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Post by moognoates on May 1, 2023 21:32:00 GMT
Getting tired of these premature threads each offseason. I was actually excited about how the roster was going to be configured this off-season with the cap restrictions but that was assuming we were coming off a cup win. Much less fun now as underachievers knowing this team isn't getting better.
Bergeron- lean towards moving on but if he wants to come back then needs to be cheap with minimal bonus money (next offseason we need to have cap space available)
Krejci - love you, time to retire.
Hall - trade for a second or third.
Keep Coyle and Zacha
Marchand - if someone is willing to give a first or second or make a hockey trade I am listening.
Sign Bertuzzi - i want him Zacha and Pasta as a top 2 line for the future.
Bring back Fliggy for vet minimum
Debrusk would have to bring back a high return for me to trade him. I prefer him to be part of the core.
Lauko should be a regular next season.
Let Orlov and Cliffy walk.
Buyout Reilly and let Zboril play.
Trade Gryz if someone will give you a second for him.
I am willing to trade a goalie for a first or a young high end forward.
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Post by moognoates on May 1, 2023 21:37:00 GMT
It's early and raw still but I don't think I am willing to devote as much energy and time to this team next year. I am pretty tired of the dissapoinments. Constantly going out in the first or second is just unacceptable to me with this core and hockey market.
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Post by fifthline on May 1, 2023 21:45:45 GMT
My fantasy trade is Edmonton gets eliminated and believes it's the defense that is the problem. Chucky for Draisaitl (throw in Ullmark if they want a goalie and get back a first round pick).
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Post by shuper on May 1, 2023 22:09:33 GMT
Lucic signed on a two year deal. 1m annually. Gudas or Schenn. Two year deal.
Trade bait. Hall Gryz Debrusk Frederic. Frederic to me is a joke. Have a role. Do something.
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Post by shuper on May 1, 2023 22:14:01 GMT
Lucic signed on a two year deal. 1m annually. Gudas or Schenn. Two year deal. Trade bait. Hall Gryz Debrusk Frederic. Frederic to me is a joke. Have a role. Do something. Look around the league for players in need of a change.
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Post by The OC on May 1, 2023 22:25:57 GMT
Lucic signed on a two year deal. 1m annually. Gudas or Schenn. Two year deal. Trade bait. Hall Gryz Debrusk Frederic. Frederic to me is a joke. Have a role. Do something. Look around the league for players in need of a change. I know you're maybe not used to your new screen name, but you're talking to yourself here.
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Post by shuper on May 1, 2023 22:27:04 GMT
Look around the league for players in need of a change. I know you're maybe not used to your new screen name, but you're talking to yourself here. It was a “and then” moment.
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 1, 2023 22:40:09 GMT
McAvoy-Lindholm Orlov-Carlo Zboril-Gudas ? (1 year UFA) Lohrei
Ullmark-Swayman
Is not a terrible defense.
Filling in the forwards with little money is where it gets dicey. Pasta, Zacha, Marchand, Coyle, Frederic, Beecher, McLaughlin, Lysell, Lauko, Merkulov and a UFA 4th line center.
If Sweeney wants both Bertuzzi and Orlov, which he should, then Ullmark and Hall have to go. Keep Ullmark then decide Bertuzzi or Orlov. I'd go defense.
Forbort and Grzelcyk have to go for obvious reasons. It's cap hell this summer.
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Post by shuper on May 1, 2023 22:43:06 GMT
McAvoy-Lindholm Orlov-Carlo Zboril-Gudas ? (1 year UFA) Lohrei Ullmark-Swayman Is not a terrible defense. Filling in the forwards with little money is where it gets dicey. Pasta, Zacha, Marchand, Coyle, Frederic, Beecher, McLaughlin, Lysell, Lauko, Merkulov and a UFA 4th line center. If Sweeney wants both Bertuzzi and Orlov, which he should, then Ullmark and Hall have to go. Keep Ullmark then decide Bertuzzi or Orlov. I'd go defense. Forbort and Grzelcyk have to go for obvious reasons. It's cap hell this summer. Gudas? You’ve changed since I was on hiatus Orlov is going to be expensive. I’m good with that if they unload Hall (never liked him - guy falls more than my 7 year old on ice).
