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Post by dannycater on Dec 11, 2023 16:21:11 GMT
Anyone who hated Tim Thomas either is completely misguided or simply let's politics get in the way of B's performance. He was as good as a goalie for 2 Vezina years as any in their history, one resulting directly into the only Cup won by the B's in the last 51 years.
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Post by dannycater on Dec 11, 2023 16:25:19 GMT
The Jumbo Joe hate...I'm kind of done with arguing about it...his post-B's has zero to do with his as a B performance, which he was at the time young, prior to hitting his prime--lost years for the B's--and stating anything about Bergeron in relation to Joe is absolutely fucking stupid. Why? Because Bergeron was already a B when Joe was still a B, and Bergeron was at one point a long concussion that no one had any idea he would not only bounce back from, but then become an even better player, Selke perennial guy every year after his concussion. So again, Joe's presence never would have affected Bergeron's. I will be one of the few in here who said--stupid fucking trade, and dumping Samsonov equally stupid fucking idiotic..but that's at the time of those moves, which were unnecessary. Took several years to recover from the dismantling of the early 2000s Bs.
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Post by MrHulot on Dec 11, 2023 16:27:54 GMT
I think this breaks down into a few categories: 1. Guys you hated when they played against the Bruins who could be rehabbed if they played as well in Black and Gold; 2. Guys who were embarrassing in Black and Gold; 3. Ex-Shabs. . I think there’s also the guys that might have had their great moments but were just so smarmy and annoying that I just couldn’t stand them. I’d lead that club with Tim Thomas & Joe Thornton. Thomas was douchey spaz who alternated between giving up the worst goals in the NHL this side of Fleury vs Philly, and making the biggest highlight reel saves punctuated with the most unnecessary acting-it-up acrobatic out-of-position nonsense. He could get hot and uninformed fans loved the jumping bean show and he managed to win the 4 Finals games that the Bs scored 7 goals for him in, so there’s that. But he was a whiny sourpuss who never met an excuse he didn’t like or a teammate he couldn’t blame. And that selfish childish White House routine was the last straw.. Then there was Jumbo No, the no back checking playoffs disappearing man whose had more Cs stripped from his jersey than championships. The best thing about The Hobo was the trade chasing him out of town resulted in bringing in the best Captain and leader the Bs have ever had, culminating in a Cup. Thanks Joe; fuck off. I liked TT's never-say-die attitude, and that he had to prove himself in a European league before he could get a chance in the NHL. Yes, some of the goals he gave up were monumental stinkers, like the OT goal in Vancouver or the Flyers goal in the Winter Classic. BTW, in the four games he won in the SCF 2011 the goals total was 21-3 in favor of the Bruins.
"It's an easy save for me" Roberto Luongo gave up 18 goals in those four games. But you're right, in the end TT's selfish crap was unbearable.
I know you don't like flip-flopping goalies like TT.
I would like to know what you think about the king of flip-floppers, Doofinik Hašek, not just IMHO one of the worst prima donnas ever.
And of course I agree about JT Beardfraud.
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Post by MrHulot on Dec 11, 2023 16:36:07 GMT
I think there’s also the guys that might have had their great moments but were just so smarmy and annoying that I just couldn’t stand them. I’d lead that club with Tim Thomas & Joe Thornton. Thomas was douchey spaz who alternated between giving up the worst goals in the NHL this side of Fleury vs Philly, and making the biggest highlight reel saves punctuated with the most unnecessary acting-it-up acrobatic out-of-position nonsense. He could get hot and uninformed fans loved the jumping bean show and he managed to win the 4 Finals games that the Bs scored 7 goals for him in, so there’s that. But he was a whiny sourpuss who never met an excuse he didn’t like or a teammate he couldn’t blame. And that selfish childish White House routine was the last straw.. Then there was Jumbo No, the no back checking playoffs disappearing man whose had more Cs stripped from his jersey than championships. The best thing about The Hobo was the trade chasing him out of town resulted in bringing in the best Captain and leader the Bs have ever had, culminating in a Cup. Thanks Joe; fuck off. I am not as anti Timmy as you, but that may be because "I have a pretty good idea of how to play goal in this league and I'm not taking any advice at this time" is maybe the best goalie press conference line ever. Just ahead of "I couldn't hear what Jeremy said because I had my Stanley Cup rings in ears." I never thought that Roy's line was funny at all, just the good old Ex-Shab as usual being too full of himself. And with his rings in his ears, there would have been no goalie mask on Earth that he could have worn on his big head. He was a good goaltender, but JR was right, he had undressed him pretty badly in a previous game. And Roy stunk up the joint in the Winter Olympics, getting easily outplayed by Doofinik Hašek. IMHO the best goalie press conference line ever is the immortal "it's an easy save for me...", closely followed by TT's response.
