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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 5, 2024 17:06:22 GMT
Danny lay off the Raverside meth will yah. Someone get the man a Valium.
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Post by dannycater on Mar 5, 2024 17:23:50 GMT
Danny lay off the Raverside meth will yah. Someone get the man a Valium. Yeah, I need propofol to deal with this nonsense.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 5, 2024 18:17:50 GMT
You know what...I'll try one more time...he plays against every team's top defenders/top d guys, he is checked and hit by opponents, almost targeted--like the time one guy threw him into the post on a breakaway attempt. He runs both the #1 and #2 PP...he has no center...did I mention he plays without a center...You all want the rah-rah, fake team guys like Nick Foligno, who couldn't make the lineup for game 7 v. Florida or maybe you prefer the Laukos, nice kid, works hard, and is a team guy...Okay. He has 90 points and he doesn't have a center. His teammates love him, he has taken on a bigger role because there are 37/46 to turn to late in games. He has helped the B's to one of the top 3 teams in the NHL in points. He did that, not it was the team's entire output...no, he is responsible for the team's position..and he's a legitimate Hart Trophy candidate....for his great shooting talents, he is without a doubt one of the NHL's best passers...last game alone showed that ability. I agree he's one of the absolute most legitimate Hart candidates. If goaltending, instead of goaltenders could be nominated though, I'd pick the latter. Don't think there's many rah rahs among us, getting head injuries from falling off Foligno's bandwagon. Last night? IMHO, although 88 had a great game, I think one could get seriously ahead of oneself trying to attribute too much to pastr as an individual.our guys played Bruin hockey. they wanted the puck more. they played better positionally. they minimized the strength and flow of the TO big dogs...and they were incredibly lucky. still, our guys were outshot, out face offed, outhit, blocked fewer shots. We took more penalties, had fewer takeaways and more giveaways. all this was overcome by luck and a hungrier, more determined, focused effort. the opposition can't help but be rattled when it's 3-0 after a couple. one teency bit of good fortune making it 2-1 in the second, and everything changes. But that's hockey, and that's why we can win a Cup if we get the right breaks in each series. The breaks that always go to the Stanley cup winnerWell said. I think the first bold can be made a general point - you get ahead of yourself if you attribute too much to individuals in hockey. Did Pastrnak have his best all around game in a while because his teammates were playing Bruin hockey and taking the initiative to make plays, play at a higher tempo than they have the last month, and pressure the top Leaf players? Or did the team play Bruin hockey because they were following Pastrnak's lead and feeding of his energy? Yes. And we know the second bold is true - the last sentence is almost like "you can't expect the unexpected...by definition!" Breaks now mean nothing to the results of games in the playoffs. Gotta get there and play the games. No sense complaining that about what you think they can't do because they had a weak February.
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Post by bookboy007 on Mar 5, 2024 18:18:14 GMT
Danny lay off the Raverside meth will yah. Someone get the man a Valium. Yeah, I need propofol to deal with this nonsense. You ARE a propofol.
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Post by dannycater on Mar 5, 2024 18:21:12 GMT
Yeah, I need propofol to deal with this nonsense. You ARE a propofol. that's fighting words....book'em, Danno
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Post by dannycater on Mar 5, 2024 19:46:31 GMT
Pasta's 52 assists (how they are distributed): Player Goals Zacha 9 (6 primary) Marchand 9 (5 primary) Coyle 7 (4 primary) JVR 7 (2 primary) Geekie 6 (6 primary) McAvoy 4 (2 primary) Shattenkirk 3 (2 primary) DeBrusk 3 (2 primary) Frederic 2 (1 primary) Lindholm 1 (1 primary) Carlo 1 (1 primary)
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Post by MrHulot on Mar 7, 2024 1:57:23 GMT
Pasta's 52 assists (how they are distributed): Player Goals Zacha 9 (6 primary) Marchand 9 (5 primary) Coyle 7 (4 primary) JVR 7 (2 primary) Geekie 6 (6 primary) McAvoy 4 (2 primary) Shattenkirk 3 (2 primary) DeBrusk 3 (2 primary) Frederic 2 (1 primary) Lindholm 1 (1 primary) Carlo 1 (1 primary) ♪♫...52 reasons to keep on posting... 52 reasons to keep on posting...♫♪
I guess you like the distinct way #88 wears his pants too.
