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Post by mdsizzle on Apr 4, 2024 0:43:51 GMT
I hear you buddy.. I have been a disgruntled fan since the collapse, but starting to come around... Even stuck around for the first time this year to watch the bear hug last game because Linus deserved it. I've made it a point to change the channel immediately after a win because it made me sick and I've missed a lot of games this year after not missing one in like 30 years... I really just don't want them to repeat stupid mistakes from last year. We are in.. Rest your players and fuck the regular season and home ice.. Just be fucking ready this time and don't fuck up the goalie rotation. If they can be smart and rested, they have a good a chance as almost everyone else. #SitGryz They should be sitting pasta, Brad & Big Mac.
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Post by dannycater on Apr 4, 2024 0:46:05 GMT
They should be sitting pasta, Brad & Big Mac. Feel like the Captain has benched himself a long time ago
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Post by mdsizzle on Apr 4, 2024 0:54:56 GMT
They should be sitting pasta, Brad & Big Mac. Feel like the Captain has benched himself a long time ago He'll bench you if you don't watch out!
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Post by MrHulot on Apr 4, 2024 4:20:55 GMT
Ok- so I know the record shows something wonderful! I get it. But, I don't know if last year's collapse is lingering, or what. But, no matter how hard I try. I CANNOT be optimistic about this team. I mean they just beat Fla & played pretty fucking great against them. But, I think about this team in the playoffs & I just see 🤮! I wish I didn't feel this way, but tbh. The thought has even crossed my mind to not even watch the B's in the playoffs unless they go to the final. The thought doesn't stay long! Of course I'm watching every fucking possible second! I can't even say it's my depression, because I honestly haven't been depressed since Aug,2023. I don't know if it's the blown leads, getting pushed around too much, can't win critical defensive faceoffs, shoddy goaltending has crept in quite a bit since the all-star break. Mostly Swayman, but Ully has been guilty as well. So- that's all I said who was 90% responsible for the Bruins early season success. So- now seeing the goalies armor lose some of their kevlar. That of course isn't helping. Someone said the other day. "You can't just flick a switch once the playoffs start & expect to be successful!" That's BULLSHIT! There's been a ton of teams that have done exactly that! My hope is this year's Bruins becomes one of those teams! I hear you buddy.. I have been a disgruntled fan since the collapse, but starting to come around... Even stuck around for the first time this year to watch the bear hug last game because Linus deserved it. I've made it a point to change the channel immediately after a win because it made me sick and I've missed a lot of games this year after not missing one in like 30 years... I really just don't want them to repeat stupid mistakes from last year. We are in.. Rest your players and fuck the regular season and home ice.. Just be fucking ready this time and don't fuck up the goalie rotation. If they can be smart and rested, they have a good a chance as almost everyone else. 1964 Leafs - no goalie rotation - Johnny Bower #1 goalie 1965 Shabs - goalies played consecutive games until they lost one - Gump Worsley & Charlie Hodge 1966 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Gump Worsley #1 goalie 1967 Leafs - no goalie rotation, but goalies were switched with no detectable pattern - Johnny Bower & Terry Sawchuk 1968 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Gump Worsley #1 goalie 1969 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Rogie Vachon #1 goalie 1970 Bruins - no goalie rotation - Gerry Cheevers #1 goalie 1971 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1972 Bruins - goalie rotation (kind of) - Gerry Cheevers & Eddie Johnston 1973 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1974 Flyers - no goalie rotation - Bernie Parent #1 goalie 1975 Flyers - no goalie rotation - Bernie Parent #1 goalie 1976 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1977 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1978 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1979 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1980 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1981 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1982 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1983 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1984 Oilers - goalies played consecutive games until they lost one - Grant Fuhr & Andy Moog 1985 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Grant Fuhr #1 goalie 1986 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie 1987 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Grant Fuhr #1 goalie 1988 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Grant Fuhr #1 goalie 1989 Flames - no goalie rotation - Mike Vernon #1 goalie 1990 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Bill Ranford #1 goalie 1991 Pingu - no goalie rotation - Tom Barrasso #1 goalie 1992 Pingu - no goalie rotation - Tom Barrasso #1 goalie 1993 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie 1994 Rags - no goalie rotation - Mike Richter #1 goalie 1995 NJ - no goalie rotation - Martin Brodeur #1 goalie 1996 Avs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie
1997 Wings - no goalie rotation - Mike Vernon #1 goalie 1998 Wings - no goalie rotation - Chris Osgood #1 goalie 1999 Stars - no goalie rotation - Ed Belfour #1 goalie 2000 NJ - no goalie rotation - Martin Brodeur #1 goalie 2001 Avs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie 2002 Wings - no goalie rotation - Doofinik Hašek #1 goalie 2003 NJ - no goalie rotation - Martin Brodeur #1 goalie 2004 Tampa Bay - no goalie rotation - Nikolai Khabibulin #1 goalie 2005 season cancelled 2006 Canes - no goalie rotation - Cam Ward #1 goalie 2007 Ducks - no goalie rotation - JS Giguere #1 goalie 2008 Wings - no goalie rotation - Chris Osgood #1 goalie 2009 Pingu - no goalie rotation - JM Fleury #1 goalie 2010 Hawks - no goalie rotation - Antti Niemi #1 goalie 2011 Bruins - no goalie rotation - Tim Thomas #1 goalie 2012 Kings - no goalie rotation - Jonathan Quick #1 goalie 2013 Hawks - no goalie rotation - Corey Crawford #1 goalie 2014 Kings - no goalie rotation - Jonathan Quick #1 goalie 2015 Hawks - no goalie rotation - Corey Crawford #1 goalie
2016 Pingu - no goalie rotation - Matt Murray #1 goalie 2017 Pingu - no goalie rotation, but Matt Murray took over from JM Fleury in the Conference Finals 2018 Caps - no goalie rotation - Hoda Kotb/ Vidal Sassoon Braden Holtby #1 goalie 2019 Blues - no goalie rotation - Jordan Binnington #1 goalie
2020 Tampons - no goalie rotation - Andrei Vagisil #1 goalie 2021 Tampons - no goalie rotation - Andrei Vagisil #1 goalie 2022 Avs - no goalie rotation - Darcy Kuemper #1 goalie 2023 Vegas - no goalie rotation - Adin Hill took over from #1 goalie Laurent Brossoit after Brossoit's injury
1 (in words: one) goalie rotation in 60 seasons. In the playoffs, coaches tend to go (that's putting it mildly) with a designated #1 (quod erat demonstrandum).