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Post by MrHulot on Dec 11, 2023 16:43:40 GMT
Anyone who hated Tim Thomas either is completely misguided or simply let's politics get in the way of B's performance. He was as good as a goalie for 2 Vezina years as any in their history, one resulting directly into the only Cup won by the B's in the last 51 years. I liked TT as a goalie until he started to believe his own hype. He wasn't very good at reading the room. His White House "standoff" was extremely unprofessional. Why didn't he just not show up without saying anything about it? After that and his soapbox gymnastics, his career was basically over.
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 11, 2023 17:03:15 GMT
Petr Skudra, Vincent Riendeau, Tim Chelvadea & Craig Billington is like fingernails across a fucking chalkboard to me!! Then when Jon Casey decided he wanted to skate out & poke check everyone who came on a breakaway against NJ made me detest the Andy Moog trade! Add Potvin?
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Post by MrHulot on Dec 11, 2023 17:22:29 GMT
Petr Skudra, Vincent Riendeau, Tim Chelvadea & Craig Billington is like fingernails across a fucking chalkboard to me!! Then when Jon Casey decided he wanted to skate out & poke check everyone who came on a breakaway against NJ made me detest the Andy Moog trade! Add Potvin? I don't think so. IIRC Felix The Cat was nowhere near as bad in his lone Bruins season as the five sieves in nite's post (I'm not including M000000G among the sieves).
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 11, 2023 17:30:02 GMT
I am not as anti Timmy as you, but that may be because "I have a pretty good idea of how to play goal in this league and I'm not taking any advice at this time" is maybe the best goalie press conference line ever. Just ahead of "I couldn't hear what Jeremy said because I had my Stanley Cup rings in ears." I never thought that Roy's line was funny at all, just the good old Ex-Shab as usual being too full of himself. And with his rings, there would have been no goalie mask on Earth that he could have worn on his big head. He was a good goaltender, but JR was right, he had undressed him pretty badly in a previous game. And Roy stunk up the joint in the Winter Olympics, getting easily outplayed by Doofinik Hašek. IMHO the best goalie press conference line ever is the immortal "it's an easy save for me...", closely followed by TT's response.I thought it was perfect given its target. Roenick is Trevor Zegras's daddy. He had no problem working a shot at Roy into his rant about a missed call. Roy's comment basically reminded everyone that JR hadn't won anything and Roy had, so in the wider context, JR might want to wait until the job was done before crowing about one good deke. And it's not like someone could say that Roy's two rings came on teams where any decent NHL starter would have won. He had the Conns to show. And the best part about it is that it is objectively the stupidest comment. What? You had your rings in your ears? Do...do you think that's what "ear-rings" are? I find it hilarious because it does the work of saying that's great, Jeremy, you'll be on SportsCentre highlight reels scoring on me and making me look bad on that one goal...and I'm just going to continue here with this team and win the Cup...but like the Thomas quote, it does it with the perfect unexpected tone. The Thomas quote is only really funny because instead of going all Tom Barrasso and asking the reporter how many games he's won in the NHL or saying something angry or defensive, he makes the point with something that sounds like it was written by a bureaucrat. It's a press release by the local sheriff's office investigating the disappearance of Vancouver's offense. Roy ended his career with 4 Cups and 3 Conn Smythes. Roenick made a cocky statement using one goal as evidence vs. Roy's record of making big saves in the playoffs, which was already close to HoF level in 1996. I'm no Roy fan, but if I had to choose between Roy and Roenick for which arrogant, obnoxious and self-important player I'd support, give me Roy.
