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Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 27, 2023 21:22:00 GMT
Not to beat a dead horse, but my point was that Ty Anderson indicated that the player tribute video was recorded on break-up day in May. Anderson would have been there that day as part of the media coverage, the video itself does not use a green screen, and some of the players in it have not been in Boston for weeks. www.nhl.com/bruins/video/bergeron-congrats-messages/t-277437088/c-18141862I only bring it up because there's a lot of hand-wringing about Bergeron making the team wait...and it really seems like the org knew. I'm fine with whatever timeline is out there. I felt like Sweeney was making moves based on not taking on big contracts, having a crap load of money at the deadline and acting like there was a possibility neither veteran centers were coming back.
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Post by stevegm on Jul 28, 2023 2:02:16 GMT
A lot of this is why you look at something like the Hart Trophy. If a player is voted the most valuable player, it means he's more valuable regardless of position, responsibilities typical of the position etc. etc.. I'm also on the side of the comparison conversation that says you have to adjust any player for inflation so to speak. You can't just say that the players and the game are more athletic and faster and stronger and and and. They're that way because they came up with better nutrition, better coaching, better equipment, better facilities. You have to give a Howe or a Shore equal access to those benefits and then ask yourself how they'd have done or else you might as well say sure, Gordie was great in his day, but these days I'm fairly confident that the worst player in the league could out-play him because he's dead. I think Orr defending McDavid would be the kind of hockey where you never take your eyes off those two, because they'd be moving faster than everyone else. Maybe Pavel Girle. Howe dead at 88 could still outperform Foligno...on the Hart Trophy thing..it's voted on, I'm not taking anything away from Howe...but he was the best of how many guys playing in the old NHL...6 teams x 18 = 108 players..today the Hart Trophy winner has to be selected among 30 plus teams and exponential amount of players. Sorry Gordie was great, but again we're talking different eras bookboy likes to be more political. You're talking like a fool. You played the comparison card, and it came back to slap you. Bergeron is not even in the same chapter as Howe, let alone the same sentence. Shut up with your nonsense. Sweetie.
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Post by stevegm on Jul 28, 2023 2:14:30 GMT
Only reason I lose respect is the never-ending uncertainty. If he was going to retire, he should have decided before the draft so Sweeney could be free to make any moves that may have presented themselves. DK too for that matter. This whole sitting on the fence for the entire off-season thing is maddening and I don't understand why Sweeney lets it happen. I can't say this often enough. Sweeney was not ever restricted in terms of the moves he could make by Bergeron's indecision. Never. Not once. Nor DK. If Sweeney did anything other than proceed to make the best moves available to him to improve his hockey club, it's on him. Any competent executive would make the moves needed and then adjust if Bergeron decided to come back. The money has never been identified as an issue. It would be easy for them to find a way to make his money fit. If they acquired a C and Bergeron came back, both Zacha and Coyle are capable of adjusting to life on the wing. Losing respect for Bergeron because he made US wait for HIS life-altering decision makes no sense to me. agree Sweeney wasn't restricted by either. he needs to be adjudicated on his decisions without that hanging over his head. that has no bearing on Bergeron teasing the marketplace though, if, in fact that happened.
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Post by schlich on Jul 28, 2023 2:35:33 GMT
Only reason I lose respect is the never-ending uncertainty. If he was going to retire, he should have decided before the draft so Sweeney could be free to make any moves that may have presented themselves. DK too for that matter. This whole sitting on the fence for the entire off-season thing is maddening and I don't understand why Sweeney lets it happen. I can't say this often enough. Sweeney was not ever restricted in terms of the moves he could make by Bergeron's indecision. Never. Not once. Nor DK. If Sweeney did anything other than proceed to make the best moves available to him to improve his hockey club, it's on him. Any competent executive would make the moves needed and then adjust if Bergeron decided to come back. The money has never been identified as an issue. It would be easy for them to find a way to make his money fit. If they acquired a C and Bergeron came back, both Zacha and Coyle are capable of adjusting to life on the wing. Losing respect for Bergeron because he made US wait for HIS life-altering decision makes no sense to me. I believe bergy knew his decision long ago. and so did ds. there was just no advantage in making it known. ditto dk
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 28, 2023 3:46:00 GMT
I won't judge Bergy. After 19 years of professional hockey, the toll on his body must have been immense. Money was not the issue, it never was. I honestly believe it was a combination of the physical toll and parenthood calling. I feel privileged to have had the opportunity to watch him for so many years. Nothing but thanks and respect...and very sad I pray he comes back as a coach!I'd prefer it be with no other organization but the Bruins. Bruins need to replenish the ambassadors. Milt passed a few years ago now and Bucyk is getting way up there. Sweeney and Neely are too busy being execs and losing some shine every time theybmake a stupid move. Bourque seems absent. Tuukka embraced the idea. Chara, Thomas, Horton, Rex, seids, they all moved on. Bergeron would be for the Bruins what Beliveau was for decades for the Scabs.