A goalie rotation might work in the regular season. In the playoffs, it usually doesn't work. Some coaches even see it as a sure recipe for disaster. In the 1990 playoffs, the Winnipeg Jets were up 3 games to 1 against the Edmonton Oilers in the first round. The Oilers came back to win the series 4-3. Jets coach Bob Murdoch (R.I.P.) rotated his goalies Bob Essensa and Stéphane Beauregard no matter what had happened in the previous game, even though Beauregard could eventually be seen as a career minor league netminder with only 90 regular season and 4 playoff NHL games. Of course the 1990 Oilers were no slouches, but at that time (and not just at that time) a lot of people felt that insisting on rotating goalies was one of the factors that killed the Jets in that series.
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Post by The OC on Apr 4, 2024 4:52:26 GMT
I hear you buddy.. I have been a disgruntled fan since the collapse, but starting to come around... Even stuck around for the first time this year to watch the bear hug last game because Linus deserved it. I've made it a point to change the channel immediately after a win because it made me sick and I've missed a lot of games this year after not missing one in like 30 years... I really just don't want them to repeat stupid mistakes from last year. We are in.. Rest your players and fuck the regular season and home ice.. Just be fucking ready this time and don't fuck up the goalie rotation. If they can be smart and rested, they have a good a chance as almost everyone else. 1964 Leafs - no goalie rotation - Johnny Bower #1 goalie 1965 Shabs - goalies played consecutive games until they lost one - Gump Worsley & Charlie Hodge 1966 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Gump Worsley #1 goalie 1967 Leafs - no goalie rotation, but goalies were switched with no detectable pattern - Johnny Bower & Terry Sawchuk 1968 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Gump Worsley #1 goalie 1969 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Rogie Vachon #1 goalie 1970 Bruins - no goalie rotation - Gerry Cheevers #1 goalie 1971 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1972 Bruins - goalie rotation (kind of) - Gerry Cheevers & Eddie Johnston 1973 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1974 Flyers - no goalie rotation - Bernie Parent #1 goalie 1975 Flyers - no goalie rotation - Bernie Parent #1 goalie 1976 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1977 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1978 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1979 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1980 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1981 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1982 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1983 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1984 Oilers - goalies played consecutive games until they lost one - Grant Fuhr & Andy Moog 1985 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Grant Fuhr #1 goalie 1986 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie 1987 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Grant Fuhr #1 goalie 1988 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Grant Fuhr #1 goalie 1989 Flames - no goalie rotation - Mike Vernon #1 goalie 1990 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Bill Ranford #1 goalie 1991 Pingu - no goalie rotation - Tom Barrasso #1 goalie 1992 Pingu - no goalie rotation - Tom Barrasso #1 goalie 1993 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie 1994 Rags - no goalie rotation - Mike Richter #1 goalie 1995 NJ - no goalie rotation - Martin Brodeur #1 goalie 1996 Avs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie
1997 Wings - no goalie rotation - Mike Vernon #1 goalie 1998 Wings - no goalie rotation - Chris Osgood #1 goalie 1999 Stars - no goalie rotation - Ed Belfour #1 goalie 2000 NJ - no goalie rotation - Martin Brodeur #1 goalie 2001 Avs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie 2002 Wings - no goalie rotation - Doofinik Hašek #1 goalie 2003 NJ - no goalie rotation - Martin Brodeur #1 goalie 2004 Tampa Bay - no goalie rotation - Nikolai Khabibulin #1 goalie 2005 season cancelled 2006 Canes - no goalie rotation - Cam Ward #1 goalie 2007 Ducks - no goalie rotation - JS Giguere #1 goalie 2008 Wings - no goalie rotation - Chris Osgood #1 goalie 2009 Pingu - no goalie rotation - JM Fleury #1 goalie 2010 Hawks - no goalie rotation - Antti Niemi #1 goalie 2011 Bruins - no goalie rotation - Tim Thomas #1 goalie 2012 Kings - no goalie rotation - Jonathan Quick #1 goalie 2013 Hawks - no goalie rotation - Corey Crawford #1 goalie 2014 Kings - no goalie rotation - Jonathan Quick #1 goalie 2015 Hawks - no goalie rotation - Corey Crawford #1 goalie
2016 Pingu - no goalie rotation - Matt Murray #1 goalie 2017 Pingu - no goalie rotation, but Matt Murray took over from JM Fleury in the Conference Finals 2018 Caps - no goalie rotation - Hoda Kotb/ Vidal Sassoon Braden Holtby #1 goalie 2019 Blues - no goalie rotation - Jordan Binnington #1 goalie
2020 Tampons - no goalie rotation - Andrei Vagisil #1 goalie 2021 Tampons - no goalie rotation - Andrei Vagisil #1 goalie 2022 Avs - no goalie rotation - Darcy Kuemper #1 goalie 2023 Vegas - no goalie rotation - Adin Hill took over from #1 goalie Laurent Brossoit after Brossoit's injury
