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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Oct 8, 2016 3:14:38 GMT
I think Sox win the next two at Fenway and go back to Cleveland. Lost 2 in Oakland during a 5 game series in '03 or '04 and came back. But Buchholz though.
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Post by bisson on Oct 8, 2016 13:39:33 GMT
Price is so frustrating. Any chance he's gotten to "earn" his 30m a year contract he has blown it. Whenever they need him to win a game, whether it be to stop a losing skid, keep one going, or in this case the most important game of the year, he sucks. Completely different guy this year, that 92 MPH fastball down the middle isn't fooling anyone. Not sure if he's hurt or if his arm is all ready wearing out from all the innings he's pitched, or if he just got lazy with conditioning after signing that huge contract. Was hard watching Lester pitch a gem last night against the Giants. Would be nice to have a guy like that...
I think Buccholz will pitch well tonight. He's been pitching well and tends to be pretty streaky. Wonder what happens if they win. Porcello on 3 days rest or Rodriguez?
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Post by Lord Markwart on Oct 8, 2016 14:19:08 GMT
I would not be surprised if they come back with Porcello for game 4 with Rodriguez ready in case he falters. He did not throw many pitches in Game 1 and they had Eduardo throwing in the pen last night. Then give Price another chance to earn his money in Game 5.
The key will be for Buchholz not to get shelled, that is, getting by the 3rd without a crooked number for Cleveland and they will have a chance.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Oct 8, 2016 14:25:23 GMT
I think it's a stretch to say they've figured him out. He hit .350 for 14 months. He's slumping. It happens. To literally everyone Oh they've figured him out. Far too long to call it a slump. Pitch him low and away and he'll not only chase it, he'll try and pull it. Too long to call it a slump? If it's a full calendar year then we'll talk
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Post by kelvana33 on Oct 8, 2016 14:53:47 GMT
Oh they've figured him out. Far too long to call it a slump. Pitch him low and away and he'll not only chase it, he'll try and pull it. Too long to call it a slump? If it's a full calendar year then we'll talk Hitting .242 since June 23rd. What you call that 3 plus months of? I think it's clear they've figured him out, and he needs to make adjustments. They keep pounding him outside and he keeps going for them, ugly swings too. Bradley went through this too last season when they kept jamming him inside, it was Jim Rice who actually fixed him.
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Post by 50belowzero on Oct 8, 2016 16:03:43 GMT
Price is what he is, and that is , he's not the same pitcher he was in Detroit. The Jays found that out and thats why they didn't even make Price an offer in free agency, they saw what he was. If it comes down to a 5th game and Price is on the mound? I like Cleveland's chances.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Oct 8, 2016 17:24:24 GMT
Too long to call it a slump? If it's a full calendar year then we'll talk Hitting .242 since June 23rd. What you call that 3 plus months of? I think it's clear they've figured him out, and he needs to make adjustments. They keep pounding him outside and he keeps going for them, ugly swings too. Bradley went through this too last season when they kept jamming him inside, it was Jim Rice who actually fixed him. So let's say 200 at bats. 10 more ground balls find they're way through a hole and he's hitting 300.
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Post by kelvana33 on Oct 8, 2016 18:02:42 GMT
Hitting .242 since June 23rd. What you call that 3 plus months of? I think it's clear they've figured him out, and he needs to make adjustments. They keep pounding him outside and he keeps going for them, ugly swings too. Bradley went through this too last season when they kept jamming him inside, it was Jim Rice who actually fixed him. So let's say 200 at bats. 10 more ground balls find they're way through a hole and he's hitting 300. And ten more fly balls go 10 feet further Ortiz has 48 homers, Porcello has 3 pitches 1/2 an inch lower they win game 1. My point is, if you've been watching, you'd notice Bogaerts is constantly swinging at the pitches they want him to, and he's trying to pull them. I'm confident he'll adjust though, and I'll call it now, Tomlin is just the pitcher for him to do it against too. I say him and Mookie have a big day tomorrow.
BTW, anyone else notice Benintendi looks 10 years older with the haircut? I like the flow, and the kid is fun to watch.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Oct 8, 2016 18:16:27 GMT
So let's say 200 at bats. 10 more ground balls find they're way through a hole and he's hitting 300. And ten more fly balls go 10 feet further Ortiz has 48 homers, Porcello has 3 pitches 1/2 an inch lower they win game 1. My point is, if you've been watching, you'd notice Bogaerts is constantly swinging at the pitches they want him to, and he's trying to pull them. I'm confident he'll adjust though, and I'll call it now, Tomlin is just the pitcher for him to do it against too. I say him and Mookie have a big day tomorrow.