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Post by MrHulot on Mar 7, 2024 1:58:31 GMT
Thank you, Danny. But I never took this personal anyway. Now if there's a reference in a post insinuating the guys who dare to criticize Pastrnak are "idiots" or "stupid", or if someone calls me "delusional", that's a bit different - but I think I know what Chappy or DoubleOC are trying to say, and they have been such valuable contributors here (and besides, I think I can dish it out quite "nicely" too), that I don't want to escalate this.
Again, I would love #88 (& his buddy "robot" wearing #18) to prove me wrong.
I was very critical back in the day of Andrew Ference, and when Chiarells gave him an extension and a raise, I was not amused, to put it mildly. But I would totally love to own a #21 Ference jersey, because, boy, did he prove me wrong. (The famous "equipment malfunction" should have won an Oscar for the best short movie.) And I said almost two years ago that Linus Ullmark will only end up as a Wasa crisp bread finalist, never a Vezina finalist. And the following season he had one for the ages (except for his playoffs stubbornness) and wins the Vezina. Still looking for Wasa crisp bread in crow flavor... I love you even though you're delusional. Don't push it, DoubleOC
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Post by MrHulot on Mar 7, 2024 2:05:29 GMT
Look, take Pasta out of this lineup and the team would be struggling for a wild card position, or need to shut the other team out almost every night. That's just reality. Wanna know why he has so many giveaways or does what seems to be crazy high risk things? Look who he is fucking playing with most nights. Jake "one foot out the door "Debrusk and Pavel "the robot without a soul" Zacha. Move him to Marchand and Coyle that is only marginally better. So, the counter-theory is the team can use his bloated salary to get two, perhaps three NHL regulars. Sure, great. More JDB's and Zachas....and the team loses a pile of skill and still will be challenged to score. Once again, fighting for a wild card spot if they are lucky. Best case scenario, get Pasta some actual high end talent he can play with and pass to without other teams simply pressuring him and rubbing him out (yes I went there), knowing he is playing with stiffs. Fin BOOK STILL BAD You hate me now, but you'll learn to love me later. Or loathe me. It's like that 'what colour is the dress' thing. First, the "take him out and this team would suck!" argument is a red herring. No one is saying they should Sturm him or that it would somehow be addition by subtraction to move him out. That's an absurd take. Second, if this is about Book being BAAAD...little of this actually addresses my point. I basically compared him to the best offensive players in the league and the numbers show he is a dominant player. No matter how much you might dislike the style he uses to dominate, he's dominant. I, at least, am not contesting this because I never trust gut reactions to how players play when the evidence suggests something contrary (see Grz's +/-). But the fact that he makes $11M+ means that his dominance isn't some sort of surplus value to what they are paying to get from him. When he was making less than $7M, sure, I guess you could say that a couple of weeks in the dog days where he doesn't look like he cares is fair trade. But honestly, if the team is built to accommodate his $11M salary - if a key reason they DON'T have an elite C for him to play with is the size of his salary - then he is the first place I'm looking when the team is on a skid. Not the 5-6D or the 4th liners who play 1/6th of the game. And it feels like 90% of people criticizing Bruin players this season have been guys who have very little opportunity to influence the results and no statistical evidence that they're the reason for inadequate results. Instead we get contortions of logic about how Lauko's lack of offense makes Montgomery play Pastrnak too much so he gets tired and that's why he's played with all the energy of someone with Lupus all of February. The one part of this that does address my point (recognizing that M. Hulot is the one with the biggest ax to grind here) is related to the question of roster construction. Again, my point is that the very best tandems of high end cookie monsters have been among the most embarrassing and disappointing teams in the league. There's a clear and observable pattern that the Bruins - with both Pastrnak and Marchand in the top 15 scorers over the last 5 years - have fallen into along with Edmonton and Colorado and Toronto and, prior to last season, Florida. The teams with a tandem of elite scorers get boxed by physical teams with strong defensive structure and depth in the playoffs. The only exceptions have been Tampa - who needed arguably the best goaltender in the league and to use LTIR to cover the salaries of acquisitions that actually made THEM they physical team with depth and defensive structure, and Colorado, who had a similar explosion of depth that was unsustainable in a Cap world, and then went back to being a playoff disappointment. And they have, in addition to the big two scorers, arguably the best offensive defenseman since Paul Coffey. Pretty boy scoring just doesn't win in the playoffs. The 2011 Bruins won despite not having a player on the roster who scored more than 30 goals or 62 points, though. So boiling down a roster construction issue to "move out Pastrnak for three stiffs who can't score" is a failure of imagination. They could do a lot that's very different, and moving down the same road they're currently on (elite D, size up front, net-front scoring)...but it would be a lot harder to do because they've been victimized by the pattern above and it cost them a lot of their future to try and get over the hump the way Tampa and Colorado did. But no one is saying you should move him for two Zachas and boom, instacup. I don't see any path where this team is better without Pastrnak. But saying he's immune to criticism for below standard play is just a red flag for me. I think star-fucking in any sport is usually a bad sign. I hope those "Marco Sturm" references have nothing to do with me being allegedly the "one with the biggest ax to grind here" and having been brought up in Zombieland Germany. I personally liked GoalFace because he played hard and was not a bad winger (probably not as talented as #88, but I think the speedy Sturm in his prime would be a good addition to the current B's roster), not because he's German.