1 (in words: one) goalie rotation in 60 seasons. In the playoffs, coaches tend to go (that's putting it mildly) with a designated #1 (quod erat demonstrandum).
A goalie rotation might work in the regular season. In the playoffs, it usually doesn't work. Some coaches even see it as a sure recipe for disaster. In the 1990 playoffs, the Winnipeg Jets were up 3 games to 1 against the Edmonton Oilers in the first round. The Oilers came back to win the series 4-3. Jets coach Bob Murdoch (R.I.P.) rotated his goalies Bob Essensa and Stéphane Beauregard no matter what had happened in the previous game, even though Beauregard could eventually be seen as a career minor league netminder with only 90 regular season and 4 playoff NHL games. Of course the 1990 Oilers were no slouches, but at that time (and not just at that time) a lot of people felt that insisting on rotating goalies was one of the factors that killed the Jets in that series. blah blah, can you summarize for those who have to take some time to make breakfast and not read this wall of booktext007?
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Post by MrHulot on Apr 4, 2024 5:03:51 GMT
1964 Leafs - no goalie rotation - Johnny Bower #1 goalie 1965 Shabs - goalies played consecutive games until they lost one - Gump Worsley & Charlie Hodge 1966 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Gump Worsley #1 goalie 1967 Leafs - no goalie rotation, but goalies were switched with no detectable pattern - Johnny Bower & Terry Sawchuk 1968 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Gump Worsley #1 goalie 1969 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Rogie Vachon #1 goalie 1970 Bruins - no goalie rotation - Gerry Cheevers #1 goalie 1971 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1972 Bruins - goalie rotation (kind of) - Gerry Cheevers & Eddie Johnston 1973 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1974 Flyers - no goalie rotation - Bernie Parent #1 goalie 1975 Flyers - no goalie rotation - Bernie Parent #1 goalie 1976 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1977 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1978 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1979 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1980 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1981 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1982 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1983 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1984 Oilers - goalies played consecutive games until they lost one - Grant Fuhr & Andy Moog 1985 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Grant Fuhr #1 goalie 1986 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie 1987 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Grant Fuhr #1 goalie 1988 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Grant Fuhr #1 goalie 1989 Flames - no goalie rotation - Mike Vernon #1 goalie 1990 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Bill Ranford #1 goalie 1991 Pingu - no goalie rotation - Tom Barrasso #1 goalie 1992 Pingu - no goalie rotation - Tom Barrasso #1 goalie 1993 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie 1994 Rags - no goalie rotation - Mike Richter #1 goalie 1995 NJ - no goalie rotation - Martin Brodeur #1 goalie 1996 Avs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie
1997 Wings - no goalie rotation - Mike Vernon #1 goalie 1998 Wings - no goalie rotation - Chris Osgood #1 goalie 1999 Stars - no goalie rotation - Ed Belfour #1 goalie 2000 NJ - no goalie rotation - Martin Brodeur #1 goalie 2001 Avs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie 2002 Wings - no goalie rotation - Doofinik Hašek #1 goalie 2003 NJ - no goalie rotation - Martin Brodeur #1 goalie 2004 Tampa Bay - no goalie rotation - Nikolai Khabibulin #1 goalie 2005 season cancelled 2006 Canes - no goalie rotation - Cam Ward #1 goalie 2007 Ducks - no goalie rotation - JS Giguere #1 goalie 2008 Wings - no goalie rotation - Chris Osgood #1 goalie 2009 Pingu - no goalie rotation - JM Fleury #1 goalie 2010 Hawks - no goalie rotation - Antti Niemi #1 goalie 2011 Bruins - no goalie rotation - Tim Thomas #1 goalie 2012 Kings - no goalie rotation - Jonathan Quick #1 goalie 2013 Hawks - no goalie rotation - Corey Crawford #1 goalie 2014 Kings - no goalie rotation - Jonathan Quick #1 goalie 2015 Hawks - no goalie rotation - Corey Crawford #1 goalie
2016 Pingu - no goalie rotation - Matt Murray #1 goalie 2017 Pingu - no goalie rotation, but Matt Murray took over from JM Fleury in the Conference Finals 2018 Caps - no goalie rotation - Hoda Kotb/ Vidal Sassoon Braden Holtby #1 goalie 2019 Blues - no goalie rotation - Jordan Binnington #1 goalie
2020 Tampons - no goalie rotation - Andrei Vagisil #1 goalie 2021 Tampons - no goalie rotation - Andrei Vagisil #1 goalie 2022 Avs - no goalie rotation - Darcy Kuemper #1 goalie 2023 Vegas - no goalie rotation - Adin Hill took over from #1 goalie Laurent Brossoit after Brossoit's injury
1 (in words: one) goalie rotation in 60 seasons. In the playoffs, coaches tend to go (that's putting it mildly) with a designated #1 (quod erat demonstrandum).