BTW, anyone else notice Benintendi looks 10 years older with the haircut? I like the flow, and the kid is fun to watch.
You just described a slump. If they had figured him out he'd be hitting .140 not .240
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Post by kelvana33 on Oct 8, 2016 18:30:35 GMT
And ten more fly balls go 10 feet further Ortiz has 48 homers, Porcello has 3 pitches 1/2 an inch lower they win game 1. My point is, if you've been watching, you'd notice Bogaerts is constantly swinging at the pitches they want him to, and he's trying to pull them. I'm confident he'll adjust though, and I'll call it now, Tomlin is just the pitcher for him to do it against too. I say him and Mookie have a big day tomorrow.
BTW, anyone else notice Benintendi looks 10 years older with the haircut? I like the flow, and the kid is fun to watch.
You just described a slump. If they had figured him out he'd be hitting .140 not .240 To me a slump is a bad couple of weeks. Maybe it's longer for you, but I'm going on the way they're pitching him, and how he's not adjusting. To me, that's the opponent figuring you out.
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Post by bostonfan191646 on Oct 8, 2016 19:33:23 GMT
You just described a slump. If they had figured him out he'd be hitting .140 not .240 To me a slump is a bad couple of weeks. Maybe it's longer for you, but I'm going on the way they're pitching him, and how he's not adjusting. To me, that's the opponent figuring you out. Ortiz had a couple tough months. Did they figure him out?
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Post by kelvana33 on Oct 8, 2016 23:49:19 GMT
To me a slump is a bad couple of weeks. Maybe it's longer for you, but I'm going on the way they're pitching him, and how he's not adjusting. To me, that's the opponent figuring you out. Ortiz had a couple tough months. Did they figure him out? You talking mid 2000's? If so, yeah, then he made the necessary adjustments.
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Post by 50belowzero on Oct 11, 2016 14:29:05 GMT
Was that Farrell's last stand? I thought he was going to get sacked after last season, but the Sox won their division this yr, so who knows.
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Post by kelvana33 on Oct 11, 2016 15:44:29 GMT
Was that Farrell's last stand? I thought he was going to get sacked after last season, but the Sox won their division this yr, so who knows. Tough call, hard to fire a guy that won the AL East, but who knows.
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Post by islamorada on Oct 11, 2016 16:13:59 GMT
Farrell did not win the division. Several players had career years imo. The pitching staff laid an egg but 7 runs in three games is a joke. I attribute the loss to Cleveland as simply young players learning experience. On the other hand motivation of players is the responsibility of the manager. Tito did well.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Oct 11, 2016 16:27:14 GMT
Pitching, pitching, pitching. Indians had it, Red Sox did not.
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Post by Fletcher on Oct 11, 2016 17:09:19 GMT
I think Sox win the next two at Fenway and go back to Cleveland. Lost 2 in Oakland during a 5 game series in '03 or '04 and came back. But Buchholz though. 03' right? When Derek Lowe struck out two guys in a row in the bottom of the 9th of Game 5, with loaded bases, I think? He was probably out drinking til' 2 a.m. the night before too.
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Post by Fletcher on Oct 11, 2016 17:12:18 GMT
Pitching, pitching, pitching. Indians had it, Red Sox did not. Maybe they're just young and inexperienced this year, but Red Sox batters sure didn't show much poise at the plate either. I can't remember seeing more swings at bad pitches in any regular season game. Tons of check swings at balls in the dirt too. Not a lot of plate discipline and I think that made it easy for Indian pitchers to nibble at the edges and get a lot of strikes off the plate.
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Post by kelvana33 on Oct 11, 2016 17:26:27 GMT
Farrell did not win the division. Several players had career years imo. The pitching staff laid an egg but 7 runs in three games is a joke. I attribute the loss to Cleveland as simply young players learning experience. On the other hand motivation of players is the responsibility of the manager. Tito did well. Obviously not by himself, but they won it. Every team in the postseason has players that had great years. Lots of focus on the pitching but the best offense in MLB history didn't come through like they did all year.