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 1, 2023 22:51:11 GMT
McAvoy-Lindholm Orlov-Carlo Zboril-Gudas ? (1 year UFA) Lohrei Ullmark-Swayman Is not a terrible defense. Filling in the forwards with little money is where it gets dicey. Pasta, Zacha, Marchand, Coyle, Frederic, Beecher, McLaughlin, Lysell, Lauko, Merkulov and a UFA 4th line center. If Sweeney wants both Bertuzzi and Orlov, which he should, then Ullmark and Hall have to go. Keep Ullmark then decide Bertuzzi or Orlov. I'd go defense. Forbort and Grzelcyk have to go for obvious reasons. It's cap hell this summer. Gudas? You’ve changed since I was on hiatus Orlov is going to be expensive. I’m good with that if they unload Hall (never liked him - guy falls more than my 7 year old on ice). It doesnt have to be Gudas. I would have said no to him last summer. But he played well. It could be another vet dman until Lohrei is fully ready.
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Post by shuper on May 1, 2023 22:54:58 GMT
Gudas? You’ve changed since I was on hiatus Orlov is going to be expensive. I’m good with that if they unload Hall (never liked him - guy falls more than my 7 year old on ice). It doesnt have to be Gudas. I would have said no to him last summer. But he played well. It could be another vet dman until Lohrei is fully ready. Lucic ?
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Post by bruins6 on May 1, 2023 22:59:47 GMT
McAvoy-Lindholm Orlov-Carlo Zboril-Gudas ? (1 year UFA) Lohrei Ullmark-Swayman Is not a terrible defense. Filling in the forwards with little money is where it gets dicey. Pasta, Zacha, Marchand, Coyle, Frederic, Beecher, McLaughlin, Lysell, Lauko, Merkulov and a UFA 4th line center. If Sweeney wants both Bertuzzi and Orlov, which he should, then Ullmark and Hall have to go. Keep Ullmark then decide Bertuzzi or Orlov. I'd go defense. Forbort and Grzelcyk have to go for obvious reasons. It's cap hell this summer. I would try my darndest to move Hall-Forbort-Gryz to somehow try and keep Orlov and Bertuzzi for sure ... can it happen most likely not but man they impressed me
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 1, 2023 23:06:15 GMT
McAvoy-Lindholm Orlov-Carlo Zboril-Gudas ? (1 year UFA) Lohrei Ullmark-Swayman Is not a terrible defense. Filling in the forwards with little money is where it gets dicey. Pasta, Zacha, Marchand, Coyle, Frederic, Beecher, McLaughlin, Lysell, Lauko, Merkulov and a UFA 4th line center. If Sweeney wants both Bertuzzi and Orlov, which he should, then Ullmark and Hall have to go. Keep Ullmark then decide Bertuzzi or Orlov. I'd go defense. Forbort and Grzelcyk have to go for obvious reasons. It's cap hell this summer. I would try my darndest to move Hall-Forbort-Gryz to somehow try and keep Orlov and Bertuzzi for sure ... can it happen most likely not but man they impressed me It could happen but both Hall and Ullmark would have to go.
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Post by sandogbrewin on May 1, 2023 23:08:11 GMT
It doesnt have to be Gudas. I would have said no to him last summer. But he played well. It could be another vet dman until Lohrei is fully ready. Lucic ? Im not sure the Bruins can afford a one year vet forward contract. Lucic were a center ? Sign him a one year contract stat.
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Post by shuper on May 2, 2023 1:18:47 GMT
Im not sure the Bruins can afford a one year vet forward contract. Lucic were a center ? Sign him a one year contract stat. I think Lucic on out 4th line would be perfect. We need some swagger. I’m being sentimental but I want him. And Gudas.
