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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 22, 2024 15:28:35 GMT
Big win by Detroit tonight beating the Isles. I think it's likely going to come down to Detroit and the Caps for the final spot as the Isles seem to by sliding out of it. Caps and Things play each other 2 more times. Those should be good head to head games.
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 25, 2024 13:32:19 GMT
In the Eastern conference over the weekend,the Things lost, Caps won, Isles won and lost, so for now the Caps are holding down the final WC spot. The Lightning seem to have the 1st WC spot sewn up so only one spot remains. The Caps still have a chance to catch the Flyers for 3rd in the Metro as they're 2 pts back and have 2 games in hand, they also play each other 1X.
In the Western conference it looks like there is one WC spot available with the Blues trying to catch Vegas who are 4 pts up on them. Playoff hockey tonight as Vegas visits St Loo tonight with a big 2 pts on the line, if the Blues have any hope they have to win this game.
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 25, 2024 14:38:40 GMT
Speaking of the Lightning, i just took a peek at the standings and they've been on a heater lately. As of now the LeRfs are holding down the 3rd spot in the Atlantic but are only 4 pts up on the Bolts, they also play each other 2X yet. So for now there is a lot to be decided in the Atlantic division, hmmmm, could get spicy, should be fun.
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Post by davinator on Mar 27, 2024 3:34:45 GMT
Yeah, but it doesn't work that way...you can only start the playoffs from one regular season position - not any of them. So you have to ask yourself, "If a team could hand pick the one position to start a SC run, where is statistically the best place to start?" The answer (historically) is 1st place overall. I think the issue is stats and expectations. Stats say one in 5 Cups is won by the PT team, 2 per decade. Expectation is that if you are the best RS team, you are superior and should beat everyone handily. The fact is that winning four games against the same team is hard even if you have a significantly better RS advantage. And the RS is such a marathon that most teams with great end of season records get there as much because they stayed healthy and avoided slumps more than anything else. We saw last year and in 2019, the team that starts the playoffs is what matters, not what they were doing in November. OK, I decided to dig a little more into this question of the 'curse' of trying to win the Stanley Cup after winning the President's Trophy (1985-86). So I looked it up on hockeydb.com and checked the regular season positions of Stanley Cup winners in two ways - going back to Pres. Trophy winners only and winners since the beginning of expansion (1967-68). Here's what I found. Cup winners from 1986 to 2023 finishing... 1st - 8x (21.62%) 2nd - 4x (10.81%) 3rd - 6x (16.22%) 4th - 4x (10.81%) 5th - 3x (8.11%) 6th - 3x (8.11%) 7th - 3x (8.11%) 8th - 2x (5.41%) 9th - 3x (8.11%) 10th - 0x (0.00%) 11th - 0x (0.00%) 12th - 0x (0.00%) 13th - 0x (0.00%) 14th - 1x (2.70%) - 2014 LA 15th - 0x (0.00%) 16th - 0x (0.00%) How about going back to 1967-68? Cup winners finishing... 1st - 20x (36.36%) 2nd - 7x (12.73%) 3rd - 6x (10.91%) 4th - 5x (9.09%) 5th - 5x (9.09%) 6th - 3x (5.45%) 7th - 3x (5.45%) 8th - 2x (3.64%) 9th - 3x (5.45%) 10th - 0x (0.00%) 11th - 0x (0.00%) 12th - 0x (0.00%) 13th - 0x (0.00%) 14th - 1x (1.82%) - 2014 LA 15th - 0x (0.00%) 16th - 0x (0.00%) Of course there are no guarantees, but finishing 1st overall in the regular season is STILL the best place to start the playoffs. Finishing 10th to 16th and winning the Cup is next to impossible, but finishing 2nd to 5th still shows that 9-13% have won the Cup. 6th to 9th place finishers have won the Cup around 3.5% to 5.5% of the time. Not great either.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 27, 2024 11:22:11 GMT
"3rd - 6x (16.22%)"
Ok I'd be happy with 3rd.
