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Post by stevegm on May 9, 2023 10:57:49 GMT
yeah, pretty much the generic realities all of us are painfully aware of. i can't praise Sweeney enough for his work in 22/23. but his efforts for several years were knee-jerk, if looked at positively, and horrible from am objective standpoint. a long time ago, but the one thing that scares me, and this is on the whole company...is a complete over reaction like 15. Their response was vengeance, and I don't think it was by accident. Especially the higher echelon expects return on investment. unlike years past when they spent to the cap on paper, but were well short in real dollars, JJ's Bruins actually went after it the way the rest of the competitive owners always do. Seattle and Vegas are still great examples you don't have to suck for multiple years, waiting for the next Crosby. We have a ton of 1st rounders we didn't have to waste time developing. I just hope they aren't so pissed, they do a bunch of stupid shit. Lots here to build a solid team that can easily qualify, and make some noise.
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Post by islamorada on May 9, 2023 11:31:13 GMT
yeah, pretty much the generic realities all of us are painfully aware of. i can't praise Sweeney enough for his work in 22/23. but his efforts for several years were knee-jerk, if looked at positively, and horrible from am objective standpoint. a long time ago, but the one thing that scares me, and this is on the whole company...is a complete over reaction like 15. Their response was vengeance, and I don't think it was by accident. Especially the higher echelon expects return on investment. unlike years past when they spent to the cap on paper, but were well short in real dollars, JJ's Bruins actually went after it the way the rest of the competitive owners always do. Seattle and Vegas are still great examples you don't have to suck for multiple years, waiting for the next Crosby. We have a ton of 1st rounders we didn't have to waste time developing. I just hope they aren't so pissed, they do a bunch of stupid shit. Lots here to build a solid team that can easily qualify, and make some noise. Cap relief should be provided by the Bs strength, LDs and Goaltending. A center is needed. Sign Bertuzzi. Orlov is better than Griz, but his demands are going to more than the Bs can afford, Trade Hall. Lets see what happens. DS the moto should be "all plans go awry, no plans though are a disaster".
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Post by umainebruinsfan on May 9, 2023 12:06:26 GMT
Well, after last night's debacle, it is obvious Edmonton needs a goaltender. WOW, was that bad. Some extremely soft goals. I don't know what a trade with them would look like, and I don't know how they get rid of Campbell's salary, but if they don't get someone who can make the simple saves, they are going to waste all of McDavid and Draisaitl's prime.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on May 9, 2023 12:36:10 GMT
yeah, pretty much the generic realities all of us are painfully aware of. i can't praise Sweeney enough for his work in 22/23. but his efforts for several years were knee-jerk, if looked at positively, and horrible from am objective standpoint. a long time ago, but the one thing that scares me, and this is on the whole company...is a complete over reaction like 15. Their response was vengeance, and I don't think it was by accident. Especially the higher echelon expects return on investment. unlike years past when they spent to the cap on paper, but were well short in real dollars, JJ's Bruins actually went after it the way the rest of the competitive owners always do. Seattle and Vegas are still great examples you don't have to suck for multiple years, waiting for the next Crosby. We have a ton of 1st rounders we didn't have to waste time developing. I just hope they aren't so pissed, they do a bunch of stupid shit. Lots here to build a solid team that can easily qualify, and make some noise. Cap relief should be provided by the Bs strength, LDs and Goaltending. A center is needed. Sign Bertuzzi. Orlov is better than Griz, but his demands are going to more than the Bs can afford, Trade Hall. Lets see what happens. DS the moto should be "all plans go awry, no plans though are a disaster". Welcome back Isla! The move that concerns me the most is maybe trading Jay Sway …. With the trend now being teams locking up their young talent long term, good chance that Sway’s looking for that too…. And with good reasons to back up that demand…. With a Vezina winner still under contract for two years at a reasonable cost, will Donnie test the market with Sway instead?…. Good chance the interest and return for Sway is greater but also think the B’S would be better off with hanging on to their young goalie…. Hearing a lot about Orlov wanting to return and rejoin his comrades in Washington…. With Chuckie, Hampus, Carlo, and Lohrei (if he lives up to his billing), the B’S d-corps looks solid for the foreseeable future…. In other words, don’t see Orlov returning…. As for Bertuzzi, the only way I see him signing is if Donnie trades either Hall or DeBrusk, or even both…. Busy summer for Donnie for sure….