A goalie rotation might work in the regular season. In the playoffs, it usually doesn't work. Some coaches even see it as a sure recipe for disaster. In the 1990 playoffs, the Winnipeg Jets were up 3 games to 1 against the Edmonton Oilers in the first round. The Oilers came back to win the series 4-3. Jets coach Bob Murdoch (R.I.P.) rotated his goalies Bob Essensa and Stéphane Beauregard no matter what had happened in the previous game, even though Beauregard could eventually be seen as a career minor league netminder with only 90 regular season and 4 playoff NHL games. Of course the 1990 Oilers were no slouches, but at that time (and not just at that time) a lot of people felt that insisting on rotating goalies was one of the factors that killed the Jets in that series. blah blah, can you summarize for those who have to take some time to make breakfast and not read this wall of booktext007? You only have to read the two paragraphs at the end to get the gist. The rest are just stats (sorry if you didn't get that).
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Post by fiberglassmask on Apr 4, 2024 5:29:26 GMT
I hate to say it, but the 1971 Bruins had the biggest collapse in Bruins playoff history before 2023, precipitated by an unnecessary rotation of Johnston in for Cheevers vs the Canadiens.
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Post by MrHulot on Apr 4, 2024 7:02:25 GMT
I hate to say it, but the 1971 Bruins had the biggest collapse in Bruins playoff history before 2023, precipitated by an unnecessary rotation of Johnston in for Cheevers vs the Canadiens. Debatable if 1971 was bigger than 2010.
If you look at it from the "best team in the league" angle, I agree; 1971 was nothing short of a catastrophe. But game 1 and 2 were on back-to-back nights. Maybe that's why Tom Johnson had Eddie Johnston start in game 2.
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Post by nitelite on Apr 4, 2024 10:46:38 GMT
I hate to say it, but the 1971 Bruins had the biggest collapse in Bruins playoff history before 2023, precipitated by an unnecessary rotation of Johnston in for Cheevers vs the Canadiens. Ummm! I think 2010 was the worst collapse in Bruins history!
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Post by mdsizzle on Apr 4, 2024 12:00:58 GMT
I hear you buddy.. I have been a disgruntled fan since the collapse, but starting to come around... Even stuck around for the first time this year to watch the bear hug last game because Linus deserved it. I've made it a point to change the channel immediately after a win because it made me sick and I've missed a lot of games this year after not missing one in like 30 years... I really just don't want them to repeat stupid mistakes from last year. We are in.. Rest your players and fuck the regular season and home ice.. Just be fucking ready this time and don't fuck up the goalie rotation. If they can be smart and rested, they have a good a chance as almost everyone else. 1964 Leafs - no goalie rotation - Johnny Bower #1 goalie 1965 Shabs - goalies played consecutive games until they lost one - Gump Worsley & Charlie Hodge 1966 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Gump Worsley #1 goalie 1967 Leafs - no goalie rotation, but goalies were switched with no detectable pattern - Johnny Bower & Terry Sawchuk 1968 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Gump Worsley #1 goalie 1969 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Rogie Vachon #1 goalie 1970 Bruins - no goalie rotation - Gerry Cheevers #1 goalie 1971 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1972 Bruins - goalie rotation (kind of) - Gerry Cheevers & Eddie Johnston 1973 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1974 Flyers - no goalie rotation - Bernie Parent #1 goalie 1975 Flyers - no goalie rotation - Bernie Parent #1 goalie 1976 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1977 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1978 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1979 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1980 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1981 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1982 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1983 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1984 Oilers - goalies played consecutive games until they lost one - Grant Fuhr & Andy Moog 1985 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Grant Fuhr #1 goalie 1986 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie 1987 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Grant Fuhr #1 goalie 1988 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Grant Fuhr #1 goalie 1989 Flames - no goalie rotation - Mike Vernon #1 goalie 1990 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Bill Ranford #1 goalie 1991 Pingu - no goalie rotation - Tom Barrasso #1 goalie 1992 Pingu - no goalie rotation - Tom Barrasso #1 goalie 1993 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie 1994 Rags - no goalie rotation - Mike Richter #1 goalie 1995 NJ - no goalie rotation - Martin Brodeur #1 goalie 1996 Avs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie