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Post by stevegm on Jul 28, 2023 11:31:35 GMT
I'd prefer it be with no other organization but the Bruins. Bruins need to replenish the ambassadors. Milt passed a few years ago now and Bucyk is getting way up there. Sweeney and Neely are too busy being execs and losing some shine every time theybmake a stupid move. Bourque seems absent. Tuukka embraced the idea. Chara, Thomas, Horton, Rex, seids, they all moved on. Bergeron would be for the Bruins what Beliveau was for decades for the Scabs. been reported there are some issues with Bourque and the Bruins. anyone have any info?
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Post by 50belowzero on Jul 28, 2023 12:37:40 GMT
The Bruins likely made the goodbye video at breakup because they had everyone together, not because Bergeron had made up his mind. They figured they'd get it done and if he came back great no harm done. It was also a perfect time because the whole team was sad , upset and pissed off, you could tell in their faces, losing is a perfect mood setter.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 28, 2023 13:31:34 GMT
The Bruins likely made the goodbye video at breakup because they had everyone together, not because Bergeron had made up his mind. They figured they'd get it done and if he came back great no harm done. It was also a perfect time because the whole team was sad , upset and pissed off, you could tell in their faces, losing is a perfect mood setter. Even if he hadn't made the decision, it's the only way to get that type of tribute done. The sentiment that he might retire was there. It was a good call by PR/B's.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 28, 2023 13:37:36 GMT
Bruins need to replenish the ambassadors. Milt passed a few years ago now and Bucyk is getting way up there. Sweeney and Neely are too busy being execs and losing some shine every time theybmake a stupid move. Bourque seems absent. Tuukka embraced the idea. Chara, Thomas, Horton, Rex, seids, they all moved on. Bergeron would be for the Bruins what Beliveau was for decades for the Scabs. been reported there are some issues with Bourque and the Bruins. anyone have any info? If there are indeed some issues between the Bruins and Ray. Gotta wonder if those issues were before or after Cam Neely forced Chris Bourque into the Bruins lineup in 2013.
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Post by The OC on Jul 28, 2023 15:13:59 GMT
Ray likes his booz
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Jul 28, 2023 15:44:17 GMT
I'd prefer it be with no other organization but the Bruins. Bruins need to replenish the ambassadors. Milt passed a few years ago now and Bucyk is getting way up there. Sweeney and Neely are too busy being execs and losing some shine every time theybmake a stupid move. Bourque seems absent. Tuukka embraced the idea. Chara, Thomas, Horton, Rex, seids, they all moved on. Bergeron would be for the Bruins what Beliveau was for decades for the Scabs. Can’t remember too many boneheaded moves by Donnie and Cam lately if you exclude the highly controversial Miller signing, which I had totally forgot about until I read that it had been settled recently….
