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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 5:50:44 GMT
Started Mindhunter this weekend. So far, so good. It's based on a book that came out aeons ago about the original work with serial killers that led to the whole "profiling" approach. I think I read it because someone told me Thomas Harris read the book, went out to meet the people who wrote it, and had based Will Graham in Red Dragon on a pastiche of people he met. It's a fascinating read just because of the exhaustive interviews with captive serial killers that they did to mine information about serial killers. Pretty high stakes poker. It’s loosely based in experiences by John Douglas and the development of the BAU. A few of those people who did a lot of that research in the 70s are still kicking around and are some pretty interesting people. Ressler passed awhile back, he’s a major loss. The interviews with Kemper were well done, he’s a real oddball.
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Post by NAS on Sept 15, 2018 12:49:23 GMT
Anybody else here watching 90 Day Fiance? It’s the most addicting show on TV right now. I could binge watch that shit 24/7. EDIT: My wife watches 90 Day Fiance. I sometimes find myself taking a glance at the TV when she watches it. I haven't heard of it, but will try to find it after Tyler wins BB.
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Post by NAS on Sept 15, 2018 12:50:17 GMT
Ozark Ozark Ozark.
If you haven't seen it yet, you're just missing out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 17:44:15 GMT
Ozark Ozark Ozark. If you haven't seen it yet, you're just missing out. NAS, tell me what you like about Ozark. Every human I know insisted I watch it. I was hooked at Episode 1. Then every week it became more and more and more boring until I literally shut it off in mid-episode. Outside of the young psychopath chick and the hot daughter, I couldn’t care less about a single character on that show, nor any of the dull twists the story took in that dull location. I fully get that I am the only person who hates Ozark. What’s the hook? On the other hand, I finally tried Better Call Saul and Im binge watching it. And I’ve never seen Breaking Bad.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 17, 2018 20:19:41 GMT
Started Mindhunter this weekend. So far, so good. It's based on a book that came out aeons ago about the original work with serial killers that led to the whole "profiling" approach. I think I read it because someone told me Thomas Harris read the book, went out to meet the people who wrote it, and had based Will Graham in Red Dragon on a pastiche of people he met. It's a fascinating read just because of the exhaustive interviews with captive serial killers that they did to mine information about serial killers. Pretty high stakes poker. It’s loosely based in experiences by John Douglas and the development of the BAU. A few of those people who did a lot of that research in the 70s are still kicking around and are some pretty interesting people. Ressler passed awhile back, he’s a major loss. The interviews with Kemper were well done, he’s a real oddball. "What do you think should be done with people like you if rehabilitation isn't possible?" "... ... Death by torture?"
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 17, 2018 20:24:32 GMT
Ozark Ozark Ozark. If you haven't seen it yet, you're just missing out. NAS, tell me what you like about Ozark. Every human I know insisted I watch it. I was hooked at Episode 1. Then every week it became more and more and more boring until I literally shut it off in mid-episode. Outside of the young psychopath chick and the hot daughter, I couldn’t care less about a single character on that show, nor any of the dull twists the story took in that dull location. I fully get that I am the only person who hates Ozark. What’s the hook? On the other hand, I finally tried Better Call Saul and Im binge watching it. And I’ve never seen Breaking Bad. Interesting. The first person to recommend Ozark to me did the same thing. OMG, watch Ozark! Then a month later, I said "hey, I still haven't gotten around to Ozark..." and the response was more "yeah, I probably over-sold it." So I've never tried it despite being generally amused by Michael Bluth in any other role. Breaking Bad was a hard sell for me. I hated season one when I was watching it, but eventually appreciated how the claustrophobic slow pace fit. It got silly in the middle, but I thought they did a great job with the ending. "I did it because I liked it." But because it was always up and down for me, I haven't rushed out to watch Saul. Plus I prefer Bob Odenkirk in silly sketch comedy. But I'm sure it will suck me in eventually.
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Post by sportsnut on Sept 17, 2018 20:52:00 GMT
Funny the topic of Breaking Bad would come up. I'm re-watching it and for the life of me I'm having trouble remembering what I loved so much about it the first time. Maybe it's the Soprano effect. First time through, you love it. Once you realize how much of a complete sociopath monster Tony is, it loses a bit of it's luster.
