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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 26, 2024 20:50:27 GMT
I apply lower editorial standards to board posts than books. You don't respect us. I think I've made that clear for years.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 26, 2024 21:51:14 GMT
Niether here nor there. Like Grzelcyk, Redden was never a top pairing dman. His time in NY proved that. Grzelcyk once again will get exposed in the playoffs. And he has a history, not in front of distorted eyes, right in front of hockey fans. So you've spent the last five posts arguing that Redden was exposed when Chara left, then say it's 'neither here nor there' that his game didn't crash until two full years and a change of teams after Chara left? And that if a 32 yr old player loses a step it proves that he was never a top defenseman? Both of those things are why I don't rely on the interpretation of "hockey fans" without corroboration. You've said nothing about Redden's time in Ottawa that suggests you have any credibility about what kind of player he was before Chara left. Nothing about him being Ottawa's number 1 D for several years before they acquired Chara to say he was never a top D. Nothing about the fact that 25 yr old Chara they acquired wasn't the towering force that he became. Just "Redden sucked in NY, so he was never good and it's all because he was sheltered by Chara." Just like this entire conversation on Grz, the point is not that Grz is good in the playoffs; it's the degree of his failings have been greatly exaggerated. Frankly, I find it bizarre how obsessed people are with the guy. It's like he slept with every last Bruin fan's younger sister. I can't figure out why it seems so hard for people to understand that, like a great many players, Grz is a mediocre player who can be used in certain contexts in ways that complement his strengths and minimize his weaknesses, and in a Cap league, it's likely essential that you can do that to keep costs down. It's like people are afraid to admit that he must be doing something right because somehow that would mean they can't also talk about the things he does wrong. Which is crazy. And it means there's no room to appreciate the nuances of a game that is incredibly nuanced. "it's the degree of his failings have been greatly exaggerated" You are in the minority as a Bruins fan and how others view Grzelcyk. You can keep spinning his or Reddens play all you want. What isn't abundantly clear to most but not you. Is all on your perception. Grzelcyk is barely a 7th dman if that on this Bruins roster. You have been nothing but on excuses mode for Grzelcyk. He's terrible under the bigger stronger forwards. He is shielded by McAvoy.
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Post by dannycater on Mar 26, 2024 21:58:45 GMT
So you've spent the last five posts arguing that Redden was exposed when Chara left, then say it's 'neither here nor there' that his game didn't crash until two full years and a change of teams after Chara left? And that if a 32 yr old player loses a step it proves that he was never a top defenseman? Both of those things are why I don't rely on the interpretation of "hockey fans" without corroboration. You've said nothing about Redden's time in Ottawa that suggests you have any credibility about what kind of player he was before Chara left. Nothing about him being Ottawa's number 1 D for several years before they acquired Chara to say he was never a top D. Nothing about the fact that 25 yr old Chara they acquired wasn't the towering force that he became. Just "Redden sucked in NY, so he was never good and it's all because he was sheltered by Chara." Just like this entire conversation on Grz, the point is not that Grz is good in the playoffs; it's the degree of his failings have been greatly exaggerated. Frankly, I find it bizarre how obsessed people are with the guy. It's like he slept with every last Bruin fan's younger sister. I can't figure out why it seems so hard for people to understand that, like a great many players, Grz is a mediocre player who can be used in certain contexts in ways that complement his strengths and minimize his weaknesses, and in a Cap league, it's likely essential that you can do that to keep costs down. It's like people are afraid to admit that he must be doing something right because somehow that would mean they can't also talk about the things he does wrong. Which is crazy. And it means there's no room to appreciate the nuances of a game that is incredibly nuanced. "it's the degree of his failings have been greatly exaggerated" You are in the minority as a Bruins fan and how others view Grzelcyk. You can keep spinning his or Reddens play all you want. What isn't abundantly clear to most but not you. Is all on your perception. Grzelcyk is barely a 7th dman if that on this Bruins roster. You have been nothing but on excuses mode for Grzelcyk. He's terrible under the bigger stronger forwards. He is shielded by McAvoy. It's futile to explain how little 48 offers. What is worse is we are not here to convince bookthey, we are here to convince the Monty Has No Clothes...for whatever reason, he is convinced that 48 is a top pairing d guy with 73 and offense be damned on using 12, and make sure poor offense 27 be on the #2 PP, and forcefeed 48 no matter what even if it might actually not be a bad idea to healthy scratch (this is what I mean by blocking other guys). Not dressing 6 or 12 on a d corps that is so putrid on offense it's now just obnoxious...this is bad coaching. Our shoot more 73 has zero points now in 10 straight games playing #1 PP and he's the offensive star of the D.