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 11, 2023 17:32:12 GMT
I don't think so. IIRC Felix The Cat was nowhere near as bad in his lone Bruins season as the five sieves in nite's post (I'm not including M000000G among the sieves). My memory is that he had a great start with the Bruins but fell off the wagon and finished more like the guy we saw in his several post-Toronto stops - sub.900s% etc. Plus, ex-Laff, so ew.
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Post by MrHulot on Dec 11, 2023 17:45:55 GMT
I never thought that Roy's line was funny at all, just the good old Ex-Shab as usual being too full of himself. And with his rings, there would have been no goalie mask on Earth that he could have worn on his big head. He was a good goaltender, but JR was right, he had undressed him pretty badly in a previous game. And Roy stunk up the joint in the Winter Olympics, getting easily outplayed by Doofinik Hašek. IMHO the best goalie press conference line ever is the immortal "it's an easy save for me...", closely followed by TT's response. I thought it was perfect given its target. Roenick is Trevor Zegras's daddy. He had no problem working a shot at Roy into his rant about a missed call. Roy's comment basically reminded everyone that JR hadn't won anything and Roy had, so in the wider context, JR might want to wait until the job was done before crowing about one good deke. And it's not like someone could say that Roy's two rings came on teams where any decent NHL starter would have won. He had the Conns to show. And the best part about it is that it is objectively the stupidest comment. What? You had your rings in your ears? Do...do you think that's what "ear-rings" are? I find it hilarious because it does the work of saying that's great, Jeremy, you'll be on SportsCentre highlight reels scoring on me and making me look bad on that one goal...and I'm just going to continue here with this team and win the Cup...but like the Thomas quote, it does it with the perfect unexpected tone. The Thomas quote is only really funny because instead of going all Tom Barrasso and asking the reporter how many games he's won in the NHL or saying something angry or defensive, he makes the point with something that sounds like it was written by a bureaucrat. It's a press release by the local sheriff's office investigating the disappearance of Vancouver's offense. Roy ended his career with 4 Cups and 3 Conn Smythes. Roenick made a cocky statement using one goal as evidence vs. Roy's record of making big saves in the playoffs, which was already close to HoF level in 1996. I'm no Roy fan, but if I had to choose between Roy and Roenick for which arrogant, obnoxious and self-important player I'd support, give me Roy. I saw Roenick once play in Phoenix, and he was amazing. I always thought he would have made an excellent Bruin (being born in Boston to boot). Like I said, Roy was a good goalie, especially in the playoffs, and yes, the cups he won with the Shabs were mostly his doing (maybe a little bit of John LeClair OT magic too). But I hated it when he couldn't stop a beach ball against the Czechs in the Winter Olympics.
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Post by dannycater on Dec 11, 2023 17:54:22 GMT
Anyone who hated Tim Thomas either is completely misguided or simply let's politics get in the way of B's performance. He was as good as a goalie for 2 Vezina years as any in their history, one resulting directly into the only Cup won by the B's in the last 51 years. I liked TT as a goalie until he started to believe his own hype. He wasn't very good at reading the room. His White House "standoff" was extremely unprofessional. Why didn't he just not show up without saying anything about it? After that and his soapbox gymnastics, his career was basically over.
I agree that as a professional he could have just shown up to the White House out of respect. Don't disagree with that at all. But that's off the ice too, just like Curt Schilling turning into a terrible person, but being a big part of the 2004 Sox WS champions. Off the field, asshole...on the field, heroic leader, staff great.