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Post by mdsizzle on May 2, 2023 1:19:42 GMT
It's early and raw still but I don't think I am willing to devote as much energy and time to this team next year. I am pretty tired of the dissapoinments. Constantly going out in the first or second is just unacceptable to me with this core and hockey market. We are on the same page Moongoats.. I thought the gm7 SCF lackluster performance what the ultimate gut punch.. How do you top that? 2023. Give up 2 goals early.. That turned me catatonic... I was emotionless for the next 2 Bruins goals because I just knew they meant nothing... Then they get the lead! Holy fuck they just might pull this off and put this nightmare behind us! C'mon clock! All you gotta do is hold em off for one more minute! Nope! Gut punch! Fuuuuuuck. OK learn from the last OT nightmare! Skate like your life depends on it! NOPE! One last time to lift me up just to make me hit the ground all the harder! AGAIN! This year's lesson... Who really cares about regular season hockey... Really doesn't matter too much. And this group is not made for the postseason for whatever reason. My beloved Bruins are making it REALLY tough for me to care anymore... But I'm sure I'll be back, I just wish I didn't care so much. . Right now Id like to keep Bert... But this team needs a big overhaul. There's no more heart or pride. When the going gets tough the tough seem to not really care anymore.
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Post by mdsizzle on May 2, 2023 1:22:17 GMT
Im not sure the Bruins can afford a one year vet forward contract. Lucic were a center ? Sign him a one year contract stat. I think Lucic on out 4th line would be perfect. We need some swagger. I’m being sentimental but I want him. And Gudas. I want the guy who threatened to kill a guy in the handshake line... Someone with heart. I'll trade any of the pussies on this roster for him.
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Post by shuper on May 2, 2023 1:25:13 GMT
I think Lucic on out 4th line would be perfect. We need some swagger. I’m being sentimental but I want him. And Gudas. I want the guy who threatened to kill a guy in the handshake line... Someone with heart. I'll trade any of the pussies on this roster for him. He’s a ufa. He still would have a role.
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Post by mdsizzle on May 2, 2023 1:49:54 GMT
I want the guy who threatened to kill a guy in the handshake line... Someone with heart. I'll trade any of the pussies on this roster for him. He’s a ufa. He still would have a role. Maybe fuck trying to win in the playoffs that's not working. Let's turn into the trashers and just beat the pulp out of other teams. Sign looch and Oglethorpe.
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Post by shuper on May 2, 2023 1:53:44 GMT
He’s a ufa. He still would have a role. Maybe fuck trying to win in the playoffs that's not working. Let's turn into the trashers and just beat the pulp out of other teams. Sign looch and Oglethorpe. I just like having a nuclear weapon to get things going. Leader. Respected in the room. Wouldn’t cost a lot.
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Post by mdsizzle on May 2, 2023 2:00:45 GMT
Maybe fuck trying to win in the playoffs that's not working. Let's turn into the trashers and just beat the pulp out of other teams. Sign looch and Oglethorpe. I just like having a nuclear weapon to get things going. Leader. Respected in the room. Wouldn’t cost a lot. Won't need to twist my arm.
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Post by moognoates on May 2, 2023 10:19:22 GMT
It's early and raw still but I don't think I am willing to devote as much energy and time to this team next year. I am pretty tired of the dissapoinments. Constantly going out in the first or second is just unacceptable to me with this core and hockey market. We are on the same page Moongoats.. I thought the gm7 SCF lackluster performance what the ultimate gut punch.. How do you top that? 2023. Give up 2 goals early.. That turned me catatonic... I was emotionless for the next 2 Bruins goals because I just knew they meant nothing... Then they get the lead! Holy fuck they just might pull this off and put this nightmare behind us! C'mon clock! All you gotta do is hold em off for one more minute! Nope! Gut punch! Fuuuuuuck. OK learn from the last OT nightmare! Skate like your life depends on it! NOPE! One last time to lift me up just to make me hit the ground all the harder! AGAIN! This year's lesson... Who really cares about regular season hockey... Really doesn't matter too much. And this group is not made for the postseason for whatever reason. My beloved Bruins are making it REALLY tough for me to care anymore... But I'm sure I'll be back, I just wish I didn't care so much. . Right now Id like to keep Bert... But this team needs a big overhaul. There's no more heart or pride. When the going gets tough the tough seem to not really care anymore. I went through the exact same emotions you explained that game. It's almost as if they did everything possible to make this as painful experience as possible. Start horrible, give some hope, get us to the top of the mountain of excitement, oh nevermind, gut punch, here have OT. Okay now let's look like we don't know how to play hockey. At this point I don't know what they need. I certainly don't look at the Florida roster and say, there you go that is how you construct a team to win in the playoffs. They had a couple players get hot at just the right time. I think it's the core that is the issue and that is very sad to say.