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 28, 2023 15:49:07 GMT
The Bruins likely made the goodbye video at breakup because they had everyone together, not because Bergeron had made up his mind. They figured they'd get it done and if he came back great no harm done. It was also a perfect time because the whole team was sad , upset and pissed off, you could tell in their faces, losing is a perfect mood setter. Even if he hadn't made the decision, it's the only way to get that type of tribute done. The sentiment that he might retire was there. It was a good call by PR/B's. Where you live, is it still 1978? If so, I would advise not watching the Bruins-Canadiens in the playoffs any time soon. I don't think it would be that difficult to do what an average wedding planner or event organizer will do. No doubt every one of those players has a top notch cell phone and enough cash flow to buy a stand. Set it up, say your piece, upload it to someplace where the media relations guys can pull it down and splice it together with the others. Boom. Done. Still doesn't mean that the fact they chose to do it this way is a sign they knew Bergeron was retiring or not.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 28, 2023 16:48:39 GMT
Even if he hadn't made the decision, it's the only way to get that type of tribute done. The sentiment that he might retire was there. It was a good call by PR/B's. Where you live, is it still 1978? If so, I would advise not watching the Bruins-Canadiens in the playoffs any time soon. I don't think it would be that difficult to do what an average wedding planner or event organizer will do. No doubt every one of those players has a top notch cell phone and enough cash flow to buy a stand. Set it up, say your piece, upload it to someplace where the media relations guys can pull it down and splice it together with the others. Boom. Done. Still doesn't mean that the fact they chose to do it this way is a sign they knew Bergeron was retiring or not. I've worked in the TV sports business, so no It's not so simple to just have drunken testimonials off cell phones. It's a confined environment to have a backdrop and location for consistency purposes and having 20 plus guys say their peace on Bergie. I agree it didn't mean they knew for a fact, but it's a lot easier than asking or tracking down later. You do things in advance to save the time and effort later. PR guy simply got ahead of the curve here.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 28, 2023 16:59:27 GMT
Ray is a loyal B, his Bergeron quote proves it. And he loves his booz, so do I.
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Post by dannycater on Jul 28, 2023 17:00:29 GMT
Bruins need to replenish the ambassadors. Milt passed a few years ago now and Bucyk is getting way up there. Sweeney and Neely are too busy being execs and losing some shine every time theybmake a stupid move. Bourque seems absent. Tuukka embraced the idea. Chara, Thomas, Horton, Rex, seids, they all moved on. Bergeron would be for the Bruins what Beliveau was for decades for the Scabs. Can’t remember too many boneheaded moves by Donnie and Cam lately if you exclude the highly controversial Miller signing, which I had totally forgot about until I read that it had been settled recently…. Sox and B's both had these stupid signings of journeyman guys who had checkered past and didn't vet either. And in both cases, blew up in their faces.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 28, 2023 17:23:00 GMT
And plenty of Italian food in the North End.
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 28, 2023 20:39:17 GMT
Where you live, is it still 1978? If so, I would advise not watching the Bruins-Canadiens in the playoffs any time soon. I don't think it would be that difficult to do what an average wedding planner or event organizer will do. No doubt every one of those players has a top notch cell phone and enough cash flow to buy a stand. Set it up, say your piece, upload it to someplace where the media relations guys can pull it down and splice it together with the others. Boom. Done. Still doesn't mean that the fact they chose to do it this way is a sign they knew Bergeron was retiring or not. I've worked in the TV sports business, so no It's not so simple to just have drunken testimonials off cell phones. It's a confined environment to have a backdrop and location for consistency purposes and having 20 plus guys say their peace on Bergie. I agree it didn't mean they knew for a fact, but it's a lot easier than asking or tracking down later. You do things in advance to save the time and effort later. PR guy simply got ahead of the curve here. Depends on when you last worked in it, I guess. Feels like I've literally seen half a dozen tributes built using cell phone video in the last few years. Players don't do them drunk hanging off the side of a golf cart or shirtless on a fishing boat. In fact, I think the last one I saw them assemble like this was the one they did for Bergeron's 1000th point. That was 100% cell phone video the players and legends took themselves edited together. I've seen them made reasonably professionally by event planners who work out of their garage - some important people couldn't be here to celebrate your vasectomy, but they wanted to send you messages....
