draft picks used to prevent Seattle from picking a particular player. Ryan Graves is probably going to be one of those players whose value is too much to give up. Subban may be another where by a draft pick or prospect is used to rid of his contract. There are many mock draft scenarios out there. Many are as faulted but not to the degree of the receent NFL draft prognostications. Here is one of the mock draft predictions by Kirk Luedeke et al. Note they have Ritchie as the draft pick. Personally I would leave Frederic dangling. Also not no Bs defensemen. I believe the Kraken heads can draft 14 Forwards, 9 defensemen, and 3 goalies. Goaltenders Braden Holtby (Vancouver) $4,300,000 Vitek Vanecek (Washington) $716,667 Anton Khudobin (Dallas) $3,333,333 Joey Daccord (Ottawa) $750,000 Left Defense Michael Matheson (Pittsburgh) $4,875,000 Devon Toews (Colorado) $4,100,000 Riley Stillman (Chicago) $733,333 Vince Dunn (St Louis) $1,875,000 Caleb Jones (Edmonton) $850,000 Jake Bean (Carolina) $863,333Josh Mahura (Anaheim) $745,000 Right Defense Matt Dumba (Minnesota) $6,000,000 Erik Cernak (Tampa Bay) $2,950,000 Markus Nutivaara (Florida) $2,700,000 Left Wing Oskar Lindblom (Philadelphia) $3,000,000 Richard Panik (Detroit) $2,750,000 Nick Ritchie (Boston) $1,498,925 Brayden Burke (Arizona) $925,000 Dillon Dube (Calgary) $778,333 Center Adam Lowry (Winnipeg) $2,916,666 Kieffer Bellows (New York Islanders) $894,166 Alex True (San Jose) $763,333 Jake Evans (Montreal) $750,000 Colin Blackwell (New York Rangers) $725,000 Right Wing Kyle Okposo (Buffalo) $6,000,000 Luke Kunin (Nashville) $2,300,000 Cliff Pu (Columbus) $745,000 Joey Anderson (Toronto) $750,000 Martin Frk (Los Angeles) $725,000 Nathan Bastian (New Jersey) $714,166 I will NEVER EVER EVER not be grateful the Canes felt that Jake Bean was a better player than Charlie McAvoy in the '16 draft. |
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Post by The OC on May 3, 2021 13:49:25 GMT
Reilly's a UFA. He's not signing before the expansion draft. No one is, unless they are getting a NMC. Bingo, a gentleman's agreement could be made by the Bs pior with the expressed idea that Reilly leaves if he gets a better offer by the Kraken. Reilly can be signed prior as the Kraken have a three day window to sign UFAs. It would count towards the Bs list. BTW, Colin Miller may be available. He has bounced around. Lousy defenseman but he still has the booming shot. Scratched on Buffalo means his career may be done. I was way wrong on that one. Chiller was probably the most wrong I've ever been on a player. Even now, there was one game against the B's where I thought he looked great. And Buffalo's D is soft and sucky, I can't imagine he would make them worse. Colin has a cannon, great speed, hits and seems to have a great attitude. Something is obviously off if he can't stick. I really like Reilly for the B's. I think he's good, and I think there's the bonus of him being a bit like a fat chick that lost weight and doesn't know she's hot yet. Great time to ask her out, and she won't be put off when you pick her up in your Chevette. This is by far his best year, his best situation and his best team. I bet it feels like a dream come true. When the season wraps you can say we'll wait till after the Kraken pick and then sign you $3mil for 4 years and he'd be pumped. Krejci and Rask too, they don't want to go anywhere so you sign them after the expansion blood bath. |
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Post by seobrien on May 3, 2021 13:53:24 GMT
Also, if The Squid took Ritchie and he was the lone B to go, I would shed nary a tear.
He's having a good season but there are so many other guys on the roster that I'd feel worse losing.
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 3, 2021 14:01:49 GMT
Don’t think it will be a forward. It will be Grzelcyk or Lauzon gone. Unless DS can convince de Coffee Lovers to take Zboril/Vaakanainen plus a pick to leave Lauzon or Grzelcyk alone.
