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Post by sandogbrewin on Nov 5, 2022 13:56:46 GMT
“Sweeney said Bruins players - at least the leadership group - were made aware that they were planning to sign Miller. Acknowledges that some asked, "Why?"
Twice during a zoom meeting Sweeney said he could be wrong about this.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 5, 2022 14:03:18 GMT
OK, I found all of 2 clips of him on youtube.
Every single goal he had time and space, 2 goals I saw were slam home on the open side from the pass across when he was in pretty close - both on his off wing, that's about an easy a one timer as you can get.
All the rest he had a TON of time, and also all were on wrist shots where he wound up with the puck as far back as possible, you don't often get that kind of time in the AHL or NHL where you can load up AALLLL the way back on a wrist shot.
One where he was skating backward, and again with a wrist shot that was like, the wind up, the pitch...
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Post by bookboy007 on Nov 5, 2022 14:04:48 GMT
See, this is where we differ. I do not trust the Bruins to have done due diligence because neither they nor anyone has said that this kid did one single thing of his own volition to make amends or change himself from the kind of piece of shit he was at 14 or 16. Nothing. Not even apologize directly. Now reading the police reports, I see his parents are the kind of shitbirds who tried to save his ass by calling Isaiah’s parents and threatening to have him arrested if they got so much as the smallest justification. What due diligence did they do? Talk to him for a year to see if he could eventually figure out what they wanted to hear? They didn’t put him in community programs for the past year and then sign him based on his performance in those programs. They gave him a commitment to at minimum over half a million dollars. He will get a cheque from the Boston Bruins for $92,500 for two more years and $85K in salary for three years. Well over half a mil. Make a living indeed. And he’ll get that if he sucks balls as a hockey player. So again, what I see is a kid who fucked up, had a long pattern of being a piece of shit, who has shit for parents who want to excuse his behaviour, who has done nothing of his own volition to earn a second chance other than still be a B prospect in terms of talent, getting half a million dollars for the Boston Bruins potential for nothing. Why? So you assume bad motives, while I give the Bs the benefit of the doubt. Fair enough. You may well be right. But I'd also assume that it's pretty clear to him how his morals clause works. That $ isn't necessarily guaranteed. I don’t think I understand the motives. Are the Bruins now a halfway house? That’s part of it for me. There are two questions. One is did the Bruins due their due diligence? And what does that mean? Then the second is what motivated them to do that due diligence? What do they think this will accomplish? On the first question, I think if they did their due diligence to see whether or not they can trust this kid not to do things like this while employed by the organization, then that’s not the due diligence I wanted to see. To me the objective of “due” diligence is has this kid done anything to make amends and show he’s changed. I don’t care that he might be smarter now about not being on film when abusing people he thinks he has power over. I want to see that he did some work on himself. I’ve seen no sign of the latter and the fact the Bruins are putting him into programs tells me that he probably hasn’t done anything of his own volition. So that brings us to why do this? I don’t for one second think this is the Bruins being a charitable organization that wants to give a member of the hockey world a chance to redeem himself. They don’t pay you half a mil to go out and redeem yourself. Even Steve Howe had to go through rehab before he got yet another chance. So it must be that he has talent and talent is rare. Right? Except he’s a 4th round pick type of talent. His only real claim to fame is lighting it up in the UShL as one of the oldest players in the league. No one has been talking about him as an outstanding talent. He’s a JAG prospect. So it is very bizarre to me because usually when sports teams decide to take the PR hit of signing a douchebag, it’s Antonio Brown or Deshaun Watson or Greg Hardy or Steve Howe - a guy who has ultra rare and elite talent. And it’s obvious that’s why someone is giving him a second chance - the talent is too enticing. I’m not condoning that, just stating the obvious. That isn’t this kid. It makes no sense as a charitable act. It makes no sense from a hockey point of view. So I surely don’t feel like I can assume good motives. TSN has a guy who does full on journalism. He’s their investigative guy and the guy who dig deep on the Chicago stuff. If I am Rick Westhead, my story senses are tingling here because this is utterly unexplained.
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Post by bookboy007 on Nov 5, 2022 14:07:00 GMT
“Sweeney said Bruins players - at least the leadership group - were made aware that they were planning to sign Miller. Acknowledges that some asked, "Why?" Twice during a zoom meeting Sweeney said he could be wrong about this. This org has done a complete 180 since 2005 in terms of the culture and the professionalism and character. 180. This feels like someone is thinking they should go hard the other way now.
