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Post by mdsizzle on Feb 13, 2022 21:59:01 GMT
Since we are now down to two for the immediate future, maybe we can use this to track their progress.
Since Tuuk retired its been a shutout for Swayman and a big-time tinker from Ullmark. In linus's defense, the Canes are not exactly bottom feeders and they smoked us up and down the ice, so not exactly an easy one for Linus.. Although he did look pretty putrid as far as the eye test goes and gross stars aside.
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Post by dannycater on Feb 13, 2022 23:58:23 GMT
I think both can be effective, both can be awful, and both can be at times outstanding--like Swayman yesterday. I think now that the Rask distraction is gone, it will be a better overall fit..camaraderie means something to me and both Sway-Ull have that with the postgame Bear Hugs and you can see they get excited for each other. That's a good thing in a tandem. I mean part of me says fuck it, get one more vet goalie just in case at the deadline for cheap change and a pick...but I don't even know who would be able to step in and suddenly be the playoff goalie...just don't thing they are out there available...anyway, good for Roadhouse and Ullmark will be fine--B's left him out to dry v. Carolina. Other than that, recent performances suggest he's been better than average. I have been a sky is falling of late fan, but it was scary bad how the team looked without 63-37...that needs to not happen anymore...if it happens one more time where a team thoroughly embarrasses the B's--then we know this team doesn't have character.
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Post by dannycater on Feb 14, 2022 0:01:10 GMT
And honestly, there is no rule on playoffs. Lemelin and Moog switched off, and so did Johnston and Cheevers...to me, play either goalie in the playoffs..don't be hellbent on one..just my 2 cents.
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Post by nitelite on Feb 14, 2022 1:16:13 GMT
If it were up to me. I'd go with a 4/2 rotation Swayman with the majority for the rest of the season & I'm being generous. Get Swayman as much experience as possible for the post season. Ullmark had his peak season last year in Buffalo. He's not gonna get any better no matter how much he plays, This is Linus Ullmark & it's a take it or leave it situation. I say leave it!Some of the other Bruins goalies that remind me of LU. These are the goalies that I wouldn't feel all that great as the main starter. Chad Johnson, Niklas Svedberg, Alex Auld, Jonas Gustavsson, Andrew Raycroft, Steve Shields & John Grahame. I cringed whenever a shot came in their general direction. That's where LU's talent level is for me. I would take any of these goalies over LU & wouldn't bat an eyelash.
Vitek Vanecek, Cam Talbot James Reimer Cal Petersen Anton Forsberg Adin Hill Anthony Stolarz Chris Driedger
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Post by The OC on Feb 14, 2022 1:32:48 GMT
I think Linus is a good goalie. If he does that "big man" thing well he can be solid. Reminds me a bit of Robin Lehner. The big issue I see with him is he seems a bit slow, especially side-to-side. If he plays very positionally sound as a proper modern Big G, he can use his size to be very effective. I think his lack of athleticism will hold him back from ever being considered "great".
Swayman reminds me of a young Carey Price. Sky's the limit. We're 29 games into his career and his line is .928 1.96 4SO. He's new, things could go downhill for sure, but we're getting closer to the point of a full season's worth of games and there's a lot to like. His stats would get him a Vezina.
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Post by stevegm on Feb 14, 2022 13:42:45 GMT
I feel exactly the same way about goaltending now...as I did in the offseason. It isn't worth thinking about too much. It looked earlier, that hi end tending was is in the cards, for no money. That was a gift, that was needed, as it freed up money to plug other holes that needed to be plugged, if we were to be considered contenders.
Nobody would argue that either Sway, or Linus are anything close to elite goaltenders at this point. But the options of getting one right now, at a reasonable price, just aren't probable, and...... the planets best, hottest, goalie isn't taking this group anywhere.
Therefore, the only sensible way forward, is to try and add enough pieces, to try and make this a good team. A team that can spend a bit more time in the opposition end, than in it's own, and the talent to make something of the opportunities that result in that possession. That involves a piece or 2 that's a considerable upgrade. Step 2, is exactly the same process on D. Unfortunately, it's gonna be really tough to do, because so many overpriced, bottom 9 and 7th D have to be moved out somewhere, and Intermeidate B leagues in Saskatchewan won't eat money or term, in order to bail us out of our mistakes, to get a crack at these guys.
This team is tied for 21st in goals scored. 23rd in goals against. Since 16 teams make the show, this very fundamental stat should drive home the very basic reality, that this team is a limp dik, when we remove the league bottom feeders.
Any notion that goaltending is the root answer, or cause to this reality, is also limp dik.
Goaltending is what it is. We have to be able to "compete" with playoff teams, before we worry about outstopping them. Significant change has to occur real soon. Otherwise, the only enjoyment anyone's going to get from this franchise, is the bantering we do here.