1997 Wings - no goalie rotation - Mike Vernon #1 goalie 1998 Wings - no goalie rotation - Chris Osgood #1 goalie 1999 Stars - no goalie rotation - Ed Belfour #1 goalie 2000 NJ - no goalie rotation - Martin Brodeur #1 goalie 2001 Avs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie 2002 Wings - no goalie rotation - Doofinik Hašek #1 goalie 2003 NJ - no goalie rotation - Martin Brodeur #1 goalie 2004 Tampa Bay - no goalie rotation - Nikolai Khabibulin #1 goalie 2005 season cancelled 2006 Canes - no goalie rotation - Cam Ward #1 goalie 2007 Ducks - no goalie rotation - JS Giguere #1 goalie 2008 Wings - no goalie rotation - Chris Osgood #1 goalie 2009 Pingu - no goalie rotation - JM Fleury #1 goalie 2010 Hawks - no goalie rotation - Antti Niemi #1 goalie 2011 Bruins - no goalie rotation - Tim Thomas #1 goalie 2012 Kings - no goalie rotation - Jonathan Quick #1 goalie 2013 Hawks - no goalie rotation - Corey Crawford #1 goalie 2014 Kings - no goalie rotation - Jonathan Quick #1 goalie 2015 Hawks - no goalie rotation - Corey Crawford #1 goalie
2016 Pingu - no goalie rotation - Matt Murray #1 goalie 2017 Pingu - no goalie rotation, but Matt Murray took over from JM Fleury in the Conference Finals 2018 Caps - no goalie rotation - Hoda Kotb/ Vidal Sassoon Braden Holtby #1 goalie 2019 Blues - no goalie rotation - Jordan Binnington #1 goalie
2020 Tampons - no goalie rotation - Andrei Vagisil #1 goalie 2021 Tampons - no goalie rotation - Andrei Vagisil #1 goalie 2022 Avs - no goalie rotation - Darcy Kuemper #1 goalie 2023 Vegas - no goalie rotation - Adin Hill took over from #1 goalie Laurent Brossoit after Brossoit's injury
1 (in words: one) goalie rotation in 60 seasons. In the playoffs, coaches tend to go (that's putting it mildly) with a designated #1 (quod erat demonstrandum).
A goalie rotation might work in the regular season. In the playoffs, it usually doesn't work. Some coaches even see it as a sure recipe for disaster. In the 1990 playoffs, the Winnipeg Jets were up 3 games to 1 against the Edmonton Oilers in the first round. The Oilers came back to win the series 4-3. Jets coach Bob Murdoch (R.I.P.) rotated his goalies Bob Essensa and Stéphane Beauregard no matter what had happened in the previous game, even though Beauregard could eventually be seen as a career minor league netminder with only 90 regular season and 4 playoff NHL games. Of course the 1990 Oilers were no slouches, but at that time (and not just at that time) a lot of people felt that insisting on rotating goalies was one of the factors that killed the Jets in that series. Don't care. Not one of those years had Linus and Sway. Linus has never played a full starting goalie workload. Sway has never played a full goalie work load. Linus played a 6 playoff games in a row and blew it. Sway stepped in after 2 weeks rusting on the bench and wasn't great. You've got/kept 2 starting goalies... If you are just going to staple one to the bench again it's a colossal misuse of assets. Phenomenal win loss record while rotating. Disaster when they didn't. To do something "just because that's the way it has always been done before" is a a stupid lazy brainless answer here as well as in all of life. Mind you, I'm not calling you stupid or brainless... That's just my thoughts on what's in quotes.
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Post by mdsizzle on Apr 4, 2024 12:10:30 GMT
I hate to say it, but the 1971 Bruins had the biggest collapse in Bruins playoff history before 2023, precipitated by an unnecessary rotation of Johnston in for Cheevers vs the Canadiens. Ummm! I think 2010 was the worst collapse in Bruins history! I'm definitely going last year. 2010 there was a decisive play that turned it around for Philly... Destroying Krejci... The turnaround was all Philly. Last year, not only do you have the win ingest regular season team in league history, but they shot themselves in the foot on and off the ice and flat out sucked, played stupid and blew it.
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Post by mdsizzle on Apr 4, 2024 12:18:05 GMT
Linus won the vezina last year... Sway is in the convos this year.. There's like 160 games of proof the 50/50ish rotation keeps both fresh and playing at the top of their game.. I just don't see how you fuck with that formula and completely throw out 2 years of conclusive proof of success when it matters the most... Oh ya, and don't forget already ditched the rotation formula last year and it was a MOTHER FUCKING EMBARRASSING COLOSSAL FUCKING FAIL!!! Is NOT learning from your mistakes a recipe for success? ?