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Post by asmaha on Nov 5, 2022 14:10:00 GMT
I can defend Sweeney and Neely's draft history. I can defend their FA signings. I can defend all the hockey-related choices the good, the bad, and the ugly. I cannot and will not defend any action that undermines the incredibly hard-fought culture of personal accountability and commitment to the Black & Gold that this team has built over decades. I've written and deleted hundreds of words on this, but it all comes back to this: signing Mitchell tells the players, coaches, staff, and fans past and present that they don't matter.
There isn't a single person in the organization outside Neely and Sweeney that was calling to sign this player. Many will justify it after the fact. Some will be ok with it from the outset. I'm sure the scouts and personnel folks did what they were asked to do in looking into Mitchell and advising for/against the signing. That's all just damage control. The reality is NOBODY was asking or hoping for this player to get signed. It's just so completely unnecessary....and arrogant.
So for me it's not about what Mitchell did to Isaiah (it was vile and disgusting). Its not about player potential (I don't care how he looked in junior). It's not about second chances (that's something everyone feels differently about). It's about actively flipping off all the incredible work done by players past and present who have made the Bruins organization what it is. Chara's anti-hazing policy, Bergeron's personal accountability stance, and Marchand's community activism for inclusion all immediately come to mind as only a few tiny examples from a long history of actions that we collectively know as Bruins culture.
Sweeney is supposed to assemble the best team as possible, so there's at least a shred of understanding there. But Neely? A significant job responsibility for a President is stewardship of the entire organization/brand/culture. This move is egregious and worthy of his immediate dismissal.
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Post by asmaha on Nov 5, 2022 14:14:35 GMT
So fucking stupid we are taking about this during such an amazing start to the season. Such an unessessary move by Sweeney. Definition of High Risk, Low reward This time a thousand. I hate that we are discussing this in game day for a game against the Laffs. I am seriously considering not watching the game as much as I love the idea of the red hot Bruins adding fuel to the Toronto tire fire. I don’t want to have to sit through all of the Toronto media scrutiny and discussion of this and frankly, I just don’t feel very well disposed To the team right now. I know, right? I am so pissed that Bergeron has been dragged out to do damage control. It sucks. I feel for the players and it was entirely avoidable.
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Post by MrHulot on Nov 5, 2022 14:14:43 GMT
...It's interesting that the majority on this poll say no forgiveness, but if life taught me something I'd guess the majority of respondents have said or done something racist or otherwise lousy in their life if they are being honest. As I said, there's stupid and there's beyond stupid. What Miller did - and it went on for years, it wasn't just one single incident - was certainly not just stupid. Yes, people might have done something racist and lousy etc. in their lives. But IMHO you shouldn't compare one slip to behavior that went on for years.
I remember that the (IMHO incredibly thickheaded) former professional soccer player Lothar Matthäus (the most capped German player, but a definite bust during his time with the NY Metro Stars) once reportedly said to an elderly Dutchman at an international airport "Oh, you're Dutch? Well, I guess then Adolf simply forgot to gas you!" That may be one slip, but I think it's not just something stupid. However, the soccer community was very eager to forgive him, even though there are more stories like that about Matthäus (and the prick captained the German national team for more than a decade).
I would like to see much more effort from Miller to come clean.
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Post by NAS on Nov 5, 2022 14:17:32 GMT
OK, I found all of 2 clips of him on youtube. Every single goal he had time and space, 2 goals I saw were slam home on the open side from the pass across when he was in pretty close - both on his off wing, that's about an easy a one timer as you can get. All the rest he had a TON of time, and also all were on wrist shots where he wound up with the puck as far back as possible, you don't often get that kind of time in the AHL or NHL where you can load up AALLLL the way back on a wrist shot. One where he was skating backward, and again with a wrist shot that was like, the wind up, the pitch... None of that matters. He could be McDavid x Gretzky x Crosby x Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. His skills don't matter.
He's a piece of shit and I will NEVER cheer for one thing he does.
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Post by dannycater on Nov 5, 2022 14:41:48 GMT
This is the organization that pushed so hard for O'Ree number to be retired, then can't have him in person (what?? then he shows up in person 2 months later at a game?..nice timing), then do a 5-minute weakass ceremony with taped interviews (yeeeeeeeeeeechhh)...They retire Park's 22 number and ignore him even though O'Ree wore several different numbers in his career...then do a 10-minute ceremony to celebrate Foligno's 1,000 games in NHL as if he was a 20-year veteran of B's hockey...gifts, highlights, interviews, family on the ice...then they ignore Chara (another team), DK (in Czech land), Rask (who was given a very short 2-minute ceremony...gee, guy wins Vezina, backstops 2 finalists and has a cup ring, but hey let's short-change him.....FUCKING BRUINS ARE FUCKING STUPID WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC RELATIONS, AND FIRE THE PR DEPARTMENT...ALL OF THEM...PR dept. could have helped Neely and brass understand we have a 10-1 team not a good time to bring controversy or negativity to the troops!!!! FIRE, FIRE, FIRE!!!! FIRE THE PR DEPARTMENT!!!!