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Post by mdsizzle on May 2, 2023 11:09:30 GMT
We are on the same page Moongoats.. I thought the gm7 SCF lackluster performance what the ultimate gut punch.. How do you top that? 2023. Give up 2 goals early.. That turned me catatonic... I was emotionless for the next 2 Bruins goals because I just knew they meant nothing... Then they get the lead! Holy fuck they just might pull this off and put this nightmare behind us! C'mon clock! All you gotta do is hold em off for one more minute! Nope! Gut punch! Fuuuuuuck. OK learn from the last OT nightmare! Skate like your life depends on it! NOPE! One last time to lift me up just to make me hit the ground all the harder! AGAIN! This year's lesson... Who really cares about regular season hockey... Really doesn't matter too much. And this group is not made for the postseason for whatever reason. My beloved Bruins are making it REALLY tough for me to care anymore... But I'm sure I'll be back, I just wish I didn't care so much. . Right now Id like to keep Bert... But this team needs a big overhaul. There's no more heart or pride. When the going gets tough the tough seem to not really care anymore. I went through the exact same emotions you explained that game. It's almost as if they did everything possible to make this as painful experience as possible. Start horrible, give some hope, get us to the top of the mountain of excitement, oh nevermind, gut punch, here have OT. Okay now let's look like we don't know how to play hockey. At this point I don't know what they need. I certainly don't look at the Florida roster and say, there you go that is how you construct a team to win in the playoffs. They had a couple players get hot at just the right time. I think it's the core that is the issue and that is very sad to say. Exactly... I have no clue what to do with this team... All I know is they obvious can't step it up, but can provide the biggest choke in the History of the league. Florida was good enough to to put home gift mistakes, turn overs and putrid D zone decisions. And spot on again, the recipe for post season success isn't a phenomenally overpriced goalie with shitty stats. Suspect thin defense. Casper barkov. And a few guys who can score. We gave them the series and they were good enough to take it. Two things, effort and execution. Fla won both. Especially in the overtimes!! I don't care what the roster looks like, if you lose the effort and execution game, you lose. Especially when you throw in putrid play in your own zone.