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Post by dannycater on Mar 7, 2024 13:48:14 GMT
Sturm did okay for B's, always remembered for Outdoor Game...I am a monster fan of Draisitl.
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Post by MrHulot on Mar 7, 2024 15:46:53 GMT
Sturm did okay for B's, always remembered for Outdoor Game...I am a monster fan of Draisitl. Just had a nice long phone conversation with a sports photographer from Germany. According to his information, Leon D. is "not the sharpest tool in the shed".
On the other hand, his team captain Connor McDavid is allegedly much better with fans than with the media - reportedly very relaxed when signing autographs, totally different from the impression one gets when he's bombarded with questions.
And, oh wonder, Sidney Crosby is also very nice with fans, and also very patient.
The best one, however, was (at least according to my friend's info) Bobby Hull. Had a long story for each autograph he signed, and he signed quite a few of them.
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Post by dannycater on Mar 7, 2024 16:33:50 GMT
Sturm did okay for B's, always remembered for Outdoor Game...I am a monster fan of Draisitl. Just had a nice long phone conversation with a sports photographer from Germany. According to his information, Leon D. is "not the sharpest tool in the shed".
On the other hand, his team captain Connor McDavid is allegedly much better with fans than with the media - reportedly very relaxed when signing autographs, totally different from the impression one gets when he's bombarded with questions.
And, oh wonder, Sidney Crosby is also very nice with fans, and also very patient.
The best one, however, was (at least according to my friend's info) Bobby Hull. Had a long story for each autograph he signed, and he signed quite a few of them.
Never met a player nicer, more gracious than Bobby Orr. When I was a kid he signed an autograph while he was waiting for a radio interview...he took some time to ask me about being a Bruins fan and liked my jersey..and get this--he was with the Blackhawks at the time...injured. He talked to me for 5 minutes when he didn't have to and by all accounts he seems to be a genuine great person. Player agent story recounted how Orr was the only agent to come to the player's house and have dinner with the family of a young player who were interviewing agents at the time. Orr, ambassador of the game. McDavid needs to get out of his shell a bit, he has a sense of humor, saw glimpses of it at All-Star Game event. But the NHL needs these young stars to be engaging...Your whipping boy Pasta absolutely understands how to have fun.
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 7, 2024 16:42:25 GMT
Pasta is great but he's the #2 cap hit in NHL and has a tendency to be dinged up / diminished in the playoffs. Id ont think that will last forever, and there will be a playoff run where he enters healthier than he usually is at that point in the season and puts these (fair) observations to bed. Just gotta hope when that happens we have enough around him. Could be this year. Hope its this year.
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Post by MrHulot on Mar 7, 2024 21:58:07 GMT
Just had a nice long phone conversation with a sports photographer from Germany. According to his information, Leon D. is "not the sharpest tool in the shed".
On the other hand, his team captain Connor McDavid is allegedly much better with fans than with the media - reportedly very relaxed when signing autographs, totally different from the impression one gets when he's bombarded with questions.
And, oh wonder, Sidney Crosby is also very nice with fans, and also very patient.
The best one, however, was (at least according to my friend's info) Bobby Hull. Had a long story for each autograph he signed, and he signed quite a few of them.