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Post by dannycater on Mar 27, 2024 11:30:47 GMT
I wish the NHL would just go back to high point play low point...period. The Prez Trophy doesn't give anyone any advantage, just a target on its backs. I liked it when it was 1 v. 16...dump the conferences as well. Regular season sure, playoffs, hell put them all together. 1 v. 16, 2 v. 15, 3 v. 14, 4 v. 13, 5 v. 12, 6 v. 11, 7 v. 10, 8 v. 9....then gettting high points has an incentive for once. I hate looking at the standings and seeing oh they are playing one of these 2 teams...ugh. No, play the worst fucking team going in as #1 v. 16...then if you choke, you choke. Keep the regular season the conferences, and then that's it. Dump the divisions..one whole East conference, one whole West. Division crowns are pieces of paper, Prez Trophies are participation trophies.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Mar 27, 2024 15:10:05 GMT
I think the issue is stats and expectations. Stats say one in 5 Cups is won by the PT team, 2 per decade. Expectation is that if you are the best RS team, you are superior and should beat everyone handily. The fact is that winning four games against the same team is hard even if you have a significantly better RS advantage. And the RS is such a marathon that most teams with great end of season records get there as much because they stayed healthy and avoided slumps more than anything else. We saw last year and in 2019, the team that starts the playoffs is what matters, not what they were doing in November. OK, I decided to dig a little more into this question of the 'curse' of trying to win the Stanley Cup after winning the President's Trophy (1985-86). So I looked it up on hockeydb.com and checked the regular season positions of Stanley Cup winners in two ways - going back to Pres. Trophy winners only and winners since the beginning of expansion (1967-68). Here's what I found. Cup winners from 1986 to 2023 finishing... 1st - 8x (21.62%) 2nd - 4x (10.81%) 3rd - 6x (16.22%) 4th - 4x (10.81%) 5th - 3x (8.11%) 6th - 3x (8.11%) 7th - 3x (8.11%) 8th - 2x (5.41%) 9th - 3x (8.11%) 10th - 0x (0.00%) 11th - 0x (0.00%) 12th - 0x (0.00%) 13th - 0x (0.00%) 14th - 1x (2.70%) - 2014 LA 15th - 0x (0.00%) 16th - 0x (0.00%) How about going back to 1967-68? Cup winners finishing... 1st - 20x (36.36%) 2nd - 7x (12.73%) 3rd - 6x (10.91%) 4th - 5x (9.09%) 5th - 5x (9.09%) 6th - 3x (5.45%) 7th - 3x (5.45%) 8th - 2x (3.64%) 9th - 3x (5.45%) 10th - 0x (0.00%) 11th - 0x (0.00%) 12th - 0x (0.00%) 13th - 0x (0.00%) 14th - 1x (1.82%) - 2014 LA 15th - 0x (0.00%) 16th - 0x (0.00%) Of course there are no guarantees, but finishing 1st overall in the regular season is STILL the best place to start the playoffs. Finishing 10th to 16th and winning the Cup is next to impossible, but finishing 2nd to 5th still shows that 9-13% have won the Cup. 6th to 9th place finishers have won the Cup around 3.5% to 5.5% of the time. Not great either. Have no doubt that the B’S are trying to add some more [meaningless] hardware to their mantle, but I’m rooting for 2nd in the division and warming up on the Laffs and go on from there…. Think the B’S chances against the Laffs are just as good as versus any other that’s trying to make it to the dance….
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 27, 2024 18:53:07 GMT
OK, I decided to dig a little more into this question of the 'curse' of trying to win the Stanley Cup after winning the President's Trophy (1985-86). So I looked it up on hockeydb.com and checked the regular season positions of Stanley Cup winners in two ways - going back to Pres. Trophy winners only and winners since the beginning of expansion (1967-68). Here's what I found. Cup winners from 1986 to 2023 finishing... 1st - 8x (21.62%) 2nd - 4x (10.81%) 3rd - 6x (16.22%) 4th - 4x (10.81%) 5th - 3x (8.11%) 6th - 3x (8.11%) 7th - 3x (8.11%) 8th - 2x (5.41%) 9th - 3x (8.11%) 10th - 0x (0.00%) 11th - 0x (0.00%) 12th - 0x (0.00%) 13th - 0x (0.00%) 14th - 1x (2.70%) - 2014 LA 15th - 0x (0.00%) 16th - 0x (0.00%) How about going back to 1967-68? Cup winners finishing... 1st - 20x (36.36%) 2nd - 7x (12.73%) 3rd - 6x (10.91%) 4th - 5x (9.09%) 5th - 5x (9.09%) 6th - 3x (5.45%) 7th - 3x (5.45%) 8th - 2x (3.64%) 9th - 3x (5.45%) 10th - 0x (0.00%) 11th - 0x (0.00%) 12th - 0x (0.00%) 13th - 0x (0.00%) 14th - 1x (1.82%) - 2014 LA 15th - 0x (0.00%) 16th - 0x (0.00%) Of course there are no guarantees, but finishing 1st overall in the regular season is STILL the best place to start the playoffs. Finishing 10th to 16th and winning the Cup is next to impossible, but finishing 2nd to 5th still shows that 9-13% have won the Cup. 6th to 9th place finishers have won the Cup around 3.5% to 5.5% of the time. Not great either. Have no doubt that the B’S are trying to add some more [meaningless] hardware to their mantle, but I’m rooting for 2nd in the division and warming up on the Laffs and go on from there…. Think the B’S chances against the Laffs are just as good as versus any other that’s trying to make it to the dance…. LeRfs might fall to a WC position, now that would be hilarious.
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 27, 2024 18:54:30 GMT
Caps beat the Things in OT to grab the last WC spot, 2 pts clear of Detroit with a game in hand. The West seems to be set, just seeding to be determined.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Mar 27, 2024 20:00:53 GMT
Have no doubt that the B’S are trying to add some more [meaningless] hardware to their mantle, but I’m rooting for 2nd in the division and warming up on the Laffs and go on from there…. Think the B’S chances against the Laffs are just as good as versus any other that’s trying to make it to the dance…. LeRfs might fall to a WC position, now that would be hilarious. That would certainly throw a monkey wrench into my plans…. Go Laffs!