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Post by dannycater on Mar 26, 2024 22:02:56 GMT
Let's lose games 3-2 because we fear defensive breakdowns that happen even with the main guys...I'd rather win 5-3 and score some goals with some actual help at the point....48 and 27....they have this in common..they are too afraid to do anything, they want to play it safe and you can't have 2 guys in regular spots not offer anything offensively and then not taking any chances. Puts all the pressure on 73 (who is failing miserably in this dept right now) and you are not going to get it from 52,25,29. ACTUAL STAT: Shattenkirk has been on the ice for 14 PP goals (not saying points, saying on the ice). Lindholm has been on for 13....think about how many more minutes, more PPs and all the times 12 has sat. That means 27 fucking sucks on the PP...but let's have him on #2 PP and oh yeah, on a 6 on 5 when we need a goal...great coaching!!! Brilliant!
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Post by dannycater on Mar 26, 2024 22:11:21 GMT
Here I'm changing the thread...the Team's Offensive D Sucks. The Coaching Sucks. The GM Who decided to Become the Red Sox at the Trade Deadline Sucks....and Gryz sucks but let's not blame him as it's not his fault he sucks, or his fault that he plays on 1st pairing and never having to worry about sitting ever.
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Post by dannycater on Mar 26, 2024 22:26:06 GMT
How bout this roll call? Playoffs included Gryz 3 goals last 89 games. Lindholm 2 goals last 85 games Carlo 4 goals last 96 games (4 in last 45 to be fair...incredible really to have that many for him in that short a period) Forbort 0 goals last 53 games....this is epic awful....Lauzon has 6 goals this season.
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Post by Fletcher on Mar 26, 2024 22:37:03 GMT
I think I've made that clear for years. You know what, Book? You take a real journalist, like say, Haggs, for example. His editorial standards are exactly the same, whether he's writing professional hockey articles or filling out an Arby's customer satisfaction survey while sitting on a gas station toilet. He doesn't give a fuck who the audience is -- you're still gonna get precisely the same level of effort and attention to detail. He's not cheaply gauging his audience, and then putting out a corresponding level of effort. That's integrity.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 26, 2024 23:07:01 GMT
"it's the degree of his failings have been greatly exaggerated" You are in the minority as a Bruins fan and how others view Grzelcyk. You can keep spinning his or Reddens play all you want. What isn't abundantly clear to most but not you. Is all on your perception. Grzelcyk is barely a 7th dman if that on this Bruins roster. You have been nothing but on excuses mode for Grzelcyk. He's terrible under the bigger stronger forwards. He is shielded by McAvoy. It's futile to explain how little 48 offers. What is worse is we are not here to convince bookthey, we are here to convince the Monty Has No Clothes...for whatever reason, he is convinced that 48 is a top pairing d guy with 73 and offense be damned on using 12, and make sure poor offense 27 be on the #2 PP, and forcefeed 48 no matter what even if it might actually not be a bad idea to healthy scratch (this is what I mean by blocking other guys). Not dressing 6 or 12 on a d corps that is so putrid on offense it's now just obnoxious...this is bad coaching. Our shoot more 73 has zero points now in 10 straight games playing #1 PP and he's the offensive star of the D. It's a rarity to run across anyone who defends Grzelcyk. But then again I have gone to bat for some NHL players were I was in the minority. Whatever to each their own.
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Post by MrHulot on Mar 27, 2024 6:02:34 GMT
I think I've made that clear for years. You know what, Book? You take a real journalist, like say, Haggs, for example. His editorial standards are exactly the same, whether he's writing professional hockey articles or filling out an Arby's customer satisfaction survey while sitting on a gas station toilet.
He doesn't give a fuck who the audience is -- you're still gonna get precisely the same level of effort and attention to detail. He's not cheaply gauging his audience, and then putting out a corresponding level of effort. That's integrity. Thank you, Fletcher! Now I finally know why HaggsNeckFat has been MIA on this board for so long! (And I thought that bathroom was permanently "out of order"...)