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Post by dannycater on Dec 11, 2023 17:59:01 GMT
I don't think so. IIRC Felix The Cat was nowhere near as bad in his lone Bruins season as the five sieves in nite's post (I'm not including M000000G among the sieves). My memory is that he had a great start with the Bruins but fell off the wagon and finished more like the guy we saw in his several post-Toronto stops - sub.900s% etc. Plus, ex-Laff, so ew. It was great how so many good NHL goalies seemed to either finish their careers as a B or very late in their careers, including Jacques Plante, Terry Sawchuk, Rogie Vachon, Manny Fernandez, Felix Potvin.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Dec 11, 2023 18:02:39 GMT
I am not as anti Timmy as you, but that may be because "I have a pretty good idea of how to play goal in this league and I'm not taking any advice at this time" is maybe the best goalie press conference line ever. Just ahead of "I couldn't hear what Jeremy said because I had my Stanley Cup rings in ears." I never thought that Roy's line was funny at all, just the good old Ex-Shab as usual being too full of himself. And with his rings in his ears, there would have been no goalie mask on Earth that he could have worn on his big head. He was a good goaltender, but JR was right, he had undressed him pretty badly in a previous game. And Roy stunk up the joint in the Winter Olympics, getting easily outplayed by Doofinik Hašek. IMHO the best goalie press conference line ever is the immortal "it's an easy save for me...", closely followed by TT's response.Roy 4, Roenick 0
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 11, 2023 18:03:01 GMT
My memory is that he had a great start with the Bruins but fell off the wagon and finished more like the guy we saw in his several post-Toronto stops - sub.900s% etc. Plus, ex-Laff, so ew. It was great how so many good NHL goalies seemed to either finish their careers as a B or very late in their careers, including Jacques Plante, Terry Sawchuk, Rogie Vachon, Manny Fernandez, Felix Potvin. Two of these things...are not like the others....
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 11, 2023 18:13:58 GMT
I thought it was perfect given its target. Roenick is Trevor Zegras's daddy. He had no problem working a shot at Roy into his rant about a missed call. Roy's comment basically reminded everyone that JR hadn't won anything and Roy had, so in the wider context, JR might want to wait until the job was done before crowing about one good deke. And it's not like someone could say that Roy's two rings came on teams where any decent NHL starter would have won. He had the Conns to show. And the best part about it is that it is objectively the stupidest comment. What? You had your rings in your ears? Do...do you think that's what "ear-rings" are? I find it hilarious because it does the work of saying that's great, Jeremy, you'll be on SportsCentre highlight reels scoring on me and making me look bad on that one goal...and I'm just going to continue here with this team and win the Cup...but like the Thomas quote, it does it with the perfect unexpected tone. The Thomas quote is only really funny because instead of going all Tom Barrasso and asking the reporter how many games he's won in the NHL or saying something angry or defensive, he makes the point with something that sounds like it was written by a bureaucrat. It's a press release by the local sheriff's office investigating the disappearance of Vancouver's offense. Roy ended his career with 4 Cups and 3 Conn Smythes. Roenick made a cocky statement using one goal as evidence vs. Roy's record of making big saves in the playoffs, which was already close to HoF level in 1996. I'm no Roy fan, but if I had to choose between Roy and Roenick for which arrogant, obnoxious and self-important player I'd support, give me Roy. I saw Roenick once play in Phoenix, and he was amazing. I always thought he would have made an excellent Bruin (being born in Boston to boot). Like I said, Roy was a good goalie, especially in the playoffs, and yes, the cups he won with the Shabs were mostly his doing (maybe a little bit of John LeClair OT magic too). But I hated it when he couldn't stop a beach ball against the Czechs in the Winter Olympics.Yeah, it was awkward having to cheer for him in the Olympics. Same with Price many years later. Roenick was a terrific one on one player, and he played with an edge, but I was always a little skeptical about his ability to make that Yzerman-like transition to giving up a bit of his high end offense to get more out of the team. And something happened to him around the lockout in the mid-90s where the very top end of his game seemed to fall off. Partly, that's the transition to the Nielsen era of trap hockey. But my issue with him is similar to the reason I can't stand Zegras. You haven't earned that arrogance, as talented as you are.