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Post by dezaruchi on Apr 4, 2024 13:10:06 GMT
Ummm! I think 2010 was the worst collapse in Bruins history! I'm definitely going last year. 2010 there was a decisive play that turned it around for Philly... Destroying Krejci... The turnaround was all Philly. Last year, not only do you have the win ingest regular season team in league history, but they shot themselves in the foot on and off the ice and flat out sucked, played stupid and blew it. Ulmark gifting the Panthers an OT victory was beginning of the end. Florida was barely even in the series at that point. Ulmark gave them both life and momentum with one fucking mistake. I'm ready to forgive him though, provided he hasn't forgotten what he did and promises to never do it again.
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Post by nitelite on Apr 4, 2024 13:22:50 GMT
1964 Leafs - no goalie rotation - Johnny Bower #1 goalie 1965 Shabs - goalies played consecutive games until they lost one - Gump Worsley & Charlie Hodge 1966 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Gump Worsley #1 goalie 1967 Leafs - no goalie rotation, but goalies were switched with no detectable pattern - Johnny Bower & Terry Sawchuk 1968 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Gump Worsley #1 goalie 1969 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Rogie Vachon #1 goalie 1970 Bruins - no goalie rotation - Gerry Cheevers #1 goalie 1971 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1972 Bruins - goalie rotation (kind of) - Gerry Cheevers & Eddie Johnston 1973 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1974 Flyers - no goalie rotation - Bernie Parent #1 goalie 1975 Flyers - no goalie rotation - Bernie Parent #1 goalie 1976 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1977 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1978 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1979 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Ken Dryden #1 goalie 1980 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1981 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1982 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1983 Isles - no goalie rotation - Billy Smith #1 goalie 1984 Oilers - goalies played consecutive games until they lost one - Grant Fuhr & Andy Moog 1985 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Grant Fuhr #1 goalie 1986 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie 1987 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Grant Fuhr #1 goalie 1988 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Grant Fuhr #1 goalie 1989 Flames - no goalie rotation - Mike Vernon #1 goalie 1990 Oilers - no goalie rotation - Bill Ranford #1 goalie 1991 Pingu - no goalie rotation - Tom Barrasso #1 goalie 1992 Pingu - no goalie rotation - Tom Barrasso #1 goalie 1993 Shabs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie 1994 Rags - no goalie rotation - Mike Richter #1 goalie 1995 NJ - no goalie rotation - Martin Brodeur #1 goalie 1996 Avs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie
1997 Wings - no goalie rotation - Mike Vernon #1 goalie 1998 Wings - no goalie rotation - Chris Osgood #1 goalie 1999 Stars - no goalie rotation - Ed Belfour #1 goalie 2000 NJ - no goalie rotation - Martin Brodeur #1 goalie 2001 Avs - no goalie rotation - Patrick Roy #1 goalie 2002 Wings - no goalie rotation - Doofinik Hašek #1 goalie 2003 NJ - no goalie rotation - Martin Brodeur #1 goalie 2004 Tampa Bay - no goalie rotation - Nikolai Khabibulin #1 goalie 2005 season cancelled 2006 Canes - no goalie rotation - Cam Ward #1 goalie 2007 Ducks - no goalie rotation - JS Giguere #1 goalie 2008 Wings - no goalie rotation - Chris Osgood #1 goalie 2009 Pingu - no goalie rotation - JM Fleury #1 goalie 2010 Hawks - no goalie rotation - Antti Niemi #1 goalie 2011 Bruins - no goalie rotation - Tim Thomas #1 goalie 2012 Kings - no goalie rotation - Jonathan Quick #1 goalie 2013 Hawks - no goalie rotation - Corey Crawford #1 goalie 2014 Kings - no goalie rotation - Jonathan Quick #1 goalie 2015 Hawks - no goalie rotation - Corey Crawford #1 goalie
2016 Pingu - no goalie rotation - Matt Murray #1 goalie 2017 Pingu - no goalie rotation, but Matt Murray took over from JM Fleury in the Conference Finals 2018 Caps - no goalie rotation - Hoda Kotb/ Vidal Sassoon Braden Holtby #1 goalie 2019 Blues - no goalie rotation - Jordan Binnington #1 goalie
2020 Tampons - no goalie rotation - Andrei Vagisil #1 goalie 2021 Tampons - no goalie rotation - Andrei Vagisil #1 goalie 2022 Avs - no goalie rotation - Darcy Kuemper #1 goalie 2023 Vegas - no goalie rotation - Adin Hill took over from #1 goalie Laurent Brossoit after Brossoit's injury
1 (in words: one) goalie rotation in 60 seasons. In the playoffs, coaches tend to go (that's putting it mildly) with a designated #1 (quod erat demonstrandum).