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Post by The OC on Nov 5, 2022 15:26:50 GMT
So you assume bad motives, while I give the Bs the benefit of the doubt. Fair enough. You may well be right. But I'd also assume that it's pretty clear to him how his morals clause works. That $ isn't necessarily guaranteed. I don’t think I understand the motives. Are the Bruins now a halfway house? That’s part of it for me. There are two questions. One is did the Bruins due their due diligence? And what does that mean? Then the second is what motivated them to do that due diligence? What do they think this will accomplish? On the first question, I think if they did their due diligence to see whether or not they can trust this kid not to do things like this while employed by the organization, then that’s not the due diligence I wanted to see. To me the objective of “due” diligence is has this kid done anything to make amends and show he’s changed. I don’t care that he might be smarter now about not being on film when abusing people he thinks he has power over. I want to see that he did some work on himself. I’ve seen no sign of the latter and the fact the Bruins are putting him into programs tells me that he probably hasn’t done anything of his own volition. So that brings us to why do this? I don’t for one second think this is the Bruins being a charitable organization that wants to give a member of the hockey world a chance to redeem himself. They don’t pay you half a mil to go out and redeem yourself. Even Steve Howe had to go through rehab before he got yet another chance. So it must be that he has talent and talent is rare. Right? Except he’s a 4th round pick type of talent. His only real claim to fame is lighting it up in the UShL as one of the oldest players in the league. No one has been talking about him as an outstanding talent. He’s a JAG prospect. So it is very bizarre to me because usually when sports teams decide to take the PR hit of signing a douchebag, it’s Antonio Brown or Deshaun Watson or Greg Hardy or Steve Howe - a guy who has ultra rare and elite talent. And it’s obvious that’s why someone is giving him a second chance - the talent is too enticing. I’m not condoning that, just stating the obvious. That isn’t this kid. It makes no sense as a charitable act. It makes no sense from a hockey point of view. So I surely don’t feel like I can assume good motives. TSN has a guy who does full on journalism. He’s their investigative guy and the guy who dig deep on the Chicago stuff. If I am Rick Westhead, my story senses are tingling here because this is utterly unexplained. I doubt it. I think it's strictly hockey. Miller was just voted MVP by the league GM's, and you know they hated to do that. Other teams were talking to him. I think they saw a potential elite talent, weighed the consequences and went for it. The Bruins are known for really looking into character. Miller also had 75PIMs last year, so you can bet he took abuse and fought through it. They may see a Marchand element there, a guy so headstrong it doesn't matter what people think of him. They may see a guy who KNOWS he can't fuck up again and will keep his nose clean. A guy that will be out in the community leading anti-bully efforts. A guy showing you can turn yourself around. And a D who can score 30.
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Post by bookboy007 on Nov 5, 2022 15:34:02 GMT
“Sweeney said Bruins players - at least the leadership group - were made aware that they were planning to sign Miller. Acknowledges that some asked, "Why?" Twice during a zoom meeting Sweeney said he could be wrong about this. I listened to it again while walking the dog. Three takeaways. Sweeney is not comfortable with this move and was very, very careful in vocalizing that this is about an organizational decision. He said it took a lot of soul searching (more or less). And that his opinion was not the final word. I really want to know why this is important enough to the Bruins to take this chance. The “make a living” argument doesn’t fly because there were other teams willing to give him a shot and other college programs willing to entertain bringing him in. The Bruins didn’t need to step in to prevent a kid who might be able to turn his life around from a life in the gutter. In fact, when you look at his contract, they apparently had to compete for him to sign with them because that deal is well above the rookie minimum. It isn’t a stretch to infer they wanted him enough to outbid for him. His AAV is more than Brett Harrison and just less than Lysell. This kid was going to get another opportunity and the Bruins decided it needed to be with them. Sweeney said repeatedly it isn’t about forgiveness, but he also said a bunch of things that don’t line up with what we see in police reports based on video evidence. Police determined that Miller was lying when he said there was a group involved and that it wasn’t a prank targeted at Isaiah. Video evidence shows that he wasn’t telling the truth. So Sweeney was repeating the lie and Miller is continuing to tell that version of events that the police report disputes. The Bruins did not reach out to the family or to Isaiah to confirm that the apology was considered to be genuine or how it was received. That tells me they know it was likely not to have been well received and they wanted to maintain plausible deniability. If the family talks to them directly and says we will haunt you if you do this and they sign him anyway, it’s an even worse look. Sweeney did say that the kid had already started taking remedial action to improve before the Bruins even entertained the discussion, so why is that being made public? I would think due diligence in that case would be to talk to people runnng whatever org or program and asking them how did he do? Did he seem genuinely remorseful? Was he only there due to court recommendations? Did he grow at all? Or just make time so he could convince a team to take a chance? I want to know.