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Post by dannycater on Dec 11, 2023 18:15:21 GMT
It was great how so many good NHL goalies seemed to either finish their careers as a B or very late in their careers, including Jacques Plante, Terry Sawchuk, Rogie Vachon, Manny Fernandez, Felix Potvin. Two of these things...are not like the others.... good goalie can be translated into veteran goalie or someone good enough to be in the league for more than a decade
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Post by bookboy007 on Dec 11, 2023 18:23:57 GMT
Two of these things...are not like the others.... good goalie can be translated into veteran goalie or someone good enough to be in the league for more than a decade Bill Ranford... I think there's a meaningful gap between the HoF group there and then the guys who played for a while. I mean, Manny was a backup for most of his career, playing more than 44 games once. The Cat played in front of one of the best Laff teams since the Sittler, MacDonald, Salming era and was famous by extension rather than on merit. He bounced around a lot after that, and maybe had his best year as the Kings goalie when he played 70 plus. But he was done by the time he hit Boston. I think the biggest take-away here is that the Bruins went through a terrible wilderness of bad goaltending between Moog/Lemelin and Dafoe, Raycroft, Thomas and Rask and now the current tandem. That's probably giving the first two a lot of benefit of the doubt, too.
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Post by dannycater on Dec 11, 2023 18:31:43 GMT
good goalie can be translated into veteran goalie or someone good enough to be in the league for more than a decade Bill Ranford... I think there's a meaningful gap between the HoF group there and then the guys who played for a while. I mean, Manny was a backup for most of his career, playing more than 44 games once. The Cat played in front of one of the best Laff teams since the Sittler, MacDonald, Salming era and was famous by extension rather than on merit. He bounced around a lot after that, and maybe had his best year as the Kings goalie when he played 70 plus. But he was done by the time he hit Boston. I think the biggest take-away here is that the Bruins went through a terrible wilderness of bad goaltending between Moog/Lemelin and Dafoe, Raycroft, Thomas and Rask and now the current tandem. That's probably giving the first two a lot of benefit of the doubt, too. Ranford stuck it to the B's for the Cup...I loved him as a B, but he really stood on his head for Oilers in that series.
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Post by MrHulot on Dec 11, 2023 18:50:51 GMT
good goalie can be translated into veteran goalie or someone good enough to be in the league for more than a decade Bill Ranford... I think there's a meaningful gap between the HoF group there and then the guys who played for a while. I mean, Manny was a backup for most of his career, playing more than 44 games once. The Cat played in front of one of the best Laff teams since the Sittler, MacDonald, Salming era and was famous by extension rather than on merit. He bounced around a lot after that, and maybe had his best year as the Kings goalie when he played 70 plus. But he was done by the time he hit Boston. I think the biggest take-away here is that the Bruins went through a terrible wilderness of bad goaltending between Moog/Lemelin and Dafoe, Raycroft, Thomas and Rask and now the current tandem. That's probably giving the first two a lot of benefit of the doubt, too.
I think Felix The Cat was okay as Raycroft's mentor. He had been a bit of a one-trick pony whom the league eventually figured out (playing very deep between the pipes), but wasn't nearly as ineffective as Jim Carey. The terrible wilderness of bad goaltending was initiated by Brian Sutter stupidly trading away Andy Moog for Jon Casey. Moog and Lemelin had been good enough to carry the Bruins to Division titles, etc. Ranford had seen his better days when he came back to the Bruins.
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Post by 50belowzero on Dec 11, 2023 19:24:41 GMT
I think this breaks down into a few categories: 1. Guys you hated when they played against the Bruins who could be rehabbed if they played as well in Black and Gold; 2. Guys who were embarrassing in Black and Gold; 3. Ex-Shabs. . I think there’s also the guys that might have had their great moments but were just so smarmy and annoying that I just couldn’t stand them. I’d lead that club with Tim Thomas & Joe Thornton. Thomas was douchey spaz who alternated between giving up the worst goals in the NHL this side of Fleury vs Philly, and making the biggest highlight reel saves punctuated with the most unnecessary acting-it-up acrobatic out-of-position nonsense. He could get hot and uninformed fans loved the jumping bean show and he managed to win the 4 Finals games that the Bs scored 7 goals for him in, so there’s that. But he was a whiny sourpuss who never met an excuse he didn’t like or a teammate he couldn’t blame. And that selfish childish White House routine was the last straw.. Then there was Jumbo No, the no back checking playoffs disappearing man whose had more Cs stripped from his jersey than championships. The best thing about The Hobo was the trade chasing him out of town resulted in bringing in the best Captain and leader the Bs have ever had, culminating in a Cup. Thanks Joe; fuck off. The thing about TT's amazing highlight reel saves that is never mentioned,is the reason they were amazing highlight reel saves . It was because he was so out of position he had to scramble or dive back to make the save. He certainly wasn't an economically sound goalie, made way too much work for himself. Also because of his personal antics off the ice he sabotaged his last season with the B's and for that matter the rest of his career.