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Post by thanx4memORRies on May 9, 2023 13:02:52 GMT
Well, after last night's debacle, it is obvious Edmonton needs a goaltender. WOW, was that bad. Some extremely soft goals. I don't know what a trade with them would look like, and I don't know how they get rid of Campbell's salary, but if they don't get someone who can make the simple saves, they are going to waste all of McDavid and Draisaitl's prime. Yes, Skinner’s looked like a sieve at times but he posted pretty good numbers and is in the running for rookie of year…. Oilers problems are in playing defence and playing with a last shot wins mentality….
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Post by umainebruinsfan on May 9, 2023 13:55:50 GMT
Well, after last night's debacle, it is obvious Edmonton needs a goaltender. WOW, was that bad. Some extremely soft goals. I don't know what a trade with them would look like, and I don't know how they get rid of Campbell's salary, but if they don't get someone who can make the simple saves, they are going to waste all of McDavid and Draisaitl's prime. Yes, Skinner’s looked like a sieve at times but he posted pretty good numbers and is in the running for rookie of year…. Oilers problems are in playing defence and playing with a last shot wins mentality…. I could be wrong, I'm not a professional hockey scout, but I have watched a lot of Oiler's games because McDavid is just damn fun to watch. I know Skinner had some decent numbers in the regular season this year, but I have never thought he looked like a guy who would be a consistent #1 goalie. He has looked extremely shaky in the playoffs. Probably doesn't matter anyway, doubt they would trade for Ullmark, but I watched that game last night and instantly thought, "wow, their goalies suck."
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Post by kelvana33 on May 9, 2023 15:28:52 GMT
Well, after last night's debacle, it is obvious Edmonton needs a goaltender. WOW, was that bad. Some extremely soft goals. I don't know what a trade with them would look like, and I don't know how they get rid of Campbell's salary, but if they don't get someone who can make the simple saves, they are going to waste all of McDavid and Draisaitl's prime. Ullmark for Nugent-Hopkins
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Post by shuper on May 9, 2023 15:38:18 GMT
Well, after last night's debacle, it is obvious Edmonton needs a goaltender. WOW, was that bad. Some extremely soft goals. I don't know what a trade with them would look like, and I don't know how they get rid of Campbell's salary, but if they don't get someone who can make the simple saves, they are going to waste all of McDavid and Draisaitl's prime. Ullmark for Nugent-Hopkins It would be more like Yamamoto. I have clamoured for RNH for years. Man he had a great season
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Post by kelvana33 on May 9, 2023 15:52:18 GMT
Ullmark for Nugent-Hopkins It would be more like Yamamoto. I have clamoured for RNH for years. Man he had a great season I think Ryan McLeod has a real high ceiling, I'd take him in a package.
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 9, 2023 16:16:01 GMT
Season ending press conference going on with Bruins management.
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Post by Fletcher on May 9, 2023 16:24:16 GMT
No need to sign Hathaway, who did not bring the effective forecheck, grit, and snarl that I had hoped for.
Unless you deal Debrusk, I think you let Bertuzzi walk. I'd consider signing Orlov depending on how bad the term would be.
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 9, 2023 16:44:15 GMT
Fire your effing PP coach.
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Post by stevegm on May 9, 2023 16:59:12 GMT
No need to sign Hathaway, who did not bring the effective forecheck, grit, and snarl that I had hoped for. Unless you deal Debrusk, I think you let Bertuzzi walk. I'd consider signing Orlov depending on how bad the term would be. thing about Hatheway, he's peripheral. imo, you fll in with those types after your plan is basically complete. would be a massive mistake to make a player like GH priority, when you're dealing with constraints. having said that, there's no cap for many months. like every other business on the planet, if there isn't back room deals...there should be. Really, all comes back to the same thing as last year. No DK...no PB,..it's a completely different mindset when putting the team together. I've become a huge Bertuzzi fan. Moreso than either Jake, or Taylor. I think we can live without Coyle. I'd sign Nick for league minimum if he wanted to come back. Or Lucic. I like Orlov, but I'd be careful. there are a ton of excellent potentials to explore. We may be good enough on D, without him. But again, PB and DK. without them, I don't see how we aren't a wildcard...at best. I think Sweeney and co may feel the same way. I'm scared they're gonna blow it all to Hell. This is gonna piss many off here...but I don't see how you build a champion out of... and around Pastrnak and MacAvoy.