It sure ain't gonna be the games.
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Post by The OC on Feb 14, 2022 14:45:17 GMT
I feel exactly the same way about goaltending now...as I did in the offseason. It isn't worth thinking about too much. It looked earlier, that hi end tending was is in the cards, for no money. That was a gift, that was needed, as it freed up money to plug other holes that needed to be plugged, if we were to be considered contenders. Nobody would argue that either Sway, or Linus are anything close to elite goaltenders at this point. But the options of getting one right now, at a reasonable price, just aren't probable, and...... the planets best, hottest, goalie isn't taking this group anywhere. Therefore, the only sensible way forward, is to try and add enough pieces, to try and make this a good team. A team that can spend a bit more time in the opposition end, than in it's own, and the talent to make something of the opportunities that result in that possession. That involves a piece or 2 that's a considerable upgrade. Step 2, is exactly the same process on D. Unfortunately, it's gonna be really tough to do, because so many overpriced, bottom 9 and 7th D have to be moved out somewhere, and Intermeidate B leagues in Saskatchewan won't eat money or term, in order to bail us out of our mistakes, to get a crack at these guys. This team is tied for 21st in goals scored. 23rd in goals against. Since 16 teams make the show, this very fundamental stat should drive home the very basic reality, that this team is a limp dik, when we remove the league bottom feeders. Any notion that goaltending is the root answer, or cause to this reality, is also limp dik. Goaltending is what it is. We have to be able to "compete" with playoff teams, before we worry about outstopping them. Significant change has to occur real soon. Otherwise, the only enjoyment anyone's going to get from this franchise, is the bantering we do here. It sure ain't gonna be the games. Boston is 17th in gf, 14th in ga.
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Post by stevegm on Feb 14, 2022 15:25:51 GMT
I feel exactly the same way about goaltending now...as I did in the offseason. It isn't worth thinking about too much. It looked earlier, that hi end tending was is in the cards, for no money. That was a gift, that was needed, as it freed up money to plug other holes that needed to be plugged, if we were to be considered contenders. Nobody would argue that either Sway, or Linus are anything close to elite goaltenders at this point. But the options of getting one right now, at a reasonable price, just aren't probable, and...... the planets best, hottest, goalie isn't taking this group anywhere. Therefore, the only sensible way forward, is to try and add enough pieces, to try and make this a good team. A team that can spend a bit more time in the opposition end, than in it's own, and the talent to make something of the opportunities that result in that possession. That involves a piece or 2 that's a considerable upgrade. Step 2, is exactly the same process on D. Unfortunately, it's gonna be really tough to do, because so many overpriced, bottom 9 and 7th D have to be moved out somewhere, and Intermeidate B leagues in Saskatchewan won't eat money or term, in order to bail us out of our mistakes, to get a crack at these guys. This team is tied for 21st in goals scored. 23rd in goals against. Since 16 teams make the show, this very fundamental stat should drive home the very basic reality, that this team is a limp dik, when we remove the league bottom feeders. Any notion that goaltending is the root answer, or cause to this reality, is also limp dik. Goaltending is what it is. We have to be able to "compete" with playoff teams, before we worry about outstopping them. Significant change has to occur real soon. Otherwise, the only enjoyment anyone's going to get from this franchise, is the bantering we do here. It sure ain't gonna be the games. Boston is 17th in gf, 14th in ga. I just copied the numbers from NHL.com Checked them again. Tied with LA for 21st, GF with 134 goals scored for. Behind Dallas, and ahead of Winnipeg Sorry, the GA ranker goes from worst to best, so they aren't 23rd worst, they're 10th best with 129 Goals scored against. Which doesn't change the overall narrative. Go back to the basement, and leave me alone. I'll tell you when your lunch is ready, and I have the laundry done.
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Post by The OC on Feb 14, 2022 15:54:38 GMT
Boston is 17th in gf, 14th in ga. I just copied the numbers from NHL.com Checked them again. Tied with LA for 21st, GF with 134 goals scored for. Behind Dallas, and ahead of Winnipeg Sorry, the GA ranker goes from worst to best, so they aren't 23rd worst, they're 10th best with 129 Goals scored against. Which doesn't change the overall narrative. Go back to the basement, and leave me alone. I'll tell you when your lunch is ready, and I have the laundry done. You don't measure goals for and against. Only a dummy would do that, or someone trying to present a false narrative. You look at goals for and against PER GAME. Or I guess we can use your method and see that Ulmark has allowed 67 goals and Freddy Anderson 66. How are the Canes doing so much better?!?!?
