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Post by islamorada on May 3, 2021 20:22:06 GMT
What do the Bs lose during the Seattle draft is important strategy. I tend to add who else is available from other teams. One variant is Cap swapping and draft picks used to prevent Seattle from picking a particular player. Ryan Graves is probably going to be one of those players whose value is too much to give up. Subban may be another where by a draft pick or prospect is used to rid of his contract. There are many mock draft scenarios out there. Many are as faulted but not to the degree of the receent NFL draft prognostications. Here is one of the mock draft predictions by Kirk Luedeke et al. Note they have Ritchie as the draft pick. Personally I would leave Frederic dangling. Also not no Bs defensemen. I believe the Kraken heads can draft 14 Forwards, 9 defensemen, and 3 goalies. Goaltenders Braden Holtby (Vancouver) $4,300,000 Vitek Vanecek (Washington) $716,667 Anton Khudobin (Dallas) $3,333,333 Joey Daccord (Ottawa) $750,000 Left Defense Michael Matheson (Pittsburgh) $4,875,000 Devon Toews (Colorado) $4,100,000 Riley Stillman (Chicago) $733,333 Vince Dunn (St Louis) $1,875,000 Caleb Jones (Edmonton) $850,000 Jake Bean (Carolina) $863,333Josh Mahura (Anaheim) $745,000 Right Defense Matt Dumba (Minnesota) $6,000,000 Erik Cernak (Tampa Bay) $2,950,000 Markus Nutivaara (Florida) $2,700,000 Left Wing Oskar Lindblom (Philadelphia) $3,000,000 Richard Panik (Detroit) $2,750,000 Nick Ritchie (Boston) $1,498,925 Brayden Burke (Arizona) $925,000 Dillon Dube (Calgary) $778,333 Center Adam Lowry (Winnipeg) $2,916,666 Kieffer Bellows (New York Islanders) $894,166 Alex True (San Jose) $763,333 Jake Evans (Montreal) $750,000 Colin Blackwell (New York Rangers) $725,000 Right Wing Kyle Okposo (Buffalo) $6,000,000 Luke Kunin (Nashville) $2,300,000 Cliff Pu (Columbus) $745,000 Joey Anderson (Toronto) $750,000 Martin Frk (Los Angeles) $725,000 Nathan Bastian (New Jersey) $714,166 I will NEVER EVER EVER not be grateful the Canes felt that Jake Bean was a better player than Charlie McAvoy in the '16 draft. What is even worse is Carolina trading Adam Fox for a 2nd and 3rd in 2019. He was orginally drafted by Calgary 66th overall 2016.
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Post by dezaruchi on May 3, 2021 20:31:06 GMT
I will NEVER EVER EVER not be grateful the Canes felt that Jake Bean was a better player than Charlie McAvoy in the '16 draft. What is even worse is Carolina trading Adam Fox for a 2nd and 3rd in 2019. He was orginally drafted by Calgary 66th overall 2016. Fox and Hamilton traded for Hanifin I believe.
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Post by dannycater on May 3, 2021 21:12:23 GMT
Last time Hamilton was involved in a bad deal, he got shot to death.
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Post by dezaruchi on May 3, 2021 21:14:04 GMT
Last time Hamilton was involved in a bad deal, he got shot to death. Josh Hamilton to the Angels wasn't a great deal for them.
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Post by bookboy007 on May 3, 2021 21:18:18 GMT
Last time Hamilton was involved in a bad deal, he got shot to death. Josh Hamilton to the Angels wasn't a great deal for them. Reds brought Josh back from the dead, and when they saw that the risk/reward of him continuing to get better had tipped, they flipped him for Volquez. Who was dynamite for a couple of years until he blew out his elbow. #Redsluck.
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Post by bookboy007 on May 3, 2021 21:32:48 GMT
What is even worse is Carolina trading Adam Fox for a 2nd and 3rd in 2019. He was orginally drafted by Calgary 66th overall 2016. Fox and Hamilton traded for Hanifin I believe. The Calgary-Carolina deal at the time looked like a 2 fer 2 with Fox thrown in as a sweetener. Hamilton and Ferland for Hanafin and Lindholm. Ferland and Lindholm were roughly equivalent in points, but Ferland was a better goal-scorer to that point, and a much more physical player. Much coveted for the high motor. Hamilton was putting up about 150% of the points Hanafin did, and it was sort of a known thing that Carolina was not in love with Noah. So it was a hell of a thing for Calgary to be the ones who put up the extra sweetener to get rid of Donkey Hamilton. Boston trades Hamilton for a 1 and 2 2s. Carolina trades Fox for a 2 and a 3. Calgary trades both AND Ferland for Hanafin and Lindholm. Would you do this? Bruins trade JDB, a first, three seconds and a third for Hanafin and Lindholm? That's the closest I can come to Calgary's management there in terms of value. But then no one saw Fox becoming McGuire's spank bank superstar.