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Post by bookboy007 on Jul 28, 2023 20:41:14 GMT
Where you live, is it still 1978? If so, I would advise not watching the Bruins-Canadiens in the playoffs any time soon. I don't think it would be that difficult to do what an average wedding planner or event organizer will do. No doubt every one of those players has a top notch cell phone and enough cash flow to buy a stand. Set it up, say your piece, upload it to someplace where the media relations guys can pull it down and splice it together with the others. Boom. Done. Still doesn't mean that the fact they chose to do it this way is a sign they knew Bergeron was retiring or not. I've worked in the TV sports business, so no It's not so simple to just have drunken testimonials off cell phones. It's a confined environment to have a backdrop and location for consistency purposes and having 20 plus guys say their peace on Bergie. I agree it didn't mean they knew for a fact, but it's a lot easier than asking or tracking down later. You do things in advance to save the time and effort later. PR guy simply got ahead of the curve here. On the other hand, it think you're right about the PR guy making a smart choice. It's garbage bag day - everyone's mood is a little sombre, and they're all here. Tap them on the shoulder, ask them for a few minutes, take them into a room set up to film. Get's the mood.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 28, 2023 21:23:01 GMT
And plenty of Italian food in the North End. Booze and Italian food in the north end... That really narrows down the popular here! 😂
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 28, 2023 21:25:23 GMT
I've worked in the TV sports business, so no It's not so simple to just have drunken testimonials off cell phones. It's a confined environment to have a backdrop and location for consistency purposes and having 20 plus guys say their peace on Bergie. I agree it didn't mean they knew for a fact, but it's a lot easier than asking or tracking down later. You do things in advance to save the time and effort later. PR guy simply got ahead of the curve here. Depends on when you last worked in it, I guess. Feels like I've literally seen half a dozen tributes built using cell phone video in the last few years. Players don't do them drunk hanging off the side of a golf cart or shirtless on a fishing boat. In fact, I think the last one I saw them assemble like this was the one they did for Bergeron's 1000th point. That was 100% cell phone video the players and legends took themselves edited together. I've seen them made reasonably professionally by event planners who work out of their garage - some important people couldn't be here to celebrate your vasectomy, but they wanted to send you messages.... I sent my tribute video for Bergy while drunk and hanging off of OC's duckboat... Just hasn't found it's way into the TV.. Yet.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Jul 28, 2023 21:48:54 GMT
And plenty of Italian food in the North End. Booze and Italian food in the north end... That really narrows down the popular here! 😂 If I could afford a brownstone in the North End. I'd be right there with Ray.
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Post by mdsizzle on Jul 28, 2023 21:56:45 GMT
Booze and Italian food in the north end... That really narrows down the popular here! 😂 If I could afford a brownstone in the North End. I'd be right there with Ray. I almost got a tiny little apt in the north end years back... Far cry from a Ray Bourque brownstone.. Still would have been a sweet bachelor pad though.
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Post by badhabitude on Jul 29, 2023 0:17:59 GMT
Bruins need to replenish the ambassadors. Milt passed a few years ago now and Bucyk is getting way up there. Sweeney and Neely are too busy being execs and losing some shine every time theybmake a stupid move. Bourque seems absent. Tuukka embraced the idea. Chara, Thomas, Horton, Rex, seids, they all moved on. Bergeron would be for the Bruins what Beliveau was for decades for the Scabs. been reported there are some issues with Bourque and the Bruins. anyone have any info? That was the Harry Sinden days. Harry always went public with salary negotiations and IMO was trying to shame players into taking less dough. This backfired when it came to Bourque as everyone thought it sleazy to nickel and dime Ray as it was at that point. Harry caved, some bitter sentiment at least by fans.
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Post by badhabitude on Jul 29, 2023 0:27:08 GMT
I can't say this often enough. Sweeney was not ever restricted in terms of the moves he could make by Bergeron's indecision. Never. Not once. Nor DK. If Sweeney did anything other than proceed to make the best moves available to him to improve his hockey club, it's on him. Any competent executive would make the moves needed and then adjust if Bergeron decided to come back. The money has never been identified as an issue. It would be easy for them to find a way to make his money fit. If they acquired a C and Bergeron came back, both Zacha and Coyle are capable of adjusting to life on the wing. Losing respect for Bergeron because he made US wait for HIS life-altering decision makes no sense to me. I believe bergy knew his decision long ago. and so did ds. there was just no advantage in making it known. ditto dk Theory 1. From what he was saying in the presser it seemed to me that he was like 80% sure he'd retire, he was thinking he just didn't have it left in the tank to go the extra distance. I think he just wanted to ride it out until he was sure he couldn't give it a go. Sounded to me like he was doing his workouts and couldn't find the extra oomph that was necessary and kept at it until he was 100% sure he couldn't do it. So did he know a long time ago? Kinda. Sorta. But he wasn't sure until now. Theory 2. The self-effacing humble type that he is, the middle of the summer (literally) would be the right time to have the least media hoopla. That's the player he was, too. Not the star of the show, but the strongest supporting actor the world has ever seen.
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Post by badhabitude on Jul 29, 2023 0:30:18 GMT
Bergy, the hard working humble 2 way player that he was personified the Bruins, he was the face of the organization.
Easy to pick him for that C after Chara. No easy choice now.
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