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Post by MrHulot on Mar 27, 2024 6:24:20 GMT
So you've spent the last five posts arguing that Redden was exposed when Chara left, then say it's 'neither here nor there' that his game didn't crash until two full years and a change of teams after Chara left? And that if a 32 yr old player loses a step it proves that he was never a top defenseman? Both of those things are why I don't rely on the interpretation of "hockey fans" without corroboration. You've said nothing about Redden's time in Ottawa that suggests you have any credibility about what kind of player he was before Chara left. Nothing about him being Ottawa's number 1 D for several years before they acquired Chara to say he was never a top D. Nothing about the fact that 25 yr old Chara they acquired wasn't the towering force that he became. Just "Redden sucked in NY, so he was never good and it's all because he was sheltered by Chara." Just like this entire conversation on Grz, the point is not that Grz is good in the playoffs; it's the degree of his failings have been greatly exaggerated. Frankly, I find it bizarre how obsessed people are with the guy. It's like he slept with every last Bruin fan's younger sister. I can't figure out why it seems so hard for people to understand that, like a great many players, Grz is a mediocre player who can be used in certain contexts in ways that complement his strengths and minimize his weaknesses, and in a Cap league, it's likely essential that you can do that to keep costs down. It's like people are afraid to admit that he must be doing something right because somehow that would mean they can't also talk about the things he does wrong. Which is crazy. And it means there's no room to appreciate the nuances of a game that is incredibly nuanced. "it's the degree of his failings have been greatly exaggerated" You are in the minority as a Bruins fan and how others view Grzelcyk. You can keep spinning his or Reddens play all you want. What isn't abundantly clear to most but not you. Is all on your perception. Grzelcyk is barely a 7th dman if that on this Bruins roster. You have been nothing but on excuses mode for Grzelcyk. He's terrible under the bigger stronger forwards. He is shielded by McAvoy. I usually like a lot of book's thoughts. But his defending of Mr. Graesslich left me with only one possible choice of image...I try not to pay so much attention to stats anymore (I used to a lot). What I see when I watch Bruins games and #48 enters my view is usually an obviously timid dman who's afraid of contact and incapable of holding his position, as in the first Florida goal tonight, when for no apparent reason he tried to attack the Panther with the puck while his buddy McAvoy had already moved towards that guy and was a few steps ahead of Graesslich, who of course left his man, Evan Rodriguez, who ended up putting the puck over the goal line, unmarked in the crease. Oh please. Any NHL dman can pass the puck like that. If there really is one who cannot, then that guy should not be in the NHL.
Shut up, Jack. And I'm really wondering why that line (he utters it at least every other game) always comes out completely undisturbed by Mr. Edwards' otherwise obvious speech impediment.
And there you have it - the reason you should never dive too deep into the huge bottle that is alcoholism. It will impair your judgement for ages.
Shut up, CMc. This is the one moment when I'm convinced you're really as stupid as you sometimes look.
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Post by MrHulot on Mar 27, 2024 6:39:04 GMT
And BTW, signing Graesslich for $1 mill or even $2 mill per season, because we live in a cap league? Then you might just as well sign me, for league minimum. I will be exactly as useless as #48, but for less money.
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Post by stevegm on Mar 27, 2024 11:18:47 GMT
And BTW, signing Graesslich for $1 mill or even $2 mill per season, because we live in a cap league? Then you might just as well sign me, for league minimum. I will be exactly as useless as #48, but for less money. and speaking of alcholism? havin a few this morning? i'm sure you're a fine player, but doesn't it occur to you that the above logic is completely whacked?
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Post by dannycater on Mar 27, 2024 11:23:39 GMT
How bout this roll call? Playoffs included Gryz 3 goals last 89 games. Lindholm 2 goals last 85 games Carlo 4 goals last 96 games Forbort 0 goals last 53 games....this is epic awful....Lauzon has 6 goals this season. what's funny is this didn't change...now it's 3 in 90, 2 in 86, 4 in 97, and Forbort will be stuck on that other figure until he is probably retired or ex-B.