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Post by shuper on May 2, 2023 11:14:03 GMT
I went through the exact same emotions you explained that game. It's almost as if they did everything possible to make this as painful experience as possible. Start horrible, give some hope, get us to the top of the mountain of excitement, oh nevermind, gut punch, here have OT. Okay now let's look like we don't know how to play hockey. At this point I don't know what they need. I certainly don't look at the Florida roster and say, there you go that is how you construct a team to win in the playoffs. They had a couple players get hot at just the right time. I think it's the core that is the issue and that is very sad to say. Exactly... I have no clue what to do with this team... All I know is they obvious can't step it up, but can provide the biggest choke in the History of the league. Florida was good enough to to put home gift mistakes, turn overs and putrid D zone decisions. And spot on again, the recipe for post season success isn't a phenomenally overpriced goalie with shitty stats. Suspect thin defense. Casper barkov. And a few guys who can score. We gave them the series and they were good enough to take it. Two things, effort and execution. Fla won both. Especially in the overtimes!! I don't care what the roster looks like, if you lose the effort and execution game, you lose. Especially when you throw in putrid play in your own zone. Say what you want about Claude. But his teams knew how to defend. There were never or rarely odd man rushes. Face offs seem to be a forgotten thing with this team. I like responsible def teams and physical presence. We haven’t had either in a long time. Paper champs. I want that to change
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Post by umainebruinsfan on May 2, 2023 13:39:58 GMT
Realistically, if Bergeron and Krejci retire, we are in trouble because those 2 are top 6 guys who aren't paid like top 6 guys. To replace them with similar salaries, you are getting 3rd or 4th line guys. So that means that guys need to be able to step up and play a bigger role, which in turn hurts our depth, or we need to reduce salary elsewhere, or we need to make hockey trades. I'm not going to try to predict everything we do, but here are some possibilities: For salary relief: -Trade Hall for draft picks (I know there is a lot of Hall hate, but he can be very good and he's fast and I personally think he's a much better defensive player than he was before he came to Boston). -Trade Gryz for draft picks (I like Gryz and thought we were much better with him in there, but he might be a luxury we can't afford, plus Lohrei can eventually be a 6'3" version of Gryz with Lohrei's puck moving skills) -Trade Ullmark (I am not down on Ullmark based on a couple of bad games but if you could get a 1st round pick and gain $5 million in cap space or if you trade him for a similar salary at a position of need...Ullmark for Nugent-Hopkins?? Don't judge me on this exact trade, it just came to mind because salaries are similar and Skinner isn't a great goalie) -Frederick is restricted, but I'm not sure what his role is. Is he good enough to be a 3rd line guy? Probably, but seems more suited for 4th line. And can he play C? His faceoff numbers were not good. Maybe let someone offer and don't match or look for a trade. Who can we afford and how do we fill out the roster with limited money? -I really want Bertuzzi back. He looked great with Pasta and Zacha, but he's in his prime and will be looking to get paid. Not sure we can afford him even if we dump a salary or 2 -I don't think Orlove will be affordable. Probably less term because of his age, but he's probably still looking for a good yearly salary that we can't afford with Carlo, McAvoy and Lindholm already getting good money on D. -So we need to depend on Zboril on D. Maybe add a tough but relatively cheap RHD like Gudas or Schenn. We need to be more physical and mean. -We can probably only afford a top 6 C if it's part of a hockey trade. I don't think we can afford to "replace" 37 and 48 with similar production in free agency because those guys in free agency go for $5 million or more. If we don't make a hockey trade for a top 6 C, then we are looking at Zacha and Coyle, which isn't great but also not terrible. But who would be the 3C in that scenario? -Hopefully resign Foligno for league minimum to play on 4th line and provide leadership -Lysell needs to step up and play on the 3rd line. Other teams seem to elevate top prospects and get good contributions, we need to do the same. Sink or swim time. We need production from league minimum guys so we can afford everyone else. I personally see Lysell as a key to next year. We need to be like other teams and get production from a young player making the minimum. -4th line in general should be all guys at or near the league minimum. Greer showed toughness and I really liked Lauko at times with his speed and nonstop motor. These guys will be depended on. What will we look like without 37 and 48? -This won't be the same team. It probably won't dominate the regular season, but it can still be very good. There is a good enough core to still be competitive for years to come, it will just be different. Bertuzzi (if we can afford him), Zacha, Pasta Marchand, (Ullmark trade acquisition), DeBrusk Hall, Coyle, Lysell Foligno, Lauko, Greer , McAvoy (the ? mark could be someone from a hockey trade, could be Gryz if we don't have to trade him for cap relief, but eventually could be Lohrei, just not at the start of the year) Lindholm, Carlo Zboril, cheap tough defensive minded RHD Swayman, cheap backup Obviously lots of moving parts and lots of possibilities, but bottom line is that there is a core here that can be very competitive. I can also see keeping the best goalie combo in the league together but that would mean Coyle as top 6 C, then needing to fill in 3C with a cheaper player. Sweeney will need to fill in the holes and be very strategic in where that money is spent.
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