Never met a player nicer, more gracious than Bobby Orr. When I was a kid he signed an autograph while he was waiting for a radio interview...he took some time to ask me about being a Bruins fan and liked my jersey..and get this--he was with the Blackhawks at the time...injured. He talked to me for 5 minutes when he didn't have to and by all accounts he seems to be a genuine great person. Player agent story recounted how Orr was the only agent to come to the player's house and have dinner with the family of a young player who were interviewing agents at the time. Orr, ambassador of the game. McDavid needs to get out of his shell a bit, he has a sense of humor, saw glimpses of it at All-Star Game event. But the NHL needs these young stars to be engaging... Your whipping boy Pasta absolutely understands how to have fun. I don't doubt that for a second.
Problem is, sometimes some people have a bit too much fun. And his English language skills... Well, at least he's not one of those baseball stars who apparently think they are too good to learn the language at all - I hate the "he said through an interpreter" line.
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Post by dannycater on Mar 11, 2024 4:34:56 GMT
Another shitty game for 88...oh wait, 2 incredible passes, blast from the high slot..oh that's right he is a MVP candidate and this thread can go fuck itself.
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Post by chappy28 on Mar 12, 2024 18:23:21 GMT
Pasta is great but he's the #2 cap hit in NHL and has a tendency to be dinged up / diminished in the playoffs. Id ont think that will last forever, and there will be a playoff run where he enters healthier than he usually is at that point in the season and puts these (fair) observations to bed. Just gotta hope when that happens we have enough around him. Could be this year. Hope its this year. With this years team, our best really do have to be at the top of their game. We don't have the depth scoring of past years. Pasta, and also Marchand need to be healthy. McAvoy, Lindholm and Carlo will need to chew up huge minutes every night. One of our two goalies needs to be healthy, and our coach needs to play the right one.
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Post by dannycater on Mar 20, 2024 13:09:23 GMT
worst...thread...ever
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 20, 2024 13:10:56 GMT
Yep, B's should trade him while he's still worth something.
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Post by chappy28 on Mar 20, 2024 13:47:49 GMT
Yep, B's should trade him while he's still worth something. Can we just retire this thread and agree that this matter is settled, or does somebody/anybody still want to passionately make the argument that Pasta is a lazy, entitled, no good, MVP candidate that has a very positive effect on his team and generates offense night in and night out? Anybody?.....
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Post by dannycater on Mar 20, 2024 14:40:02 GMT
Try this chappy... B's are on top of standings...Pasta is 4th in NHL scoring, has 32 even strength goals, has 55 assists, 44 goals and no DK/no Bergeron... The B's have the following high-end scorers on their top lines #105 in league-Zacha #152 in JVR (healthy scratched) #163 in Freddy #171 in Root Beer and Geekie #244 in Heinen
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Post by dannycater on Mar 28, 2024 15:36:26 GMT
I have to do this...did anyone see 88's defensive plays the last few games? Does anyone see how he is on his own almost on shifts because no one else will step up? Does anyone have any idea, including the TNT crew, that his guy is not only MVP but as a winger with no real center, his production is beyond remarkable. Forget about all the questioning of his desire, or his effort, forget about all that and then look at his production even if you tried to call him lazy...this team would be 10 points behind in the standings easily or more without him on this team. It's one man show starring 88...everyone is a bit player.
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Post by The OC on Mar 28, 2024 16:44:39 GMT
I have to do this...did anyone see 88's defensive plays the last few games? Does anyone see how he is on his own almost on shifts because no one else will step up? Does anyone have any idea, including the TNT crew, that his guy is not only MVP but as a winger with no real center, his production is beyond remarkable. Forget about all the questioning of his desire, or his effort, forget about all that and then look at his production even if you tried to call him lazy...this team would be 10 points behind in the standings easily or more without him on this team. It's one man show starring 88...everyone is a bit player. It's nuts how good he is. Leads the team in takeaways defensively. And to quote the Great One last night, "it's underrated just how hard a worker he is."
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Post by #4 Bobby Orr! GOAT! on Mar 28, 2024 21:53:59 GMT
Useless fuck should have went all scheiffle on Kuntcherov’s empty netter
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Post by chappy28 on Apr 5, 2024 13:08:27 GMT
This is how I like my Pasta!
Good to see that this nonsense debate of how not-valuable Pasta is has died down so we can shift to posting rediculous highlights that he treats us to on a regular basis.
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Post by nitelite on Apr 5, 2024 15:52:17 GMT
Anyone who talks about this guy as a hockey player & his character in a negative way are FUCKING DELUSIONAL & is absolutely a pathetic Bruins fan!!!!!!!
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