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Post by bookboy007 on Nov 5, 2022 15:38:13 GMT
I don’t think I understand the motives. Are the Bruins now a halfway house? That’s part of it for me. There are two questions. One is did the Bruins due their due diligence? And what does that mean? Then the second is what motivated them to do that due diligence? What do they think this will accomplish? On the first question, I think if they did their due diligence to see whether or not they can trust this kid not to do things like this while employed by the organization, then that’s not the due diligence I wanted to see. To me the objective of “due” diligence is has this kid done anything to make amends and show he’s changed. I don’t care that he might be smarter now about not being on film when abusing people he thinks he has power over. I want to see that he did some work on himself. I’ve seen no sign of the latter and the fact the Bruins are putting him into programs tells me that he probably hasn’t done anything of his own volition. So that brings us to why do this? I don’t for one second think this is the Bruins being a charitable organization that wants to give a member of the hockey world a chance to redeem himself. They don’t pay you half a mil to go out and redeem yourself. Even Steve Howe had to go through rehab before he got yet another chance. So it must be that he has talent and talent is rare. Right? Except he’s a 4th round pick type of talent. His only real claim to fame is lighting it up in the UShL as one of the oldest players in the league. No one has been talking about him as an outstanding talent. He’s a JAG prospect. So it is very bizarre to me because usually when sports teams decide to take the PR hit of signing a douchebag, it’s Antonio Brown or Deshaun Watson or Greg Hardy or Steve Howe - a guy who has ultra rare and elite talent. And it’s obvious that’s why someone is giving him a second chance - the talent is too enticing. I’m not condoning that, just stating the obvious. That isn’t this kid. It makes no sense as a charitable act. It makes no sense from a hockey point of view. So I surely don’t feel like I can assume good motives. TSN has a guy who does full on journalism. He’s their investigative guy and the guy who dig deep on the Chicago stuff. If I am Rick Westhead, my story senses are tingling here because this is utterly unexplained. I doubt it. I think it's strictly hockey. Miller was just voted MVP by the league GM's, and you know they hated to do that. Other teams were talking to him. I think they saw a potential elite talent, weighed the consequences and went for it. The Bruins are known for really looking into character. Miller also had 75PIMs last year, so you can bet he took abuse and fought through it. They may see a Marchand element there, a guy so headstrong it doesn't matter what people think of him. They may see a guy who KNOWS he can't fuck up again and will keep his nose clean. A guy that will be out in the community leading anti-bully efforts. A guy showing you can turn yourself around. And a D who can score 30. Yep. And I would rather they let someone else take the chance on his potential. Unless there’s evidence he has earned a shot with actions that were not conditions of the court, the teams he was talking to or the colleges he was trying to get into, then it’s got kithingnto do with the moralizing about redemption and second chances and everything to do with a calculated decisions to add a player with talent regardless of his character. And for this org, that is a huge change of direction.