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Post by Fletcher on Sept 17, 2018 23:04:37 GMT
Funny the topic of Breaking Bad would come up. I'm re-watching it and for the life of me I'm having trouble remembering what I loved so much about it the first time. Maybe it's the Soprano effect. First time through, you love it. Once you realize how much of a complete sociopath monster Tony is, it loses a bit of it's luster. I think the beauty of it was having the viewer confusion over who to root for though. I do get bored with the protagonist/antagonist plot, and good guys being likable, and bad guys being loathsome. Tony Soprano and Walter White brought lots of conflicting feelings, kind of like real people do in real life. At the beginning, I thought they sold Walter White a little too hard as a sympathetic figure -- cancer, disabled kid, poor, tragic genius stuck in a shitty job, etc. etc. But it started to get way, way more nuanced. And then at some point, of course, you're left to realize that he's a bad guy if we're being honest with ourselves and you shouldn't be pulling for him. Jesse and Hank are similarly complicated, on an opposite trajectory (you can't stand them at first, but they become somewhat laudable as the plot develops). Hank becomes an infinitly better guy than Walter, after being a loathsome dope in Season 1. I like all of the character confusion. Nobody is really good or bad. Even Skylar is such annoying pain-in-the-ass that you can overlook her being the obvious victim in the story. I still think Hank's dump is one of the best television/movie scenes I have ever watched.
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Post by Fletcher on Sept 17, 2018 23:16:14 GMT
NAS, tell me what you like about Ozark. Every human I know insisted I watch it. I was hooked at Episode 1. Then every week it became more and more and more boring until I literally shut it off in mid-episode. Outside of the young psychopath chick and the hot daughter, I couldn’t care less about a single character on that show, nor any of the dull twists the story took in that dull location. I fully get that I am the only person who hates Ozark. What’s the hook? On the other hand, I finally tried Better Call Saul and Im binge watching it. And I’ve never seen Breaking Bad. Interesting. The first person to recommend Ozark to me did the same thing. OMG, watch Ozark! Then a month later, I said "hey, I still haven't gotten around to Ozark..." and the response was more "yeah, I probably over-sold it." So I've never tried it despite being generally amused by Michael Bluth in any other role. Breaking Bad was a hard sell for me. I hated season one when I was watching it, but eventually appreciated how the claustrophobic slow pace fit. It got silly in the middle, but I thought they did a great job with the ending. "I did it because I liked it." But because it was always up and down for me, I haven't rushed out to watch Saul. Plus I prefer Bob Odenkirk in silly sketch comedy. But I'm sure it will suck me in eventually. I am trying Ozark now. I'm about 6 episodes in. Good, and I'm staying with it, but not great yet. Maybe it's partly the memory of Michael Bluth, but I find myself laughing a lot for that kinda of show. Better Call Saul is pretty good too. I agree that Breaking Bad nailed the ending. Not with the James Bond machine-gun car nonsense, but with Walter White officially dropping the victim mentality premise that the whole series is built on, and admitting that he's been living a self-serving egomaniacal fantasy (presumably because he was just tired of being a loser). His brilliance is ultimately reduced to the mentality of a high school shooter, in my opinion, and that's an impressive plot destination from the origins that were developed in season 1.
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Post by NAS on Sept 18, 2018 11:33:56 GMT
Ozark Ozark Ozark. If you haven't seen it yet, you're just missing out. NAS, tell me what you like about Ozark. Every human I know insisted I watch it. I was hooked at Episode 1. Then every week it became more and more and more boring until I literally shut it off in mid-episode. Outside of the young psychopath chick and the hot daughter, I couldn’t care less about a single character on that show, nor any of the dull twists the story took in that dull location. I fully get that I am the only person who hates Ozark. What’s the hook? On the other hand, I finally tried Better Call Saul and Im binge watching it. And I’ve never seen Breaking Bad.
I like the characters, especially the delivery of Marty Byrd. I think he's the most believable character on tv today. I think the plot is good also. Sure, it's not action packed like 24 or the greatest drama ever like The Wire, but it's fun to watch. And people get killed off. I always like when people get killed off.
The soundtrack is great also.
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Post by NAS on Sept 18, 2018 11:35:25 GMT
I watched Breaking Bad for six episodes and gave up. A friend with similar tastes in tv told me to keep going. Years later I did and boy am I happy about that. I loved it.