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Post by kelvana33 on Oct 11, 2016 17:27:45 GMT
Pitching, pitching, pitching. Indians had it, Red Sox did not. Maybe they're just young and inexperienced this year, but Red Sox batters sure didn't show much poise at the plate either. I can't remember seeing more swings at bad pitches in any regular season game. Tons of check swings at balls in the dirt too. Not a lot of plate discipline and I think that made it easy for Indian pitchers to nibble at the edges and get a lot of strikes off the plate. Indians pitching staff had a great game plan, can't help but think Girardi laid out the paperwork for the rest of the league from the last time the Sox played the Yanks.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Oct 11, 2016 17:49:02 GMT
Pitching, pitching, pitching. Indians had it, Red Sox did not. Maybe they're just young and inexperienced this year, but Red Sox batters sure didn't show much poise at the plate either. I can't remember seeing more swings at bad pitches in any regular season game. Tons of check swings at balls in the dirt too. Not a lot of plate discipline and I think that made it easy for Indian pitchers to nibble at the edges and get a lot of strikes off the plate. You always wonder about a young team and how they think at the plate when the starting already has your team in the whole. I am happy about the Sox immediate future, they have some young studs in Boston now and down on the farm. This series reminded me a lot of the '05 series against the White Sox. Chicago got out in front and then crushed Boston.
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Post by bookboy007 on Oct 11, 2016 20:04:29 GMT
Pitching, pitching, pitching. Indians had it, Red Sox did not. Maybe they're just young and inexperienced this year, but Red Sox batters sure didn't show much poise at the plate either. I can't remember seeing more swings at bad pitches in any regular season game. Tons of check swings at balls in the dirt too. Not a lot of plate discipline and I think that made it easy for Indian pitchers to nibble at the edges and get a lot of strikes off the plate. It's really in stark contrast to the rest of the playoffs that I've seen. I've seen a lot of really, really good at bats. Like, really good. Against pitchers who were absolutely dialed in. The Mets/Giants was full of them. Cubs v. Giants has been great, too. Some in the Jays and Rangers. (I haven't seen more than ten minutes of the Dodgers and Nats.) The Sox just weren't taking anything like the kind of uber-professional approach I was seeing in those other series. Not even close. Best example was the final inning of the series - what in the hell is Pedroia thinking chasing ball four out of the zone? He was lucky the next pitch missed. The AL drives me mad, though. Jays had Donaldson on second and Encarnacion on first with nobody out and Bautista at the plate. Martin and Tulowitzki on deck and in the hole. I don't care if "Joey Bats" is fucking Batman, you bunt. You bunt because if Bautista gags and strikes out, now a double play gets Texas out of the inning. Move the runners so that all Martin as to do is get the ball in the air and deep enough to score Donaldson. You. Fucking. Bunt! Sure enough, Bautista strikes out, and Martin hits a ball that was a possible double play ball. If Odor keeps the ball out of the dirt, Texas is out of the inning and you've wasted a leadoff double in a situation where manufacturing that run wins you the game and the series. They aren't the Jays...they're the Horseshoes.
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Post by bookboy007 on Oct 11, 2016 20:07:35 GMT
Pitching, pitching, pitching. Indians had it, Red Sox did not. It's funny, but that's the one thing that makes such a huge difference btw the quality of a regular season ballgame and the post-season. It seems like every team in the post-season has at least one true ace and two or three guys who other teams covet because he'd be their ace. You can forget how dominating good pitching can be against the best hitters in the world.
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Post by bisson on Oct 11, 2016 20:09:16 GMT
Maybe they're just young and inexperienced this year, but Red Sox batters sure didn't show much poise at the plate either. I can't remember seeing more swings at bad pitches in any regular season game. Tons of check swings at balls in the dirt too. Not a lot of plate discipline and I think that made it easy for Indian pitchers to nibble at the edges and get a lot of strikes off the plate. The most frustrating part was watching the Indians pitchers throw fastballs right down the middle of the plate on the first pitch and the Sox players would not swing. They found them selves in 0-2 counts constantly, hard to come back from that. Holt especially, struck out looking at 3 consecutive fastballs at one point. The offense was great all year and looked really relaxed/lo0se. As soon as the playoffs started they looked timid and tight, and no one wanted to swing the bat. It was really shocking to watch.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Dec 6, 2016 16:57:31 GMT
"#RedSox trade 1B/3B Travis Shaw, SS Mauricio Dubon (12th prospect) RHP Josh Pennington (22nd prospect) to #Brewers for RP Tyler Thornburg"
Now go get Mitch Moreland.
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