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 9, 2023 17:10:21 GMT
No need to sign Hathaway, who did not bring the effective forecheck, grit, and snarl that I had hoped for. Unless you deal Debrusk, I think you let Bertuzzi walk. I'd consider signing Orlov depending on how bad the term would be. I like the way with the way the Bruins played without Bergeron and Krejci. But that includes Hall, DeBrusk and Bertuzzi playing with out them.They would need to be in Boston without the two vet centers. Totally Ok with no Foligno or Hathaway on the Bruins. Unless you can get Hathaway for cheap. Money obviously has to go out to keep Bertuzzi but I wouldn't part with DeBrusk. Ok with trading Hall if Sweeney is keeping in Bertuzzi. But don't just dump Hall for nothing. Ullmark, Forbort and Grzelcyk is still the way I would go for freeing up cash.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on May 9, 2023 17:24:34 GMT
Yes, Skinner’s looked like a sieve at times but he posted pretty good numbers and is in the running for rookie of year…. Oilers problems are in playing defence and playing with a last shot wins mentality…. I could be wrong, I'm not a professional hockey scout, but I have watched a lot of Oiler's games because McDavid is just damn fun to watch. I know Skinner had some decent numbers in the regular season this year, but I have never thought he looked like a guy who would be a consistent #1 goalie. He has looked extremely shaky in the playoffs. Probably doesn't matter anyway, doubt they would trade for Ullmark, but I watched that game last night and instantly thought, "wow, their goalies suck." Even though most goalies have looked shaky at times in these playoffs, teams (not named the Oilers) usually play much tighter this time of the year…. But this year teams seem to be going all out more on offence and leaving the defensive responsibilities solely on the goalie…. As for Edmonton’s golden boy, my neighbour’s an Oiler fan and the other day I told him that if McDavid keeps it going he might end up being regarded as the 4th greatest hockey player ever once his career is over behind #s 4, 99, and 66…. Even without ever witnessing #4 play, he was trying to tell me that McDavid was superior….
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Post by 50belowzero on May 9, 2023 17:25:16 GMT
Well, after last night's debacle, it is obvious Edmonton needs a goaltender. WOW, was that bad. Some extremely soft goals. I don't know what a trade with them would look like, and I don't know how they get rid of Campbell's salary, but if they don't get someone who can make the simple saves, they are going to waste all of McDavid and Draisaitl's prime. Ullmark for Nugent-Hopkins I'm taking a guess here but i think Ullmark likely has Edmonchuk on his no fly zone,
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Post by thanx4memORRies on May 9, 2023 17:34:20 GMT
Fire your effing PP coach. Guess the tranquilizers used on Cam did the job….
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Post by thanx4memORRies on May 9, 2023 17:39:38 GMT
Season ending press conference going on with Bruins management. Good chance he’s alluding to Bertuzzi…. Think at least one of DeBrusk or Hall will need to go to make it happen….
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Post by The OC on May 9, 2023 17:41:56 GMT
Season ending press conference going on with Bruins management. Good chance he’s alluding to Bertuzzi…. Think at least one of DeBrusk or Hall will need to go to make it happen…. I posted somewhere here that if they deal Linus, Gryz and Reilly they can sign Bert and others. If PB and DK retire, I can see them signing Bert and making an additional move like you mention to bring in a center.
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Post by umainebruinsfan on May 9, 2023 18:11:48 GMT
Messed around with some numbers. If they deal Ullmark, Gryz, Forbort and Reilly AND Bergeron and Krejci retire, and subtracting out 4.5 mill from the cap to cover our overages, this is what I've come up with: We can try to get Bertuzzi for around 5. Foligno for close to the vet minimum Freddy as an RFA for between 1.5 and 2 Sway as an RFA for 3.5-4 (using Oettinger as a comp)
Even with trading all those guys out, we would still need to rely on several young, rookie level deal guys. The cap situation is REALLY bad! We could look something like this, with about 3.5 to fill the holes that you see. 3.5 is not much to work with.
Bertuzzi, Zacha, Pasta Marchand, hole #1, DeBrusk Hall, Coyle, Lysell Lauko, Freddy, Foligno
Greer and Beecher extra forwards
Lindholm, McAvoy Lohrei, Carlo Zboril, hole #2
extra D is hole #3
Sway, Bussi
Now you may say Lysell, Lohrei and Bussi aren't ready, but they may have to be. Sometimes you need to let the young guys learn on the fly and hope they get better as the year goes on. If we replace them with people making more than a rookie deal, then we would have even less than 3.5 to fill our holes. I didn't consider trading Hall because I don't know if teams would want him at that price. DeBrusk probably has some value, but then we would have to replace a 2nd line wing for cheaper than DeBrusk is, which wouldn't be easy. Bottom line is that 1 or 2 trades probably won't be enough. We are probably looking at 4 trades and still relying on 3-4 young guys to play major roles. I still love our core, will still be optimistic, and still be excited to watch every game, but it will surely look different.