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Post by dannycater on May 3, 2021 21:42:11 GMT
Last time Hamilton was involved in a bad deal, he got shot to death. Josh Hamilton to the Angels wasn't a great deal for them. Jack Hamilton nearly killed Tony Conigliaro, more or less ruined a promising career...Fucking Hamiltons!!!
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Post by dannycater on May 3, 2021 21:43:26 GMT
At least Alexander was good with money...bad with guns. Josh bad with money, really bad (wife actually gave him a short allowance in his wallet, pathetic)...good with drugs.
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Post by islamorada on May 3, 2021 21:53:36 GMT
Fox and Hamilton traded for Hanifin I believe. The Calgary-Carolina deal at the time looked like a 2 fer 2 with Fox thrown in as a sweetener. Hamilton and Ferland for Hanafin and Lindholm. Ferland and Lindholm were roughly equivalent in points, but Ferland was a better goal-scorer to that point, and a much more physical player. Much coveted for the high motor. Hamilton was putting up about 150% of the points Hanafin did, and it was sort of a known thing that Carolina was not in love with Noah. So it was a hell of a thing for Calgary to be the ones who put up the extra sweetener to get rid of Donkey Hamilton. Boston trades Hamilton for a 1 and 2 2s. Carolina trades Fox for a 2 and a 3. Calgary trades both AND Ferland for Hanafin and Lindholm. Would you do this? Bruins trade JDB, a first, three seconds and a third for Hanafin and Lindholm? That's the closest I can come to Calgary's management there in terms of value. But then no one saw Fox becoming McGuire's spank bank superstar. . Makes one think twice that Zboril is not an answer.
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Post by 50belowzero on May 3, 2021 22:04:59 GMT
The Calgary-Carolina deal at the time looked like a 2 fer 2 with Fox thrown in as a sweetener. Hamilton and Ferland for Hanafin and Lindholm. Ferland and Lindholm were roughly equivalent in points, but Ferland was a better goal-scorer to that point, and a much more physical player. Much coveted for the high motor. Hamilton was putting up about 150% of the points Hanafin did, and it was sort of a known thing that Carolina was not in love with Noah. So it was a hell of a thing for Calgary to be the ones who put up the extra sweetener to get rid of Donkey Hamilton. Boston trades Hamilton for a 1 and 2 2s. Carolina trades Fox for a 2 and a 3. Calgary trades both AND Ferland for Hanafin and Lindholm. Would you do this? Bruins trade JDB, a first, three seconds and a third for Hanafin and Lindholm? That's the closest I can come to Calgary's management there in terms of value. But then no one saw Fox becoming McGuire's spank bank superstar. . Makes one think twice that Zboril is not an answer. He certainly isn't, there is only one Allen Iverson.
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Post by 50belowzero on May 3, 2021 22:05:31 GMT
Fox and Hamilton traded for Hanifin I believe. The Calgary-Carolina deal at the time looked like a 2 fer 2 with Fox thrown in as a sweetener. Hamilton and Ferland for Hanafin and Lindholm. Ferland and Lindholm were roughly equivalent in points, but Ferland was a better goal-scorer to that point, and a much more physical player. Much coveted for the high motor. Hamilton was putting up about 150% of the points Hanafin did, and it was sort of a known thing that Carolina was not in love with Noah. So it was a hell of a thing for Calgary to be the ones who put up the extra sweetener to get rid of Donkey Hamilton. Boston trades Hamilton for a 1 and 2 2s. Carolina trades Fox for a 2 and a 3. Calgary trades both AND Ferland for Hanafin and Lindholm. Would you do this? Bruins trade JDB, a first, three seconds and a third for Hanafin and Lindholm? That's the closest I can come to Calgary's management there in terms of value. But then no one saw Fox becoming McGuire's spank bank superstar. Is Craig Button still in charge of the Flames?