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Post by MrHulot on Mar 27, 2024 12:17:35 GMT
And BTW, signing Graesslich for $1 mill or even $2 mill per season, because we live in a cap league? Then you might just as well sign me, for league minimum. I will be exactly as useless as #48, but for less money. and speaking of alcholism? havin a few this morning? i'm sure you're a fine player, but doesn't it occur to you that the above logic is completely whacked? Nope to both. Growing up with an alcoholic/bully stepfather was more than enough of a deterrent. I'll enjoy some alcohol now and then, but I'll enjoy it responsibly, and in small doses. A fine player? I can barely skate. But I think that Graesslich is, well, graesslich (horrible, terrible, dreadful, etc.) and should not be tendered a new contract, even for league minimum.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 27, 2024 12:51:47 GMT
So you've spent the last five posts arguing that Redden was exposed when Chara left, then say it's 'neither here nor there' that his game didn't crash until two full years and a change of teams after Chara left? And that if a 32 yr old player loses a step it proves that he was never a top defenseman? Both of those things are why I don't rely on the interpretation of "hockey fans" without corroboration. You've said nothing about Redden's time in Ottawa that suggests you have any credibility about what kind of player he was before Chara left. Nothing about him being Ottawa's number 1 D for several years before they acquired Chara to say he was never a top D. Nothing about the fact that 25 yr old Chara they acquired wasn't the towering force that he became. Just "Redden sucked in NY, so he was never good and it's all because he was sheltered by Chara." Just like this entire conversation on Grz, the point is not that Grz is good in the playoffs; it's the degree of his failings have been greatly exaggerated. Frankly, I find it bizarre how obsessed people are with the guy. It's like he slept with every last Bruin fan's younger sister. I can't figure out why it seems so hard for people to understand that, like a great many players, Grz is a mediocre player who can be used in certain contexts in ways that complement his strengths and minimize his weaknesses, and in a Cap league, it's likely essential that you can do that to keep costs down. It's like people are afraid to admit that he must be doing something right because somehow that would mean they can't also talk about the things he does wrong. Which is crazy. And it means there's no room to appreciate the nuances of a game that is incredibly nuanced. "it's the degree of his failings have been greatly exaggerated" You are in the minority as a Bruins fan and how others view Grzelcyk. You can keep spinning his or Reddens play all you want. What isn't abundantly clear to most but not you. Is all on your perception. Grzelcyk is barely a 7th dman if that on this Bruins roster. You have been nothing but on excuses mode for Grzelcyk. He's terrible under the bigger stronger forwards. He is shielded by McAvoy. This is all bullshit. Classic cognitive dissonance. Yes, I'm in the minority because I'm not hearing the hot takes and just jumping on the bandwagon. What I find absolutely hilarious is that you're citing consensus among the fans, and I'm aligned with the coaching staff and management, and somehow you think that the fan perspective is more knowledgeable, insightful, true. I call you out on you having just the pure facts wrong about Redden, and you call that "spin." Fact is, you believe something about Grz and you have decided to be so attached to it, you're not at all interested in discussing it. I don't know why you're so attached to the idea that Grz is a 7th D at best, but you go with that.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 27, 2024 12:54:00 GMT
"it's the degree of his failings have been greatly exaggerated" You are in the minority as a Bruins fan and how others view Grzelcyk. You can keep spinning his or Reddens play all you want. What isn't abundantly clear to most but not you. Is all on your perception. Grzelcyk is barely a 7th dman if that on this Bruins roster. You have been nothing but on excuses mode for Grzelcyk. He's terrible under the bigger stronger forwards. He is shielded by McAvoy. It's futile to explain how little 48 offers. What is worse is we are not here to convince bookthey, we are here to convince the Monty Has No Clothes...for whatever reason, he is convinced that 48 is a top pairing d guy with 73 and offense be damned on using 12, and make sure poor offense 27 be on the #2 PP, and forcefeed 48 no matter what even if it might actually not be a bad idea to healthy scratch (this is what I mean by blocking other guys). Not dressing 6 or 12 on a d corps that is so putrid on offense it's now just obnoxious...this is bad coaching. Our shoot more 73 has zero points now in 10 straight games playing #1 PP and he's the offensive star of the D. And ultimately, why would Chewbacca want to live on a moon of Endor with the Ewoks? He's really tall! They're really short! It makes no sense!