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Post by The OC on Nov 5, 2022 15:44:30 GMT
“Sweeney said Bruins players - at least the leadership group - were made aware that they were planning to sign Miller. Acknowledges that some asked, "Why?" Twice during a zoom meeting Sweeney said he could be wrong about this. I listened to it again while walking the dog. Three takeaways. Sweeney is not comfortable with this move and was very, very careful in vocalizing that this is about an organizational decision. He said it took a lot of soul searching (more or less). And that his opinion was not the final word. I really want to know why this is important enough to the Bruins to take this chance. The “make a living” argument doesn’t fly because there were other teams willing to give him a shot and other college programs willing to entertain bringing him in. The Bruins didn’t need to step in to prevent a kid who might be able to turn his life around from a life in the gutter. In fact, when you look at his contract, they apparently had to compete for him to sign with them because that deal is well above the rookie minimum. It isn’t a stretch to infer they wanted him enough to outbid for him. His AAV is more than Brett Harrison and just less than Lysell. This kid was going to get another opportunity and the Bruins decided it needed to be with them. Sweeney said repeatedly it isn’t about forgiveness, but he also said a bunch of things that don’t line up with what we see in police reports based on video evidence. Police determined that Miller was lying when he said there was a group involved and that it wasn’t a prank targeted at Isaiah. Video evidence shows that he wasn’t telling the truth. So Sweeney was repeating the lie and Miller is continuing to tell that version of events that the police report disputes. The Bruins did not reach out to the family or to Isaiah to confirm that the apology was considered to be genuine or how it was received. That tells me they know it was likely not to have been well received and they wanted to maintain plausible deniability. If the family talks to them directly and says we will haunt you if you do this and they sign him anyway, it’s an even worse look. Sweeney did say that the kid had already started taking remedial action to improve before the Bruins even entertained the discussion, so why is that being made public? I would think due diligence in that case would be to talk to people runnng whatever org or program and asking them how did he do? Did he seem genuinely remorseful? Was he only there due to court recommendations? Did he grow at all? Or just make time so he could convince a team to take a chance? I want to know. Having read the police report just now, I think there is more to the story than we know. The kids were well known to each other. This wasn't two random bullies picking on a loser they stumbled across. They hung out together. The girls said the bullied kid followed them everywhere wanting to be cool like them. Sat with them at the games. Miller's dad warned the victims mom to tell him to stay away from his daughter or he'd press charges as well. There is a history and a social dynamic beyond what we know from headlines. I don't like it, I don't like the distraction to the Bruins blazing start, but I also have a lot of glass in my house and broken windows are expensive.
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Post by bookboy007 on Nov 5, 2022 15:48:25 GMT
Another curiosity - Eustace King is his agent. Eustace King is himself a black former player. He has 8 players under contract to NHL teams including former Bruin Gemel Smith, Givani Smith, and Wayne Simmonds. Two of his clients are Wild D Spurgein and former Wild Zucker - teammates of Matt Dumba. Dumba and Simmons’s have been a vocal part of the league’s effort to address racism and particularly anti-black racism in hockey.
That begs two questions. Did part of the due diligence come from King considering whether or not to represent Miller - and apparently it was King contacting teams that kicked this off? And so are the Bruins taking King’s assessment of whether or not this was a kid who didn’t understand the harm abut who isn’t a pos racist? Or…are the Millers conniving enough to hire a black agent so that teams and public opinion might assume that means if the black agent is okay with it then why should anyone else worry?
Be interesting to hear what King’s other clients have to say. I fear we will hear from Wayne Simmonds tonight.
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Post by bookboy007 on Nov 5, 2022 15:59:05 GMT
I listened to it again while walking the dog. Three takeaways. Sweeney is not comfortable with this move and was very, very careful in vocalizing that this is about an organizational decision. He said it took a lot of soul searching (more or less). And that his opinion was not the final word. I really want to know why this is important enough to the Bruins to take this chance. The “make a living” argument doesn’t fly because there were other teams willing to give him a shot and other college programs willing to entertain bringing him in. The Bruins didn’t need to step in to prevent a kid who might be able to turn his life around from a life in the gutter. In fact, when you look at his contract, they apparently had to compete for him to sign with them because that deal is well above the rookie minimum. It isn’t a stretch to infer they wanted him enough to outbid for him. His AAV is more than Brett Harrison and just less than Lysell. This kid was going to get another opportunity and the Bruins decided it needed to be with them. Sweeney said repeatedly it isn’t about forgiveness, but he also said a bunch of things that don’t line up with what we see in police reports based on video evidence. Police determined that Miller was lying when he said there was a group involved and that it wasn’t a prank targeted at Isaiah. Video evidence shows that he wasn’t telling the truth. So Sweeney was repeating the lie and Miller is continuing to tell that version of events that the police report disputes. The Bruins did not reach out to the family or to Isaiah to confirm that the apology was considered to be genuine or how it was received. That tells me they know it was likely not to have been well received and they wanted to maintain plausible deniability. If the family talks to them directly and says we will haunt you if you do this and they sign him anyway, it’s an even worse look. Sweeney did say that the kid had already started taking remedial action to improve before the Bruins even entertained the discussion, so why is that being made public? I would think due diligence in that case would be to talk to people runnng whatever org or program and asking them how did he do? Did he seem genuinely remorseful? Was he only there due to court recommendations? Did he grow at all? Or just make time so he could convince a team to take a chance? I want to know. Having read the police report just now, I think there is more to the story than we know. The kids were well known to each other. This wasn't two random bullies picking on a loser they stumbled across. They hung out together. The girls said the bullied kid followed them everywhere wanting to be cool like them. Sat with them at the games. Miller's dad warned the victims mom to tell him to stay away from his daughter or he'd press charges as well. There is a history and a social dynamic beyond what we know from headlines. I don't like it, I don't like the distraction to the Bruins blazing start, but I also have a lot of glass in my house and broken windows are expensive. I’d want Kel’s take on the reports but I read that line as a threat. As in drop this or we will have your son arrested if he so much as brushes by our daughter in the hall. That seems to be the context in what officer Hammer (and in any other thread, I would have things to say about it being officer Hammer) wrote. The social context and the long term pattern of bullying make this more complex, but don’t fundamentally change things. If anything, it’s further evidence that Miller felt empowered to do this. On the glass houses - yeah, I have been an asshole in my life. Nothing like this, but stuff that makes me glad I grew up before everyone had a phone. And in the worst cases, where the shame is bitterest, I’ve tried to be better. But not because anyone gave me back what I might have lost like this gives back Miller literally any potential loss other than his good name. It wasn’t ever dependent on having something other than lot wanting to be that person on the line. I was married to someone who worked in social services (still does), and particularly services for women, racialized women and youth. I know way more than I ever wanted to about what goes on in the extremes of bullying, the edges of sexual assault and the prevalence of sexual violence way beyond the numbers of reported cases. All that garbage. Knowing that shit makes you really see how fragile the glass house is and where you can be better.