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Post by The OC on May 3, 2021 14:07:20 GMT
Don’t think it will be a forward. It will be Grzelcyk or Lauzon gone. Unless DS can convince de Coffee Lovers to take Zboril/Vaakanainen plus a pick to leave Lauzon or Grzelcyk alone. Look at the list above. The D are pretty good, the forwards are awful. You dangle DeBrusk, they take him 100%. Gryz or Lauzon may be good players, but there are other good D options. DeBrusk could be their best forward. |
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Post by dezaruchi on May 3, 2021 14:10:48 GMT
Don’t think it will be a forward. It will be Grzelcyk or Lauzon gone. Unless DS can convince de Coffee Lovers to take Zboril/Vaakanainen plus a pick to leave Lauzon or Grzelcyk alone. Look at the list above. The D are pretty good, the forwards are awful. You dangle DeBrusk, they take him 100%. Gryz or Lauzon may be good players, but there are other good D options. DeBrusk could be their best forward. I agree. I've said all along that we tend to fall in love with our own prospects even though there are going to be a huge number of good players available to the Kraken. |
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Post by Lord Markwart on May 3, 2021 14:22:58 GMT
Don’t think it will be a forward. It will be Grzelcyk or Lauzon gone. Unless DS can convince de Coffee Lovers to take Zboril/Vaakanainen plus a pick to leave Lauzon or Grzelcyk alone. Me neither, I would not be surprised if it was a goalie either? I don't think it will be a forward unless the Crackheads roll the dice on DeBrusk (which would not be wise given the money considerations and risk). They will be prudent much like their counterparts in Vegas. The blueprint for success has been laid out for them. |
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Post by dezaruchi on May 3, 2021 14:27:12 GMT
Don’t think it will be a forward. It will be Grzelcyk or Lauzon gone. Unless DS can convince de Coffee Lovers to take Zboril/Vaakanainen plus a pick to leave Lauzon or Grzelcyk alone. Me neither, I would not be surprised if it was a goalie either? I don't think it will be a forward unless the Crackheads roll the dice on DeBrusk (which would not be wise given the money considerations and risk). They will be prudent much like their counterparts in Vegas. The blueprint for success has been laid out for them. Why would Debrusk be a financial risk for them? He's still RFA so he'd only end up costing a lot if he played really well. |
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 3, 2021 15:15:27 GMT
Don’t think it will be a forward. It will be Grzelcyk or Lauzon gone. Unless DS can convince de Coffee Lovers to take Zboril/Vaakanainen plus a pick to leave Lauzon or Grzelcyk alone. Look at the list above. The D are pretty good, the forwards are awful. You dangle DeBrusk, they take him 100%. Gryz or Lauzon may be good players, but there are other good D options. DeBrusk could be their best forward. Francis will have much better choices than DeBrusk to choose from. |
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 3, 2021 15:17:41 GMT
Don’t think it will be a forward. It will be Grzelcyk or Lauzon gone. Unless DS can convince de Coffee Lovers to take Zboril/Vaakanainen plus a pick to leave Lauzon or Grzelcyk alone. Me neither, I would not be surprised if it was a goalie either? I don't think it will be a forward unless the Crackheads roll the dice on DeBrusk (which would not be wise given the money considerations and risk). They will be prudent much like their counterparts in Vegas. The blueprint for success has been laid out for them. Having a solid defense is more important than a forward that may be going south in numbers. Now if the rumors are true. Maybe DeBrusk plays himself west, in the playoffs, where he wants to be. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 15:23:19 GMT
OK, rethinking this with Reilly in the mix, I was thinking maybe the Bs should think about the 8 skater strategy instead and keep both Reilly and Gryzz. Unfortunately, that would leave either Smith or Coyle unprotected. If the Bs third D is Gryzz, they lose Reilly. If they protect Reilly, they lose Gryzz. They are going to lose a serious talent and it appears that wouldnt be Lauzon in either case. None of the other names come into play. Reilly's a UFA. He's not signing before the expansion draft. No one is, unless they are getting a NMC. OK, now Im getting a headache. This is what I said in the first place, that Reilly wasnt even in play, and that it would be crazy for Reilly to sign only to get exposed in the draft. I was advised otherwise. If I was right the first time, Ill revert all the way back to what Ive been thinking all along... the Bs protect Mac, Carlo and Gryzz, and Lauzon becomes the obvious, no-brainer Colin Miller draft pick. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 15:32:18 GMT
Don’t think it will be a forward. It will be Grzelcyk or Lauzon gone. Unless DS can convince de Coffee Lovers to take Zboril/Vaakanainen plus a pick to leave Lauzon or Grzelcyk alone. Me neither, I would not be surprised if it was a goalie either? I don't think it will be a forward unless the Crackheads roll the dice on DeBrusk (which would not be wise given the money considerations and risk). They will be prudent much like their counterparts in Vegas. The blueprint for success has been laid out for them. If Vlad isnt exposed, then how could it possibly be a goalie? If that mock projection is close to correct, Khabibulin and Hair-gel is a nice tandem to start with. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 15:42:19 GMT
I really hope the people who think the Krakheads would take a Ritchie instead of Lauzon are right, but I cannot buy it.