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Post by nitelite on Feb 14, 2022 16:44:24 GMT
I just copied the numbers from NHL.com Checked them again. Tied with LA for 21st, GF with 134 goals scored for. Behind Dallas, and ahead of Winnipeg Sorry, the GA ranker goes from worst to best, so they aren't 23rd worst, they're 10th best with 129 Goals scored against. Which doesn't change the overall narrative. Go back to the basement, and leave me alone. I'll tell you when your lunch is ready, and I have the laundry done. You don't measure goals for and against. Only a dummy would do that, or someone trying to present a false narrative. You look at goals for and against PER GAME. Or I guess we can use your method and see that Ulmark has allowed 67 goals and Freddy Anderson 66. How are the Canes doing so much better?!?!? If you really are asking that question in a serious manner there's absolutely zero hope for you.
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Post by dannycater on Feb 14, 2022 17:06:57 GMT
Freddy Anderson is having a great season. Linus Ullmark is having a season. 2 different things.
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Post by The OC on Feb 14, 2022 17:09:50 GMT
You don't measure goals for and against. Only a dummy would do that, or someone trying to present a false narrative. You look at goals for and against PER GAME. Or I guess we can use your method and see that Ulmark has allowed 67 goals and Freddy Anderson 66. How are the Canes doing so much better?!?!? If you really are asking that question in a serious manner there's absolutely zero hope for you. Read my post again, try using all of your brain cells, do your best, and maybe you can fully comprehend it.
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Post by stevegm on Feb 14, 2022 17:13:43 GMT
I just copied the numbers from NHL.com Checked them again. Tied with LA for 21st, GF with 134 goals scored for. Behind Dallas, and ahead of Winnipeg Sorry, the GA ranker goes from worst to best, so they aren't 23rd worst, they're 10th best with 129 Goals scored against. Which doesn't change the overall narrative. Go back to the basement, and leave me alone. I'll tell you when your lunch is ready, and I have the laundry done. You don't measure goals for and against. Only a dummy would do that, or someone trying to present a false narrative. You look at goals for and against PER GAME. Or I guess we can use your method and see that Ulmark has allowed 67 goals and Freddy Anderson 66. How are the Canes doing so much better?!?!? I'm not simply talking about the goalies, you dumb bitch. i'm talking about the team, the overall goalie effect, and the long odds a significant overall competitive improvement that would result in spending more time and resources on goaltending. Goals for....ffs, have nothing to do with goalies. How did connecting those dots escape you?
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Post by The OC on Feb 14, 2022 17:22:25 GMT
You don't measure goals for and against. Only a dummy would do that, or someone trying to present a false narrative. You look at goals for and against PER GAME. Or I guess we can use your method and see that Ulmark has allowed 67 goals and Freddy Anderson 66. How are the Canes doing so much better?!?!? I'm not simply talking about the goalies, you dumb bitch. i'm talking about the team, the overall goalie effect, and the long odds a significant overall competitive improvement that would result in spending more time and resources on goaltending. Goals for....ffs, have nothing to do with goalies. How did connecting those dots escape you? Wow. You’re turning into an absolute dumpster fire here. Read, think, try your best.
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Post by dannycater on Feb 14, 2022 17:23:42 GMT
I'm not going to get in the middle of the argument of a goalie's worth v. a goalie team's performance/record, but I do believe that a good goalie makes a difference. I think when you are talking playoffs Flyers in the mid 2000s that ultimately poor Philly goaltending or at the very best average goaltending helped kill their Cup hopes. I think St. Louis rode Binnington on a hot streak for the most part and it helped that he was on task even in the biggest game--7th game Cup final--he has literaly sucked since. I feel without Tim Thomas there is no 2011 Cup and I feel without Rask there is no 13 finals. In 19, maybe the B's get by with okay goaltending the way the team was playing offensively on and on PP. Halak clearly was not a "playoff" goalie v. Tampa and it influenced that series in the bubble. Whether or not Ullmark/Swayman are playoff goalies is actually a complete mystery--both haven't been in the playoffs. So you can't say they will be good or not until they actually are in that situation. (don't use the Swayman relief job as a playoff experience...).
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Post by The OC on Feb 14, 2022 17:28:54 GMT
I'm not going to get in the middle of the argument of a goalie's worth v. a goalie team's performance/record, but I do believe that a good goalie makes a difference. I think when you are talking playoffs Flyers in the mid 2000s that ultimately poor Philly goaltending or at the very best average goaltending helped kill their Cup hopes. I think St. Louis rode Binnington on a hot streak for the most part and it helped that he was on task even in the biggest game--7th game Cup final--he has literaly sucked since. I feel without Tim Thomas there is no 2011 Cup and I feel without Rask there is no 13 finals. In 19, maybe the B's get by with okay goaltending the way the team was playing offensively on and on PP. Halak clearly was not a "playoff" goalie v. Tampa and it influenced that series in the bubble. Whether or not Ullmark/Swayman are playoff goalies is actually a complete mystery--both haven't been in the playoffs. So you can't say they will be good or not until they actually are in that situation. (don't use the Swayman relief job as a playoff experience...). That’s not the argument here, or at least it shouldn’t be. There’s just two - maybe three now - people who can’t comprehend English. I feel like I’m interacting with Twittle Dee, Twittle Dumb and Twittle Dumbest.