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Post by The OC on Nov 5, 2022 16:00:32 GMT
Another curiosity - Eustace King is his agent. Eustace King is himself a black former player. He has 8 players under contract to NHL teams including former Bruin Gemel Smith, Givani Smith, and Wayne Simmonds. Two of his clients are Wild D Spurgein and former Wild Zucker - teammates of Matt Dumba. Dumba and Simmons’s have been a vocal part of the league’s effort to address racism and particularly anti-black racism in hockey. That begs two questions. Did part of the due diligence come from King considering whether or not to represent Miller - and apparently it was King contacting teams that kicked this off? And so are the Bruins taking King’s assessment of whether or not this was a kid who didn’t understand the harm abut who isn’t a pos racist? Or…are the Millers conniving enough to hire a black agent so that teams and public opinion might assume that means if the black agent is okay with it then why should anyone else worry? Be interesting to hear what King’s other clients have to say. I fear we will hear from Wayne Simmonds tonight. Interesting point, for sure. For the sake of moving equality forward, is it better to burry a kid who did racist things forever, or have a motivated repentant individual talking about the issues in every press scrum for the rest of his career?
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Post by kelvana33 on Nov 5, 2022 16:09:42 GMT
Daring someone into a situation where they could have died is excusable I your world, but wiping a lolly pop on a urinal cake and tricking a mentally challenged kid to lick is the path to being Jeffrey Dahmer? Are you all there? bowiestate.libguides.com/CRJU410-001/serialkillersaschildren2 points from that article. 1. Antisocial Behavior Psychopaths have a strong tendency towards antisocial behavior, so watch for extremely antisocial children. 3. Torturing Small Animals This is one of the strongest warning signs. Children who torture or kill small animals like squirrels, birds, cats, and dogs without showing remorse are highly likely to be sociopaths. Many serial killers kill to control others’ lives, and as children, small animals are the only lives they have the power to control. Cannibalistic serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer would bike around the woods as a child, collecting dead animals to dissect. Dahmer even killed and dismembered his own puppy, mounting its head on a stake when he was done. Small animal = pretty helpless, not able to defend themselves. autistic developmentally challenged person = pretty helpless, not able to defend themselves. Since you didn't answer about what if he did that to one of your daughters - how about this question, how would you feel about him staying at your house or being your next door neighbor? Wouldn't think twice about it, right? So to answer your question, if this dickhead did this to one of my daughters, I could count the number of steps he has left on earth on one hand. I mean it. My issue is, I feel the same way and would do the same to Billy Tibbetts, Craig MacTavish or Dany Heatley. What I have a problem with is why did they get to play hockey, but people feel this kid can't.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Nov 5, 2022 16:13:13 GMT
I am honestly just waiting to hear what the real motivation is here. Who is he related to? Whose friend is his dad’s lawyer’s golf buddy? There is just zero reason for the Boston Bruins to do this from either a reputational perspective or a hockey perspective. So there must be something else that tipped the scale. Think you’re looking for something that’s just not there other than B’S brass thinking this guy can play…. And more than just bottom pairing minutes…. And rest assured that the Jacobs gave their blessing but that heads will roll if there’s more than just some picketers in front of TD Garden next time this B’S juggernaut is in town…. So far haven’t heard anything from sponsers or ticket holders and they’re the ones who could make this gamble come out in the red…. Honestly think that the only negative that could come out of this signing is that the guy stinks as a hockey player as much as he stunk as a 14 year old….