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Post by 50belowzero on May 9, 2023 18:37:42 GMT
There's also the possibility the cap could go up by more than a million, not a guarantee but there is a chance it could be more, lets hope.
MANALAPAN, Fla. – After meeting with NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, the league’s general managers are leaving Florida with the expectation the salary cap will rise by only $1 million, to $83.5 million, for next season.
The possibility they have more to play with in free agency in July does, however, appear more alive than it did when the NHL Board of Governors meeting was held at the nearby Breakers Hotel in December.
Back then, Bettman said league revenues would have to grow by roughly $150 million over the NHL's projections in order to pay off the remainder of the debt the players owe the owners due to the pandemic.
On Wednesday, after three days of meetings with the general managers about minor rule tweaks and protective equipment, Bettman said the projections indicate that gap has been narrowed by about $50 million and that, if it can be completely eliminated by the end of the Stanley Cup Playoffs, the cap would rise by $4.5 million for next season.
He also, for the first time, opened the door to negotiations with new executive director of the NHLPA Marty Walsh to have the cap rise higher than $1 million, even if the debt isn’t fully paid off by the end of this season.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on May 9, 2023 19:04:18 GMT
There's also the possibility the cap could go up by more than a million, not a guarantee but there is a chance it could be more, lets hope.
MANALAPAN, Fla. – After meeting with NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, the league’s general managers are leaving Florida with the expectation the salary cap will rise by only $1 million, to $83.5 million, for next season.
The possibility they have more to play with in free agency in July does, however, appear more alive than it did when the NHL Board of Governors meeting was held at the nearby Breakers Hotel in December.
Back then, Bettman said league revenues would have to grow by roughly $150 million over the NHL's projections in order to pay off the remainder of the debt the players owe the owners due to the pandemic.
On Wednesday, after three days of meetings with the general managers about minor rule tweaks and protective equipment, Bettman said the projections indicate that gap has been narrowed by about $50 million and that, if it can be completely eliminated by the end of the Stanley Cup Playoffs, the cap would rise by $4.5 million for next season.
He also, for the first time, opened the door to negotiations with new executive director of the NHLPA Marty Walsh to have the cap rise higher than $1 million, even if the debt isn’t fully paid off by the end of this season.
That increase would cover the overages for Bergy and Krejci…. Would help Donnie a bit….
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 9, 2023 20:45:53 GMT
Season ending press conference going on with Bruins management. Good chance he’s alluding to Bertuzzi…. Think at least one of DeBrusk or Hall will need to go to make it happen…. Not if Grzelcyk, Forbort and Ullmark are traded. Sweeney said today next season the Bruins will look very different. While Cam said he expects the Bs to be competitive. Here is some of the press conference. Cam said some players personally apologized for the collapse during exit interviews.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on May 9, 2023 22:06:12 GMT
Good chance he’s alluding to Bertuzzi…. Think at least one of DeBrusk or Hall will need to go to make it happen…. Not if Grzelcyk, Forbort and Ullmark are traded. Sweeney said today next season the Bruins will look very different. While Cam said he expects the Bs to be competitive. Here is some of the press conference. Cam said some players personally apologized for the collapse during exit interviews. I’m sure that made Cam feel better….
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Post by thanx4memORRies on May 10, 2023 0:20:01 GMT
Good chance he’s alluding to Bertuzzi…. Think at least one of DeBrusk or Hall will need to go to make it happen…. Not if Grzelcyk, Forbort and Ullmark are traded. Sweeney said today next season the Bruins will look very different. While Cam said he expects the Bs to be competitive. Here is some of the press conference. Cam said some players personally apologized for the collapse during exit interviews. I just don’t see the B’S spending 37 mil on six wingers…. I’m assuming at least 5 mil per for Bertuzzi…. Even if Zacha slots into one of the center spots that still leaves one winger making more than bottom six guys should be getting in a cap world…. Especially if you’re already paying another third-liner 5 mil per…. That’s why I say that Hall or JDB will have to be dealt if Bertuzzi is to be signed….
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