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Post by schlich on May 3, 2021 23:03:46 GMT
Last time Hamilton was involved in a bad deal, he got shot to death. “Alright Hamilton”
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 15:22:52 GMT
I actually started a new thread on this, but is Trent Frederic now exponentially more valuable this morning after the lastest Tom Wilson Show?
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Post by dannycater on May 4, 2021 15:38:57 GMT
I actually started a new thread on this, but is Trent Frederic now exponentially more valuable this morning after the lastest Tom Wilson Show? how Wilson gets a free pass from the NHL...is he a son of a high-ranking NHL executive??
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 16:33:50 GMT
When Dez commented about the fine, I assumed he was kidding. He wasnt... OMG.
Where’s “Gregory’sdaddy” when you need him?
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Post by Wheatskins on May 8, 2021 3:56:05 GMT
I am looking forward to this scenario:
Seattle goes into the third period with a big lead and start blowing it......The Kraken are CRACKIN'.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 1:59:38 GMT
So, if Seattle signs a team’s UFA… that counts as their player lost in the expansion?
Am I understanding this?
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Post by pletchner on May 9, 2021 12:33:14 GMT
So, if Seattle signs a team’s UFA… that counts as their player lost in the expansion? Am I understanding this? No.
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Post by islamorada on May 9, 2021 14:11:20 GMT
So, if Seattle signs a team’s UFA… that counts as their player lost in the expansion? Am I understanding this? Right now I would go with Pletch’s post of “no”. I had read the Kraken have 5 days before UFA signings to sign any UFAs. If they do then the team who has his rights would not lose a player in the draft. I’ll try to find the source.
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Post by pletchner on May 9, 2021 15:17:14 GMT
So, if Seattle signs a team’s UFA… that counts as their player lost in the expansion? Am I understanding this? Right now I would go with Pletch’s post of “no”. I had read the Kraken have 5 days before UFA signings to sign any UFAs. If they do then the team who has his rights would not lose a player in the draft. I’ll try to find the source. I found it. So " no" isn't a complete answer, and is more wrong than right. Example: A playerr like Taylor Hall is left unprotected by [Buffalo]. Seattle could discuss a potential contract term for a new deal with Hall. If they reach an agreement, Seattle would then choose Hall in the Expansion Draft. If they cannot reach a deal, Seattle would find some other player to select from Buffalo.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 16:18:22 GMT
Right now I would go with Pletch’s post of “no”. I had read the Kraken have 5 days before UFA signings to sign any UFAs. If they do then the team who has his rights would not lose a player in the draft. I’ll try to find the source. I found it. So " no" isn't a complete answer, and is more wrong than right. Example: A playerr like Taylor Hall is left unprotected by [Buffalo]. Seattle could discuss a potential contract term for a new deal with Hall. If they reach an agreement, Seattle would then choose Hall in the Expansion Draft. If they cannot reach a deal, Seattle would find some other player to select from Buffalo. But Hall would not be protected in any case in that scenario. He is a UFA. The Bs aren’t protecting Rask or DK.
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Post by dannycater on May 9, 2021 16:22:51 GMT
Fuck the Kraken...and fuck the sugar drink it is too.
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Post by shuperman on May 9, 2021 16:33:21 GMT
I found it. So " no" isn't a complete answer, and is more wrong than right. Example: A playerr like Taylor Hall is left unprotected by [Buffalo]. Seattle could discuss a potential contract term for a new deal with Hall. If they reach an agreement, Seattle would then choose Hall in the Expansion Draft. If they cannot reach a deal, Seattle would find some other player to select from Buffalo. But Hall would not be protected in any case in that scenario. He is a UFA. The Bs aren’t protecting Rask or DK. Bruins likely ask them to wait until expansion draft is complete so they can protect other guys and then resign when ufa season starts. I bet the Caps do the same with Chara and Ovi.
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Post by 50belowzero on May 9, 2021 17:11:47 GMT
Yeah, i don't see Hall, Rask or DK signing with the Kraken if they have a suitable deal amenable to both sides waiting with the B's after the draft.
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 9, 2021 17:14:24 GMT
Yeah, i don't see Hall, Rask or DK signing with the Kraken if they have a suitable deal amenable to both sides waiting with the B's after the draft. Francis should go after Halak. I would.
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