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Post by dannycater on Mar 27, 2024 12:56:05 GMT
It's futile to explain how little 48 offers. What is worse is we are not here to convince bookthey, we are here to convince the Monty Has No Clothes...for whatever reason, he is convinced that 48 is a top pairing d guy with 73 and offense be damned on using 12, and make sure poor offense 27 be on the #2 PP, and forcefeed 48 no matter what even if it might actually not be a bad idea to healthy scratch (this is what I mean by blocking other guys). Not dressing 6 or 12 on a d corps that is so putrid on offense it's now just obnoxious...this is bad coaching. Our shoot more 73 has zero points now in 10 straight games playing #1 PP and he's the offensive star of the D. And ultimately, why would Chewbacca want to live on a moon of Endor with the Ewoks? He's really tall! They're really short! It makes no sense! Check out the d stats when B's d activates on offense...on the cats thread.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 27, 2024 13:02:57 GMT
Let's lose games 3-2 because we fear defensive breakdowns that happen even with the main guys...I'd rather win 5-3 and score some goals with some actual help at the point....48 and 27....they have this in common..they are too afraid to do anything, they want to play it safe and you can't have 2 guys in regular spots not offer anything offensively and then not taking any chances. Puts all the pressure on 73 (who is failing miserably in this dept right now) and you are not going to get it from 52,25,29. ACTUAL STAT: Shattenkirk has been on the ice for 14 PP goals (not saying points, saying on the ice). Lindholm has been on for 13....think about how many more minutes, more PPs and all the times 12 has sat.That means 27 fucking sucks on the PP...but let's have him on #2 PP and oh yeah, on a 6 on 5 when we need a goal...great coaching!!! Brilliant! How about you go look it up since it's a stat that is tracked and easy to access instead of presenting this like it's some massive revelation that you're presenting as a gotcha moment for the coaching staff? Lindholm plays exactly 0:02 more PPTOI per game that Shattenkirk. He's played more games at that rate, so he's played a grand total of ... 12:55 more minutes total over the course of the entire season. You're right. This is why they aren't the top team in the Atlantic...WHAT?!! We fundamentally agree about hockey. If you are still in the camp of suggesting you put a guy who is a widely-known career defensive liability, and who has declined to the point where teams no longer will pay him more than veteran minimum, on the roster solely because for the 1:23 he plays per night on the PP, he may be a slightly better option (one more goal scored with him than Lindholm) despite the fact that since his arrival in Boston, Lindholm has been excellent defensively (when he doesn't trip on his feet) and can play the whole game instead of being a slight advantage when PP2 is on the ice...If you are still of the opinion that you can make a bunch of changes to a roster that gives up 3 goals to add players who are offensively gifted but terrible defensively and the math will be that you still only give up 3 goals and now score 5 rather than that you might score 5 but now you give up 7...then I feel like you stopped paying attention in the late 80s.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 27, 2024 13:06:43 GMT
Here I'm changing the thread...the Team's Offensive D Sucks. The Coaching Sucks. The GM Who decided to Become the Red Sox at the Trade Deadline Sucks....and Gryz sucks but let's not blame him as it's not his fault he sucks, or his fault that he plays on 1st pairing and never having to worry about sitting ever. And yet they are somehow the top team in the Atlantic, a point back of the Rangers, and have an excellent record against Eastern conference playoff teams all year, including during their worst slumps. Must be because Pastrnak scores goals because in addition to the above, you've also called out both goalies for being suspect and not deserving of long term contract, the training staff for not giving the players horsebags of sugar (They need energy...SUGAR IS ENERGY!!!!!), the ownership for not charging more for beer so they can pay the players more, the parking attendants for poor use of the glowsticks, and Mr. Hulot's aunt Petunia for wearing too much rose water rather than taking baths. The bitching about this team couldn't sound more tone deaf or entitled.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 27, 2024 13:07:20 GMT
I think I've made that clear for years. You know what, Book? You take a real journalist, like say, Haggs, for example. His editorial standards are exactly the same, whether he's writing professional hockey articles or filling out an Arby's customer satisfaction survey while sitting on a gas station toilet. He doesn't give a fuck who the audience is -- you're still gonna get precisely the same level of effort and attention to detail. He's not cheaply gauging his audience, and then putting out a corresponding level of effort. That's integrity. You're setting a very high bar. I'm not sure any of us can get over that.
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Post by dannycater on Mar 27, 2024 13:07:56 GMT
Eye test on 27...he's terrible offensively...look, the guy was a world-beater the moment he joined Bs..then he got destroyed in that famous hit...then he became Norris first 30something games last season...then he just went to pieces...you sure you watch the games...did you see him panic when Carlo sent that pass as he tripped (Carlo trips and it's like a tree in the forest) off boards? He is panic central a lot...on a 6 on 5, you really want him out there when the B's need a goal?