I just think the young, physical defenseman is way more valuable a commodity. They could flip him towards a forward they like if they want.
Now DeBrusk? I can see them taking him. Im just not sure the Bs best move is to let him walk (and save the $) rather than trading him. However, a trade would probably result in another protection decision. I do see the Bs moving Jakes salary in order to sign Reilly and Hall and after Hall is signed, DK. DK and Rask signing actually save money from the previous seasons, so no sweat there.
The more I consider this, the more Id be behind exposing DeBrusk, who they have essentially given up on and can use the salary relief, to save Lauzon.
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Post by dezaruchi on May 3, 2021 15:48:01 GMT
I really hope the people who think the Krakheads would take a Ritchie instead of Lauzon are right, but I cannot buy it. I just think the young, physical defenseman is way more valuable a commodity. They could flip him towards a forward they like if they want. Now DeBrusk? I can see them taking him. Im just not sure the Bs best move is to let him walk (and save the $) rather than trading him. However, a trade would probably result in another protection decision. I do see the Bs moving Jakes salary in order to sign Reilly and Hall and after Hall is signed, DK. DK and Rask signing actually save money from the previous seasons, so no sweat there. The more I consider this, the more Id be behind exposing DeBrusk, who they have essentially given up on and can use the salary relief, to save Lauzon. A young physical D is more valuable to me as well but the draft rules make it more difficult than just grabbing the top commodity from each team. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 16:13:15 GMT
I really hope the people who think the Krakheads would take a Ritchie instead of Lauzon are right, but I cannot buy it. I just think the young, physical defenseman is way more valuable a commodity. They could flip him towards a forward they like if they want. Now DeBrusk? I can see them taking him. Im just not sure the Bs best move is to let him walk (and save the $) rather than trading him. However, a trade would probably result in another protection decision. I do see the Bs moving Jakes salary in order to sign Reilly and Hall and after Hall is signed, DK. DK and Rask signing actually save money from the previous seasons, so no sweat there. The more I consider this, the more Id be behind exposing DeBrusk, who they have essentially given up on and can use the salary relief, to save Lauzon. A young physical D is more valuable to me as well but the draft rules make it more difficult than just grabbing the top commodity from each team. I’ll make one more comment on this and let it die... as I look at the ‘17 draft results from Vegas, out of 30 players chosen, 3 were goalies, 14 were forwards and 13 were defense, almost the same as forwards which you would expect to be greater.. I still believe teams value defense higher and HeadKrakers take Lauzon if DeB is not available. |
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Post by dezaruchi on May 3, 2021 16:20:31 GMT
A young physical D is more valuable to me as well but the draft rules make it more difficult than just grabbing the top commodity from each team. I’ll make one more comment on this and let it die... as I look at the ‘17 draft results from Vegas, out of 30 players chosen, 3 were goalies, 14 were forwards and 13 were defense, almost the same as forwards which you would expect to be greater.. I still believe teams value defense higher and HeadKrakers take Lauzon if DeB is not available. I already agreed that D is more valuable. They only get one from every team though and it's not unbelievable to imagine Lauzon not being one of the top 12 D available. |
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Post by dezaruchi on May 3, 2021 16:24:52 GMT
To Sox I add that you might be 100% right about what will happen if Lauzon is exposed. I'm only saying that I don't think it's a given.