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Post by nitelite on Dec 12, 2023 0:01:29 GMT
Anyone who hated Tim Thomas either is completely misguided or simply let's politics get in the way of B's performance. He was as good as a goalie for 2 Vezina years as any in their history, one resulting directly into the only Cup won by the B's in the last 51 years. I agree with you Danny! Hate Timmy, but LOVE TUUKKA rants is the lamest bullshit ever! I loved them both for the stability they brought to the hardest position in sports back to Boston that was missing forever! I didn't like Timmy handcuffing the Bruins in the last year of his deal. I didn't like Rask for his "bad timing for a bad goal/bad game", but I certainly appreciated them both! The B's Don't win in 2011' without Timmy & the B's Don't get a sniff without TUUKKA in 2013/19 playing the way he did! Putting either one of them down over their overall body of work as a Bruin is ridiculous as it gets!
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Post by dannycater on Dec 12, 2023 0:40:26 GMT
Anyone who hated Tim Thomas either is completely misguided or simply let's politics get in the way of B's performance. He was as good as a goalie for 2 Vezina years as any in their history, one resulting directly into the only Cup won by the B's in the last 51 years. I agree with you Danny! Hate Timmy, but LOVE TUUKKA rants is the lamest bullshit ever! I loved them both for the stability they brought to the hardest position in sports back to Boston that was missing forever! I didn't like Timmy handcuffing the Bruins in the last year of his deal. I didn't like Rask for his "bad timing for a bad goal/bad game", but I certainly appreciated them both! The B's Don't win in 2011' without Timmy & the B's Don't get a sniff without TUUKKA in 2013/19 playing the way he did! Putting either one of them down over their overall body of work as a Bruin is ridiculous as it gets! 1,000 percent, nite. TR was the reason they made it to Cup finals in 2013 and 2019--incredible runs for him in both. Great tandem to have and as much as the Huggie Bears are good, they have a lot to reach to get to the other 2 goalies levels.
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Post by fiberglassmask on Dec 12, 2023 4:12:54 GMT
I think there’s also the guys that might have had their great moments but were just so smarmy and annoying that I just couldn’t stand them. I’d lead that club with Tim Thomas & Joe Thornton. Thomas was douchey spaz who alternated between giving up the worst goals in the NHL this side of Fleury vs Philly, and making the biggest highlight reel saves punctuated with the most unnecessary acting-it-up acrobatic out-of-position nonsense. He could get hot and uninformed fans loved the jumping bean show and he managed to win the 4 Finals games that the Bs scored 7 goals for him in, so there’s that. But he was a whiny sourpuss who never met an excuse he didn’t like or a teammate he couldn’t blame. And that selfish childish White House routine was the last straw.. Then there was Jumbo No, the no back checking playoffs disappearing man whose had more Cs stripped from his jersey than championships. The best thing about The Hobo was the trade chasing him out of town resulted in bringing in the best Captain and leader the Bs have ever had, culminating in a Cup. Thanks Joe; fuck off. I am not as anti Timmy as you, but that may be because "I have a pretty good idea of how to play goal in this league and I'm not taking any advice at this time" is maybe the best goalie press conference line ever. Just ahead of "I couldn't hear what Jeremy said because I had my Stanley Cup rings in ears." As much as I didnt like the guy, I admired his calm and great response in that moment. That was the best one liner ever. I mean, he was losing all the one goal / goaltender battle games in that final and giving up awful goals doing it. That ridiculous OT wraparound by Burrows? That horrible winning goal from behind the goal line? He was getting grief at that presser because he was losing games on bad goals and everyone could see it. That had to be awful, so good for him to come up with that “fuck you” response. Fortunately the Bs scored several goals in their 4 wins.