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 27, 2024 13:09:32 GMT
It's futile to explain how little 48 offers. What is worse is we are not here to convince bookthey, we are here to convince the Monty Has No Clothes...for whatever reason, he is convinced that 48 is a top pairing d guy with 73 and offense be damned on using 12, and make sure poor offense 27 be on the #2 PP, and forcefeed 48 no matter what even if it might actually not be a bad idea to healthy scratch (this is what I mean by blocking other guys). Not dressing 6 or 12 on a d corps that is so putrid on offense it's now just obnoxious...this is bad coaching. Our shoot more 73 has zero points now in 10 straight games playing #1 PP and he's the offensive star of the D. It's a rarity to run across anyone who defends Grzelcyk. But then again I have gone to bat for some NHL players were I was in the minority. Whatever to each their own. When you say anyone, you're excluding the coaching staff, management, the broadcast team.... Other than fans and hot take specialists, you know what? I don't hear anyone talk about Grz. I never hear another team's broadcast crew say the keys to the game to beat the Bruins are 1) hit Grz. 2) two man forecheck on Grz. 3) take advantage of Boston's "top pairing" playing Grz. And you know what they say about defensemen and not being talked about.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 27, 2024 13:12:19 GMT
Eye test on 27...he's terrible offensively...look, the guy was a world-beater the moment he joined Bs..then he got destroyed in that famous hit...then he became Norris first 30something games last season...then he just went to pieces...you sure you watch the games...did you see him panic when Carlo sent that pass as he tripped (Carlo trips and it's like a tree in the forest) off boards? He is panic central a lot...on a 6 on 5, you really want him out there when the B's need a goal? 0.53 points/game since he became a Bruin. I don't know what is in his head this year that has affected his scoring but I will trust the long record rather than the short one and say yes, I would rather have him on the roster all game and trust he has the talent to help IF you end up in a 6on5 with the goalie pulled. This and the Shattenkirk argument are both positing making fundamental changes to the lineup because of game situations that occur for a grand total of 2 minutes if they happen at all.
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Post by dannycater on Mar 27, 2024 13:12:49 GMT
Points per 60 minutes on PP: Shat 7.7, Hampus 3.3
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 27, 2024 13:17:41 GMT
"it's the degree of his failings have been greatly exaggerated" You are in the minority as a Bruins fan and how others view Grzelcyk. You can keep spinning his or Reddens play all you want. What isn't abundantly clear to most but not you. Is all on your perception. Grzelcyk is barely a 7th dman if that on this Bruins roster. You have been nothing but on excuses mode for Grzelcyk. He's terrible under the bigger stronger forwards. He is shielded by McAvoy. I usually like a lot of book's thoughts. But his defending of Mr. Graesslich left me with only one possible choice of image...I try not to pay so much attention to stats anymore (I used to a lot). What I see when I watch Bruins games and #48 enters my view is usually an obviously timid dman who's afraid of contact and incapable of holding his position, as in the first Florida goal tonight, when for no apparent reason he tried to attack the Panther with the puck while his buddy McAvoy had already moved towards that guy and was a few steps ahead of Graesslich, who of course left his man, Evan Rodriguez, who ended up putting the puck over the goal line, unmarked in the crease. Oh please. Any NHL dman can pass the puck like that. If there really is one who cannot, then that guy should not be in the NHL.
Shut up, Jack. And I'm really wondering why that line (he utters it at least every other game) always comes out completely undisturbed by Mr. Edwards' otherwise obvious speech impediment.
And there you have it - the reason you should never dive too deep into the huge bottle that is alcoholism. It will impair your judgement for ages.
Shut up, CMc. This is the one moment when I'm convinced you're really as stupid as you sometimes look.
You know what? Whatever. This sums up as "I am going to believe what I believe about Grz. I am not going to look at numbers or evidence OTHER than just watching and having a preconceived judgment on this player that I then apply to each play. If the numbers contradict my feelings, the numbers are wrong. And it's not a question of hockey, it's a moral panic if someone questions me - like making excuses for Nazis! Oh, and I also hate other players on the team because I've decided that for no reason other than I think so, I think they're responsible for what I don't like." Have fun with that.
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