No luck with Saul. It was just slow and uninteresting.
Don't forget about Goliath!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 16:01:18 GMT
I will say that Saul is one of those shows you have to commit to giving it a chance. Unlike Ozark, which hooked me for awhile with a superb opening episode, Saul was in fact very slow and you have to let it develop a little. I like it because it’s just different from most of the shows I watch.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 16:10:38 GMT
It’s loosely based in experiences by John Douglas and the development of the BAU. A few of those people who did a lot of that research in the 70s are still kicking around and are some pretty interesting people. Ressler passed awhile back, he’s a major loss. The interviews with Kemper were well done, he’s a real oddball. "What do you think should be done with people like you if rehabilitation isn't possible?" "... ... Death by torture?" Kemper did actually say that. He has a couple memorable lines, the best of which to Robert Ressler when he got stuck in between guard shifts during an interview, not sure if the show portrayed that. I also liked “I just wanted to know what it would be like to shoot Grandma.”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 16:18:37 GMT
I only brought up Breaking Bad because while watching Saul I was trying to figure out who the actor was playing the “Mike” character. I guess he’s most famous for Beverly Hills Cop, but it was then when I found out Saul was a spin-off of Breaking Bad, something I totally didn’t see coming. I’m still enjoying Saul.
I can’t bring myself to be interested in Bad, I’m not sure why. I loved the Sopranos not only for the plots, but the East Coast Italian family non Mafia dynamics, that was so familiar for my upbringing. All my grandparents were off the boat from Italy, barely spoke English.
Ethnicity aside, I would compare Sopranos most closely to Sons of Anarchy, with the constant back and forth between sociopathic systematic murder and crime and family life and normalcy.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 18, 2018 17:44:10 GMT
"What do you think should be done with people like you if rehabilitation isn't possible?" "... ... Death by torture?" Kemper did actually say that. He has a couple memorable lines, the best of which to Robert Ressler when he got stuck in between guard shifts during an interview, not sure if the show portrayed that. I also liked “I just wanted to know what it would be like to shoot Grandma.” They did. Saying anything more would be a spoiler.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 18, 2018 17:49:57 GMT
I watched Breaking Bad for six episodes and gave up. A friend with similar tastes in tv told me to keep going. Years later I did and boy am I happy about that. I loved it. No luck with Saul. It was just slow and uninteresting. Don't forget about Goliath! Yeah, that's almost exactly my story, too. A friend bought the DVDs and lent me the first three seasons. After a year or two, she asked if I was done with them because other people were asking to borrow them. I had stopped after three discs of season one, and only continued because it was that or give up for good and I had invested just enough time in season one to want to see that last disc. Then I powered through seasons 2 and 3.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 18, 2018 17:57:52 GMT
I only brought up Breaking Bad because while watching Saul I was trying to figure out who the actor was playing the “Mike” character. I guess he’s most famous for Beverly Hills Cop, but it was then when I found out Saul was a spin-off of Breaking Bad, something I totally didn’t see coming. I’m still enjoying Saul. I can’t bring myself to be interested in Bad, I’m not sure why. I loved the Sopranos not only for the plots, but the East Coast Italian family non Mafia dynamics, that was so familiar for my upbringing. All my grandparents were off the boat from Italy, barely spoke English. Ethnicity aside, I would compare Sopranos most closely to Sons of Anarchy, with the constant back and forth between sociopathic systematic murder and crime and family life and normalcy. SoA had some good moments, but the writing was just infinitely better on the Sopranos. It seems pretty clear to me that SoA only really existed because the Sopranos had. And the one thing that was hugely different, of course, was that Tony didn't give much of a shit about his family any more than he did about "the Family". That was part of figuring him out over all those seasons, and it was where the first two seasons with his mother were leading from the start. The people most likely to screw Tony were family. His panic attacks came from the persistent panic of living with Livia; dad was a hired goon, so I'm going to guess he wasn't anti-spanking; Janice was an even more whacked out sociopath than Tony and carried the resentment of the family business being patriarchal around like a hammer; Junior was his biggest rival in Jersey. Even Carmela was a couple of momentary decisions away from having Furio take Tony out. In SoA, the whole Hamlet backdrop of Mom and Uncle kill Dad and take over the throne while precocious son broods about his lost daddy and not having enough proof to do anything about it was highly annoying. It just wasn't "organic" so you'd have episodes where Jax is doing horrible things with the club and then the next episode begins with "Dear Diary...I just don't know if this is the vision my daddy wanted for the club...". Gag. Much better acting on the Sopranos, too, even with the general casting of locals to get the feel of Italians in NJ.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Sept 18, 2018 18:34:48 GMT