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Post by kelvana33 on Nov 5, 2022 16:26:40 GMT
Having read the police report just now, I think there is more to the story than we know. The kids were well known to each other. This wasn't two random bullies picking on a loser they stumbled across. They hung out together. The girls said the bullied kid followed them everywhere wanting to be cool like them. Sat with them at the games. Miller's dad warned the victims mom to tell him to stay away from his daughter or he'd press charges as well. There is a history and a social dynamic beyond what we know from headlines. I don't like it, I don't like the distraction to the Bruins blazing start, but I also have a lot of glass in my house and broken windows are expensive. I’d want Kel’s take on the reports but I read that line as a threat. As in drop this or we will have your son arrested if he so much as brushes by our daughter in the hall. That seems to be the context in what officer Hammer (and in any other thread, I would have things to say about it being officer Hammer) wrote. The social context and the long term pattern of bullying make this more complex, but don’t fundamentally change things. If anything, it’s further evidence that Miller felt empowered to do this. On the glass houses - yeah, I have been an asshole in my life. Nothing like this, but stuff that makes me glad I grew up before everyone had a phone. And in the worst cases, where the shame is bitterest, I’ve tried to be better. But not because anyone gave me back what I might have lost like this gives back Miller literally any potential loss other than his good name. It wasn’t ever dependent on having something other than lot wanting to be that person on the line. I was married to someone who worked in social services (still does), and particularly services for women, racialized women and youth. I know way more than I ever wanted to about what goes on in the extremes of bullying, the edges of sexual assault and the prevalence of sexual violence way beyond the numbers of reported cases. All that garbage. Knowing that shit makes you really see how fragile the glass house is and where you can be better. Police reports are just basically statements from all parties involved/witnesses. They also can include the Officers observations. Officers do not include their opinions or thoughts on the matter, that's for a judge, clerk or jury to decide. You could call your local PD and tell them you saw a spaceship and would like a police report on it. They will take your statement and type your report. That said, if I'm reading these reports, all I care about, is did these two assholes, do something to that lolly pop that involves urine or urinal cake and did they persuade the victim to lick it? I think they did, and that's all I would need to charge them. I don't give a fuck about the social dynamics of the case.
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Post by fifthline on Nov 5, 2022 16:28:41 GMT
As of two years ago, the other perp, McKie , had apologized directly to the victim and Miller never did according to the victim’s mother’s October 2020 letter to the Coyotes. It’s been reported that the mother says Miller made a direct apology (maybe via twitter) to the victim last week. Bruins management did not speak to the victim or his mother about any of this for some reason. These facts suggest a serial jerk with some kind of narcissistic disorder (ie, no ability to process the feelings of others). I wonder how he’s going to be treated in the AHL? Lastly, by the rules of society, the perp McKie deserves a second chance because he atoned for his sin (guilty of juvenile abuse and apologized to victim who forgave him). Miller never atoned except when on the brink of a payoff. This really appears to stink and the Bs diligence seems to be lacking.
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Post by badhabitude on Nov 5, 2022 16:37:51 GMT
Another curiosity - Eustace King is his agent. Eustace King is himself a black former player. He has 8 players under contract to NHL teams including former Bruin Gemel Smith, Givani Smith, and Wayne Simmonds. Two of his clients are Wild D Spurgein and former Wild Zucker - teammates of Matt Dumba. Dumba and Simmons’s have been a vocal part of the league’s effort to address racism and particularly anti-black racism in hockey. That begs two questions. Did part of the due diligence come from King considering whether or not to represent Miller - and apparently it was King contacting teams that kicked this off? And so are the Bruins taking King’s assessment of whether or not this was a kid who didn’t understand the harm abut who isn’t a pos racist? Or…are the Millers conniving enough to hire a black agent so that teams and public opinion might assume that means if the black agent is okay with it then why should anyone else worry? Be interesting to hear what King’s other clients have to say. I fear we will hear from Wayne Simmonds tonight. Interesting point, for sure. For the sake of moving equality forward, is it better to burry a kid who did racist things forever, or have a motivated repentant individual talking about the issues in every press scrum for the rest of his career? Read his apology carefully, its insincere. He keeps trying to distance himself from the act. "it was nearly 7 years ago" - think about that phrasing, he's trying to make it sound longer ago than it really was. "What I did when I was 14". Again distancing and not fully taking responsibility. The way his parents defended him is troubling - "if your kid so much as brushes past our daughter we will press assault charges". He said he would be "doing community stuff", how fucking insincere is that? He "will use the experience as a teaching point". Makes it sound like this is happening to about 50 kids in every high school in the country He gives all the buzz words, but I see nothing that says No where in his apology statement do I see any sort of sincerity; * I was motivated by (fill in the reason here, to dominate another person, etc.) * How did he hurt the victim? What effect did this have on the victim? Having empathy for someone else is imagining what it was like to be your victim, I saw none of that. * A teaching opportunity? What better opportunity than NOW? Did he say anything about his victim? My pleasure of being signed by the Bruins is tainted by the action I took, I wish I could share some of this joy with my victim. * Show me a remorse statement that isn't just buzz words. * He could have taken this public opportunity to acknowledge his victim. * Notice how he only talks about himself in his statement, his actions and the victim are inserted as afterthoughts. * How about making amends by contributing to the welfare of his victim? Either by money or service. Says he's done community service work - no quantification of that at all. It's crystal clear to me that he's using the shrinks and whatever to learn what he has to say publicly. Show me where the remorse is, because I don't see it. In this "community stuff" - if he was doing "heavy lifting" - that is, REAL WORK to help others, we would sure as shit be hearing about it.