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Mar 27, 2024 20:06:33 GMT
Caps beat the Things in OT to grab the last WC spot, 2 pts clear of Detroit with a game in hand. The West seems to be set, just seeding to be determined. Shabs must be kicking themselves for letting Charlie Lindgren go…. he’s been sensational this year….
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 27, 2024 23:20:14 GMT
Caps beat the Things in OT to grab the last WC spot, 2 pts clear of Detroit with a game in hand. The West seems to be set, just seeding to be determined. Shabs must be kicking themselves for letting Charlie Lindgren go…. he’s been sensational this year…. Lindgren didn't get much of an opportunity with Montreal, played 24 games total. I get it, Price was still there and maybe Charlie didn't show his best stuff and they moved on. Lindgren could be a late bloomer, he's 30 yrs and after he left Montreal he only played 5 games for the Blues until he signed with the Caps last year as a backup to Kuemper. As has happened many times, Kuemper got injured and Lindgren took over and has run with it, when Kuemper has got a chance to start he has stunk the joint out so it looks like the Caps will ride with Charlie. Who knows if its just a Hamburglar like hot streak or he becomes a full time tender, time will tell but he can enjoy it for now.
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 29, 2024 13:28:32 GMT
Caps are still holding onto the last WC spot, lost to TO last night but with Detroit losing 11 of their last 14 games, that's helping other teams to hang around. The Flyers are holding down the 3rd spot in the Metro but just barely, Caps 2 pts behind. The Isles beat the Panthers and are now 4 pts back, anything can happen so hold onto your sombrero's baby! The West is pretty well set, barring a late season collapse, don't see it.
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 30, 2024 16:42:15 GMT
Gonna watch the Florida Detroit game, guess i'll cheer for the Dead Things, will help with the B's trying to win the division. As i watch this Larkin gets hurt again and had to be helped of the ice , 20 seconds in, guy can't stay healthy, hopefully he's ok.
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Post by brewwins on Mar 31, 2024 2:24:55 GMT
Big log jam for Presidents trophy. Who wants it more or less?
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Post by MrHulot on Mar 31, 2024 5:31:40 GMT
Isn't it kind of ironic that the Bruins clinched a playoff berth because the Shabs beat the Flyers?
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 31, 2024 12:44:42 GMT
Isn't it kind of ironic that the Bruins clinched a playoff berth because the Shabs beat the Flyers? I will never thank those poutine eating, smurf worshiping, Frogs for anything!
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Mar 31, 2024 13:01:28 GMT
After bad losses to the Shabs and Hawks, it looks like midnight has arrived for the Flyers….
Still kudos to Torts for having kept his team in the running this long especially for needing to use a side of beef hanging from the crossbar after losing his #1 for disturbing reasons….
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 31, 2024 13:15:19 GMT
After bad losses to the Shabs and Hawks, it looks like midnight has arrived for the Flyers…. Still kudos to Torts for having kept his team in the running this long especially for needing to use a side of beef hanging from the crossbar after losing his #1 for disturbing reasons…. Ersson has done a great job as the #1 and a big reason the Flyers are still in a playoff spot but he's never had a workload like this, he's wearing down. The Flyers are in a playoff spot as we speak, they'll have their work cut out for them to keep it though.
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 31, 2024 13:16:53 GMT
Big log jam for Presidents trophy. Who wants it more or less? I think the Rags get it, they have the easiest schedule coming down the stretch, Stars are a point back though.
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Post by 50belowzero on Mar 31, 2024 13:19:36 GMT
As of right now it's lining up for a Oil & Vegas 1st round series, spicy.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Mar 31, 2024 13:33:42 GMT
Big log jam for Presidents trophy. Who wants it more or less? I think the Rags get it, they have the easiest schedule coming down the stretch, Stars are a point back though. Rags can have the pre-season award. We know when the real season starts.
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Mar 31, 2024 13:34:15 GMT
After bad losses to the Shabs and Hawks, it looks like midnight has arrived for the Flyers…. Still kudos to Torts for having kept his team in the running this long especially for needing to use a side of beef hanging from the crossbar after losing his #1 for disturbing reasons…. Ersson has done a great job as the #1 and a big reason the Flyers are still in a playoff spot but he's never had a workload like this, he's wearing down. The Flyers are in a playoff spot as we speak, they'll have their work cut out for them to keep it though. So the side of beef has over performed….
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Post by #4 Bobby Orr! GOAT! on Mar 31, 2024 13:37:40 GMT
Isn't it kind of ironic that the Bruins clinched a playoff berth because the Shabs beat the Flyers? Negative it was the dead things losing to Carolina
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Mar 31, 2024 15:15:07 GMT
I think the Rags get it, they have the easiest schedule coming down the stretch, Stars are a point back though. Rags can have the pre-season award. We know when the real season starts. Maybe first overall wouldn’t be a bad thing after all…. Although playing the Laffs is my preference, what I don’t want is a first round matchup against the Bolts…. And the way things stand now that could happen if the B’S finish second or third in the conference…. Go B’S, I’ll take who ever wins out between the Caps, Flyers, Isles or Wings…. What are the chances of lightning striking again….
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