NAS, tell me what you like about Ozark. Every human I know insisted I watch it. I was hooked at Episode 1. Then every week it became more and more and more boring until I literally shut it off in mid-episode. Outside of the young psychopath chick and the hot daughter, I couldn’t care less about a single character on that show, nor any of the dull twists the story took in that dull location. I fully get that I am the only person who hates Ozark. What’s the hook? On the other hand, I finally tried Better Call Saul and Im binge watching it. And I’ve never seen Breaking Bad. Interesting. The first person to recommend Ozark to me did the same thing. OMG, watch Ozark! Then a month later, I said "hey, I still haven't gotten around to Ozark..." and the response was more "yeah, I probably over-sold it." So I've never tried it despite being generally amused by Michael Bluth in any other role.Breaking Bad was a hard sell for me. I hated season one when I was watching it, but eventually appreciated how the claustrophobic slow pace fit. It got silly in the middle, but I thought they did a great job with the ending. "I did it because I liked it." But because it was always up and down for me, I haven't rushed out to watch Saul. Plus I prefer Bob Odenkirk in silly sketch comedy. But I'm sure it will suck me in eventually. And that can be the rub when an actor tries another type of role. Geetting pigeon holed. But Bateman is good and I am hooked. Always liked Laura Linney as well. By the way Bateman directed the 1st episode of Ozark that kicked ass.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 21:01:40 GMT
Kemper did actually say that. He has a couple memorable lines, the best of which to Robert Ressler when he got stuck in between guard shifts during an interview, not sure if the show portrayed that. I also liked “I just wanted to know what it would be like to shoot Grandma.” They did. Saying anything more would be a spoiler. OK . I don’t watch the show because I’m very familiar with this material and a few of the participants so I don’t want to watch it on screen because it’s annoying when it’s messed up.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 19, 2018 19:40:33 GMT
They did. Saying anything more would be a spoiler. OK . I don’t watch the show because I’m very familiar with this material and a few of the participants so I don’t want to watch it on screen because it’s annoying when it’s messed up. I read Mindhunter when it came out, so I'm familiar with the story. But this sounds like you'd have some good stories to share at the Vegas trip if that ever happens.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 15:54:43 GMT
I’m a little confused how this relates to the Vegas game but I bought the tix already, so it’s definitely happening.
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Post by 50belowzero on Sept 20, 2018 18:18:26 GMT
I’m a little confused how this relates to the Vegas game but I bought the tix already, so it’s definitely happening. Don't be confused, you going to a Vegas game and Bruins Nation going to Vegas en masse for a few nights of debauchery, are two totally different things. Enjoy the game!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 5:11:04 GMT
I’m a little confused how this relates to the Vegas game but I bought the tix already, so it’s definitely happening. Don't be confused, you going to a Vegas game and Bruins Nation going to Vegas en masse for a few nights of debauchery, are two totally different things. Enjoy the game! Aaaaaaahhhh... I get it. Too often I feel like I missed an episode or two of what’s going on.... lol.
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Post by Corky on Oct 15, 2018 4:03:27 GMT
A lot of football, baseball and hockey. And, Fox News.
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Post by bookboy007 on Apr 23, 2019 19:56:10 GMT
NAS, I finally got around to Bosch. Binged my way through the first four seasons. Finished season four after the game on Sunday. Then Crave popped up with Season 5, episode one, much to my surprise! I like it. Obviously. Welliver is good as Bosch but there are just enough moments of "oh, yeah...the hard boiled former special forces guy turned cop who is a jazz aficionado..." that it needs the rest of the cast to carry it through for me. Really like the fact they gave up on giving him a love interest season by season. Crate and Barrel = Hitchcock and Scully. The rotating captaincy. I'm convinced the Chief is actually a lizard in a person suit. I could do without the former 24 actors, but more without Maddie channelling Bauer's sulky, selfish princess daughter. Good show.
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