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Post by schlich on May 3, 2021 16:26:49 GMT
Bingo, a gentleman's agreement could be made by the Bs pior with the expressed idea that Reilly leaves if he gets a better offer by the Kraken. Reilly can be signed prior as the Kraken have a three day window to sign UFAs. It would count towards the Bs list. BTW, Colin Miller may be available. He has bounced around. Lousy defenseman but he still has the booming shot. Scratched on Buffalo means his career may be done. I was way wrong on that one. Chiller was probably the most wrong I've ever been on a player. Even now, there was one game against the B's where I thought he looked great. And Buffalo's D is soft and sucky, I can't imagine he would make them worse. Colin has a cannon, great speed, hits and seems to have a great attitude. Something is obviously off if he can't stick. I really like Reilly for the B's. I think he's good, and I think there's the bonus of him being a bit like a fat chick that lost weight and doesn't know she's hot yet. Great time to ask her out, and she won't be put off when you pick her up in your Chevette. This is by far his best year, his best situation and his best team. I bet it feels like a dream come true. When the season wraps you can say we'll wait till after the Kraken pick and then sign you $3mil for 4 years and he'd be pumped. Krejci and Rask too, they don't want to go anywhere so you sign them after the expansion blood bath. the bit about the Chevette put this post over the top. Bravo. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 16:48:17 GMT
Chiller was probably the most wrong I've ever been on a player. Even now, there was one game against the B's where I thought he looked great. And Buffalo's D is soft and sucky, I can't imagine he would make them worse. Colin has a cannon, great speed, hits and seems to have a great attitude. Something is obviously off if he can't stick. I really like Reilly for the B's. I think he's good, and I think there's the bonus of him being a bit like a fat chick that lost weight and doesn't know she's hot yet. Great time to ask her out, and she won't be put off when you pick her up in your Chevette. This is by far his best year, his best situation and his best team. I bet it feels like a dream come true. When the season wraps you can say we'll wait till after the Kraken pick and then sign you $3mil for 4 years and he'd be pumped. Krejci and Rask too, they don't want to go anywhere so you sign them after the expansion blood bath. the bit about the Chevette put this post over the top. Bravo. It was in fact a fine post. |
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Post by bookboy007 on May 3, 2021 19:16:28 GMT
Don’t think it will be a forward. It will be Grzelcyk or Lauzon gone. Unless DS can convince de Coffee Lovers to take Zboril/Vaakanainen plus a pick to leave Lauzon or Grzelcyk alone. Me neither, I would not be surprised if it was a goalie either? I don't think it will be a forward unless the Crackheads roll the dice on DeBrusk (which would not be wise given the money considerations and risk). They will be prudent much like their counterparts in Vegas. The blueprint for success has been laid out for them. The position limits are there to keep them from just picking the best player available on every team, though. They can only take 9 D, and of course, only 6-7 will be on their roster on opening day. Using that list below, I think there's a case to be made for Toews, Matheson, Dunn, Bean, and Dumba over any of the Boston D who might be exposed, and Jones, Cernak and Nutivaara are close with Lauzon and more proven than Zboril. I could see them taking one of Boston's D ahead of Mahura or Stillman if they then intend to make a deal so that they don't have valuable expansion draft capital playing in the AHL, but if I then look at the forwards the way OC did, yeah...I see Rick Nietzche or JDB as a top six forward in that mix. |
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Post by bookboy007 on May 3, 2021 19:19:02 GMT
A young physical D is more valuable to me as well but the draft rules make it more difficult than just grabbing the top commodity from each team. I’ll make one more comment on this and let it die... as I look at the ‘17 draft results from Vegas, out of 30 players chosen, 3 were goalies, 14 were forwards and 13 were defense, almost the same as forwards which you would expect to be greater.. I still believe teams value defense higher and HeadKrakers take Lauzon if DeB is not available. The breakdown leaves them 4 discretionary picks. 9+4=13, so in theory yeah, they could take all D since that seems to be where there's value. |
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Post by The OC on May 3, 2021 19:29:10 GMT
I’ll make one more comment on this and let it die... as I look at the ‘17 draft results from Vegas, out of 30 players chosen, 3 were goalies, 14 were forwards and 13 were defense, almost the same as forwards which you would expect to be greater.. I still believe teams value defense higher and HeadKrakers take Lauzon if DeB is not available. The breakdown leaves them 4 discretionary picks. 9+4=13, so in theory yeah, they could take all D since that seems to be where there's value. An interesting option is that they can draft - and then trade - the picks. They don't need 30 roster players. So prospects they can demote will have value for 7 slots, or players they can flip. So a follow up question in all of this discussion is who has more trade value, Lauzon or Ritchie or DeBrusk? I would wager Jake's the high value player. I'm not down on him like many seem to be, and I think many teams around the league would want him. I think most hockey teams would wager he's just in a rut, pushed down the depth chart on a team with two elite LW's, and if given a role where he's playing 18mins a game he could score 30. |
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Post by kelvana33 on May 3, 2021 19:39:48 GMT
An interesting option is that they can draft - and then trade - the picks. They don't need 30 roster players. So prospects they can demote will have value for 7 slots, or players they can flip. So a follow up question in all of this discussion is who has more trade value, Lauzon or Ritchie or DeBrusk? I would wager Jake's the high value player. I'm not down on him like many seem to be, and I think many teams around the league would want him. I think most hockey teams would wager he's just in a rut, pushed down the depth chart on a team with two elite LW's, and if given a role where he's playing 18mins a game he could score 30. They'll get a few players like Vegas who struggle to fit in somewhere, get a chance their and put up some numbers. Not sure if they'll get Shea Theodore lucky, but they'll have their share of players who come there and have career years. If Holtby can pull a Fleury that would help. |
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