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Post by dannycater on Dec 12, 2023 13:15:41 GMT
I am not as anti Timmy as you, but that may be because "I have a pretty good idea of how to play goal in this league and I'm not taking any advice at this time" is maybe the best goalie press conference line ever. Just ahead of "I couldn't hear what Jeremy said because I had my Stanley Cup rings in ears." As much as I didnt like the guy, I admired his calm and great response in that moment. That was the best one liner ever. I mean, he was losing all the one goal / goaltender battle games in that final and giving up awful goals doing it. That ridiculous OT wraparound by Burrows? That horrible winning goal from behind the goal line? He was getting grief at that presser because he was losing games on bad goals and everyone could see it. That had to be awful, so good for him to come up with that “fuck you” response. Fortunately the Bs scored several goals in their 4 wins. Look at all the 7th games in B's playoff history...guy threw a shutout in the most important game of his life. I love TR, but he couldn't keep a 3-2 lead in the waning minutes of game 6 in 13 and he surrendered 2 goals in the first period of game 7, 19. Swayman couldn't hold a 3-2 lead in the final minute of game 7 last year. Cheevers threw a shutout game 6, 72...for the Cup. You better find a way to stop everything for your team in the biggest games. It's why TT and Cheevers have Cups and rings. Gilbert lost 1-0 in game 6, 1974 but Parent threw the shutout, and GG was the #1 star in game 7, 1979...he did everything he could to also earn a Cup both years, but it didn't happen. Still he had the lead with under 2 minutes to go in game 7, 79...Back to TR, he allowed one goal in game 6, 19 elimination win (albeit 5-1 by Bs) and still had the greatest goaltending series I've ever seen in allowing only 2 goals in 4 games in the 13 playoffs sweep over Pittsburgh. The only true difference between TR/GG v. TT/GC came down to some luck and maybe some more offense by B's (game 7, 19 and game 6, 74 in particular)...back to TT, biggest game of 11 before the finals, he threw shutout v. Tampa in game 7. You better either be better than your opponent's goalie or find a way...winning the Cup is extremely hard.
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Post by MrHulot on Dec 12, 2023 15:15:27 GMT
I think there’s also the guys that might have had their great moments but were just so smarmy and annoying that I just couldn’t stand them. I’d lead that club with Tim Thomas & Joe Thornton. Thomas was douchey spaz who alternated between giving up the worst goals in the NHL this side of Fleury vs Philly, and making the biggest highlight reel saves punctuated with the most unnecessary acting-it-up acrobatic out-of-position nonsense. He could get hot and uninformed fans loved the jumping bean show and he managed to win the 4 Finals games that the Bs scored 7 goals for him in, so there’s that. But he was a whiny sourpuss who never met an excuse he didn’t like or a teammate he couldn’t blame. And that selfish childish White House routine was the last straw.. Then there was Jumbo No, the no back checking playoffs disappearing man whose had more Cs stripped from his jersey than championships. The best thing about The Hobo was the trade chasing him out of town resulted in bringing in the best Captain and leader the Bs have ever had, culminating in a Cup. Thanks Joe; fuck off. The thing about TT's amazing highlight reel saves that is never mentioned,is the reason they were amazing highlight reel saves . It was because he was so out of position he had to scramble or dive back to make the save. He certainly wasn't an economically sound goalie, made way too much work for himself. Also because of his personal antics off the ice he sabotaged his last season with the B's and for that matter the rest of his career. There's no question that TT came from a different school of goaltending (if he had any schooling or style at all). But you have to give him credit that he got the results, won two Vezinas, one Jennings with Manny Fernandez, the Conn Smythe and a cup, plus three All-Star games in a row. In the four games he won in the 2011 SCF, he gave up 3 goals (and had two shutouts); in the entire series he gave up only 8 goals while his counterpart Roberto "It's an easy save for me" Luongo, a way more technically sound netminder than TT, let in 20. The White House routine was, as I had said before, very unprofessional - not because he didn't show up, but because he had to rub it into everyone's eyes that he hadn't shown up. That was supremely selfish. I'm still convinced that the B's would have done considerably more damage in the 2012 playoffs without TT's soapbox gymnastics.
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