A goalie rotation might work in the regular season. In the playoffs, it usually doesn't work. Some coaches even see it as a sure recipe for disaster. In the 1990 playoffs, the Winnipeg Jets were up 3 games to 1 against the Edmonton Oilers in the first round. The Oilers came back to win the series 4-3. Jets coach Bob Murdoch (R.I.P.) rotated his goalies Bob Essensa and Stéphane Beauregard no matter what had happened in the previous game, even though Beauregard could eventually be seen as a career minor league netminder with only 90 regular season and 4 playoff NHL games. Of course the 1990 Oilers were no slouches, but at that time (and not just at that time) a lot of people felt that insisting on rotating goalies was one of the factors that killed the Jets in that series. Don't care. Not one of those years had Linus and Sway. Linus has never played a full starting goalie workload. Sway has never played a full goalie work load. Linus played a 6 playoff games in a row and blew it. Sway stepped in after 2 weeks rusting on the bench and wasn't great. You've got/kept 2 starting goalies... If you are just going to staple one to the bench again it's a colossal misuse of assets. Phenomenal win loss record while rotating. Disaster when they didn't. To do something "just because that's the way it has always been done before" is a a stupid lazy brainless answer here as well as in all of life. Mind you, I'm not calling you stupid or brainless... That's just my thoughts on what's in quotes. BANG ON THE FUCKING CHA-CHING!! Nobody pulled their goalie for an extra attacker until Art Ross did it! It's a very low % of the time this has worked over since that inception, but it was a risk WORTH FUCKING TAKING for the betterment of the team! There is absolutely without question to me that the B's would've beat the Panthers had Swayman started game 3 & 4 l. Ully in game 5 & 6 & back to Sway for game 7 if need be!
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Post by dannycater on Apr 4, 2024 13:25:18 GMT
Trivia--name the 2nd and 3rd goalies on the 1969 Canadiens when Vachon backstopped the Cup.
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Post by dannycater on Apr 4, 2024 13:47:04 GMT
For extra credit name the 15 posters in here who knew for a fact that had the B's rotated goalies in the playoffs, they would have gotten past Florida. For extra, extra credit name the only 2 Bruins in the Florida series to each record a minus-6--hint *and Tennille*
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Apr 4, 2024 14:15:50 GMT
Trivia--name the 2nd and 3rd goalies on the 1969 Canadiens when Vachon backstopped the Cup. Gump & Tony 0…. (Thanx hockeyreference.com)…. Ernie Wakely also played that year….
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Post by thanx4memORRies on Apr 4, 2024 14:17:33 GMT
For extra credit name the 15 posters in here who knew for a fact that had the B's rotated goalies in the playoffs, they would have gotten past Florida. For extra, extra credit name the only 2 Bruins in the Florida series to each record a minus-6--hint *and Tennille* Know who’s the captain but who’s Tennille?
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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 4, 2024 15:17:04 GMT
For extra credit name the 15 posters in here who knew for a fact that had the B's rotated goalies in the playoffs, they would have gotten past Florida. For extra, extra credit name the only 2 Bruins in the Florida series to each record a minus-6--hint *and Tennille* Know who’s the captain but who’s Tennille? It's a trick question....
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Post by dannycater on Apr 4, 2024 15:20:55 GMT
Know who’s the captain but who’s Tennille? It's a trick question.... Perfection
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Post by mdsizzle on Apr 4, 2024 16:01:06 GMT
Don't care. Not one of those years had Linus and Sway. Linus has never played a full starting goalie workload. Sway has never played a full goalie work load. Linus played a 6 playoff games in a row and blew it. Sway stepped in after 2 weeks rusting on the bench and wasn't great. You've got/kept 2 starting goalies... If you are just going to staple one to the bench again it's a colossal misuse of assets. Phenomenal win loss record while rotating. Disaster when they didn't. To do something "just because that's the way it has always been done before" is a a stupid lazy brainless answer here as well as in all of life. Mind you, I'm not calling you stupid or brainless... That's just my thoughts on what's in quotes. BANG ON THE FUCKING CHA-CHING!! Nobody pulled their goalie for an extra attacker until Art Ross did it! It's a very low % of the time this has worked over since that inception, but it was a risk WORTH FUCKING TAKING for the betterment of the team! There is absolutely without question to me that the B's would've beat the Panthers had Swayman started game 3 & 4 l. Ully in game 5 & 6 & back to Sway for game 7 if need be! Absolutely... As shit as the team played, Linus was crap and litteraly gave away games too... And we're were still a hair away from winning several times. A fresh and not rusted Sway would have made the difference alone, nevermind how better Linus would have played with a little mental and physical rest. Makes no sense to me why you would abandon a proven winning formula.
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Post by mdsizzle on Apr 4, 2024 16:06:12 GMT
I'm definitely going last year. 2010 there was a decisive play that turned it around for Philly... Destroying Krejci... The turnaround was all Philly. Last year, not only do you have the win ingest regular season team in league history, but they shot themselves in the foot on and off the ice and flat out sucked, played stupid and blew it. Ulmark gifting the Panthers an OT victory was beginning of the end. Florida was barely even in the series at that point. Ulmark gave them both life and momentum with one fucking mistake. I'm ready to forgive him though, provided he hasn't forgotten what he did and promises to never do it again. Ya, I forgive him too... I blame Bob mostly for letting a struggling Linus stay out there waaaay to long and going to an ice cold Sway in desperation. Hey Sway, peel that bench off your ass and come win a game fucking 7! Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb!