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Post by kelvana33 on Nov 5, 2022 16:58:47 GMT
Interesting point, for sure. For the sake of moving equality forward, is it better to burry a kid who did racist things forever, or have a motivated repentant individual talking about the issues in every press scrum for the rest of his career? Read his apology carefully, its insincere. He keeps trying to distance himself from the act. "it was nearly 7 years ago" - think about that phrasing, he's trying to make it sound longer ago than it really was. "What I did when I was 14". Again distancing and not fully taking responsibility. The way his parents defended him is troubling - "if your kid so much as brushes past our daughter we will press assault charges". He said he would be "doing community stuff", how fucking insincere is that? He "will use the experience as a teaching point". Makes it sound like this is happening to about 50 kids in every high school in the country He gives all the buzz words, but I see nothing that says No where in his apology statement do I see any sort of sincerity; * I was motivated by (fill in the reason here, to dominate another person, etc.) * How did he hurt the victim? What effect did this have on the victim? Having empathy for someone else is imagining what it was like to be your victim, I saw none of that. * A teaching opportunity? What better opportunity than NOW? Did he say anything about his victim? My pleasure of being signed by the Bruins is tainted by the action I took, I wish I could share some of this joy with my victim. * Show me a remorse statement that isn't just buzz words. * He could have taken this public opportunity to acknowledge his victim. * Notice how he only talks about himself in his statement, his actions and the victim are inserted as afterthoughts. * How about making amends by contributing to the welfare of his victim? Either by money or service. Says he's done community service work - no quantification of that at all. It's crystal clear to me that he's using the shrinks and whatever to learn what he has to say publicly. Show me where the remorse is, because I don't see it. In this "community stuff" - if he was doing "heavy lifting" - that is, REAL WORK to help others, we would sure as shit be hearing about it. Do you think he really wrote the apology?
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Post by Lord Markwart on Nov 5, 2022 17:00:04 GMT
Totally dumbfounded here. There are just some things in life that are too egregious to allow for second chances. Murder, rape, molestation, racially motivated abuse for YEARS, etc… It should be a life sentence for future job employment and any other liberties life can afford regardless of skill level.
Sweeney and Neely should both be canned for this signing. You would think it would be impossible for a 10-1 team to somehow create a shitshow of Sandusky proportion, but these two fucksticks managed to do it.
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Post by barleytinking on Nov 5, 2022 17:47:45 GMT
I am just stating my position, and is always for everyone, and hopefully always will be; everyone deserves a second chance. Everyone of us has fucked up to some degree, and many times others have given us a chance to redeem ourselves.
Now, I truly believe this kid was raised this way, and is the product of his parents' hatred. As a society, we constantly take that into consideration, and try to give young people a chance to find a better path. Good on the Bruins for doing that.
I do agree with the over riding sentiment that has been put forward, why now? Considering all that is going right, all the commitments from personal to join in the run for this year, management decides to throw a big ol' turd into the mix.
Maybe in 5 years from now, we will all look on it and see that this was a humanitarian thing to do that worked out well for both sides, but I seriously doubt it.
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Post by neelycam on Nov 5, 2022 17:52:53 GMT
Why even sign him. Not needed anyways Nick Foligno on the players' reaction to the signing of Mitchell Miller:
"I don't think any guy was too happy"
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