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Post by dannycater on Apr 4, 2024 16:12:53 GMT
Ulmark gifting the Panthers an OT victory was beginning of the end. Florida was barely even in the series at that point. Ulmark gave them both life and momentum with one fucking mistake. I'm ready to forgive him though, provided he hasn't forgotten what he did and promises to never do it again. Ya, I forgive him too... I blame Bob mostly for letting a struggling Linus stay out there waaaay to long and going to an ice cold Sway in desperation. Hey Sway, peel that bench off your ass and come win a game fucking 7! Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb! let's not just let Sway off the hook here..the guy was down 2-0, the B's took a 3-2 lead, they had a minute remaining. He could not stop the tying goal and he surrended the winner in OT--albeit sure guys were backing up around him, but still he had just as good as chance as Bobro of making enough saves to win. Tired of this weird fascination about how "bad" Ullmark was--he was hurt and that's on the coaches, but Sway still could have come through..and he didn't.
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Post by dezaruchi on Apr 4, 2024 16:24:29 GMT
Ya, I forgive him too... I blame Bob mostly for letting a struggling Linus stay out there waaaay to long and going to an ice cold Sway in desperation. Hey Sway, peel that bench off your ass and come win a game fucking 7! Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb! let's not just let Sway off the hook here..the guy was down 2-0, the B's took a 3-2 lead, they had a minute remaining. He could not stop the tying goal and he surrended the winner in OT--albeit sure guys were backing up around him, but still he had just as good as chance as Bobro of making enough saves to win. Tired of this weird fascination about how "bad" Ullmark was--he was hurt and that's on the coaches, but Sway still could have come through..and he didn't. I actually thought Ulmark played okay for the most part but the OT giveaway was the defining play of the series. Swayman has no place in that equation. In fact, I bet he was prepared to go full "Huggy Bear" on Linus right up until then but I think it would have been too awkward to do it after that.
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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 4, 2024 16:40:39 GMT
Linus won the vezina last year... Sway is in the convos this year.. There's like 160 games of proof the 50/50ish rotation keeps both fresh and playing at the top of their game.. I just don't see how you fuck with that formula and completely throw out 2 years of conclusive proof of success when it matters the most... Oh ya, and don't forget already ditched the rotation formula last year and it was a MOTHER FUCKING EMBARRASSING COLOSSAL FUCKING FAIL!!! Is NOT learning from your mistakes a recipe for success? ? I think M. Hulot's point is just that coaches are afraid to do it because almost no one has done it before and won. Conversely, I would say that if you aren't overly Catholic about how you define rotation, you can probably think of a dozen teams that used two goalies throughout the playoffs with some success, but they just didn't win. Maybe the most successful recent example is the Flyers who took out DK and went on to lose to Chicago in the Finals. Leighton and Boucher split the games 14/12. I think that's evidence that it CAN be done, but some coach has to nut up and do it. But that makes me think of another point. When you look at that list, the league's approach on goalies has changed so much in the last 60 years. That first year on the list, Bower was 38, and he still played 50 games. Hodge and Worsley split games 8/5 in the playoffs, but the 32 yr old Hodge played 52 to Gump's 18 in the regular season, and then they flipped it the following year with Gump the clear starter despite being 38. It was pretty normal to have a 67/33 split - if not a higher percentage for starters - for a very long time. The league has only recently made the move to more teams having a platoon where the #1 plays a relatively small percentage of games more than his back-up. This season, no goalie will play more than 65 games. From 2000-01 to 2009-10, there were 68 times a goalie played 65 or more including 36 seasons of 70+ starts, 8 of them by Brodeur, 5 by Kipper, but also multiple times by Turco, Nabokov, Luongo, Lundvist, and Kolzig, and one-offs for Anderson, Backstrom and even Rayzor. By the next decade, it was down to 8 seasons of 70+ and 34 of 65+. Only Sauros and Hellebucyk have started 65+ so far this decade, and while that's skewed by the impact of COVID, that doesn't account for this severe a drop. All of that to say that one of the reasons to see this as outside of that past history is that the league has already moved away from the idea that if you have two number one goalies, you don't have a number 1 goalie - in the regular season. Most of those Cup teams that didn't platoon had HoF goalies as their number 1. I mean, you could as easily infer that you used to need a HoF goalie to win the Cup. Bower, Sawchuk, Worsley, Rogie, Cheesy, Dryden, Parent, Smith, Fuhr, Roy, Vernon (ugh...he is, unaccountably, in the HoF...), [Ranford], Barrasso, Richter, Brodeur, [Osgood], Belfour, Hasek...and then things only really start to change with Khabibulin, and you see teams managing to win with Niemi, Ward, Murray (who I think we now know was lucky to be on a heater at the right moment). Basically, it's another instance of the Cap world being different from what went before. I'm not married to the idea of a pure rotation. I do think that goalies get hot and when they're hot, they're the most valuable commodity in the playoffs. Don't rotate away from a guy who throws a 50 save shutout. Or even a 50 save one goal win. But barring signs of fire, keep both guys busy and hungry. Don't sit one because history says that's how it's been done. Nut up, Jimmy.
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