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Post by bookboy007 on Feb 14, 2022 17:32:49 GMT
I think both can be effective, both can be awful, and both can be at times outstanding--like Swayman yesterday. I think now that the Rask distraction is gone, it will be a better overall fit..camaraderie means something to me and both Sway-Ull have that with the postgame Bear Hugs and you can see they get excited for each other. That's a good thing in a tandem. I mean part of me says fuck it, get one more vet goalie just in case at the deadline for cheap change and a pick...but I don't even know who would be able to step in and suddenly be the playoff goalie...just don't thing they are out there available...anyway, good for Roadhouse and Ullmark will be fine--B's left him out to dry v. Carolina. Other than that, recent performances suggest he's been better than average. I have been a sky is falling of late fan, but it was scary bad how the team looked without 63-37...that needs to not happen anymore...if it happens one more time where a team thoroughly embarrasses the B's--then we know this team doesn't have character. If there was a goalie out there who could step in and be a playoff goalie, you could just search rumours related to Edmonton and find him. There's not. The character question is a different onion, I think. Above and beyond the skill and the fact they've made this team competitive for almost 15 years, I think the biggest thing this team is in the process of losing is the much lauded culture that was built around and by some of the core players - Bergeron, Chara, Krejci, Lucic, Marchand, but also Ference, Boychuk, Campbell, Thornton. Physical, fearless, committed to the team game - absolute faith they were never out of it. I just don't see it any more. It's lip service to what was now.
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Post by stevegm on Feb 14, 2022 17:36:18 GMT
I'm not simply talking about the goalies, you dumb bitch. i'm talking about the team, the overall goalie effect, and the long odds a significant overall competitive improvement that would result in spending more time and resources on goaltending. Goals for....ffs, have nothing to do with goalies. How did connecting those dots escape you? Wow. You’re turning into an absolute dumpster fire here. Read, think, try your best. it should be pretty easy to explain a dumpster fire. above proves you can't. separating goals for, and goals against, is a telling team stat. the Islanders, as most of the world already knows...are struggling. the fact they have scored the least number of goals in the entire NHL, is a statistical nugget, that gives a solid glimpse into one of the reasons why. the fact they've given up the leagues 3rd fewest, is another piece of information that tells a much deeper story, than their points, or their goal differential, which many consider the single most important stat.
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Post by sandogbrewin on Feb 14, 2022 17:37:09 GMT
You don't measure goals for and against. Only a dummy would do that, or someone trying to present a false narrative. You look at goals for and against PER GAME. Or I guess we can use your method and see that Ulmark has allowed 67 goals and Freddy Anderson 66. How are the Canes doing so much better?!?!? If you really are asking that question in a serious manner there's absolutely zero hope for you. Why don't you answer the question as to why there is a difference in the Canes record when Anderson is net as to the Bruins record when Ullmark is in net ? Is it because you might not like the answer ? Is there a difference in records ? And no I am not suggesting Ullmark is better than Anderson.
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Post by stevegm on Feb 14, 2022 17:47:39 GMT
I'm not going to get in the middle of the argument of a goalie's worth v. a goalie team's performance/record, but I do believe that a good goalie makes a difference. I think when you are talking playoffs Flyers in the mid 2000s that ultimately poor Philly goaltending or at the very best average goaltending helped kill their Cup hopes. I think St. Louis rode Binnington on a hot streak for the most part and it helped that he was on task even in the biggest game--7th game Cup final--he has literaly sucked since. I feel without Tim Thomas there is no 2011 Cup and I feel without Rask there is no 13 finals. In 19, maybe the B's get by with okay goaltending the way the team was playing offensively on and on PP. Halak clearly was not a "playoff" goalie v. Tampa and it influenced that series in the bubble. Whether or not Ullmark/Swayman are playoff goalies is actually a complete mystery--both haven't been in the playoffs. So you can't say they will be good or not until they actually are in that situation. (don't use the Swayman relief job as a playoff experience...). first of all....there is no argument up to this point. rather someone posting something, then someone else screaming over it, without actually having any coherent counter. everyone thinks a "good goalie makes a difference". "bad goaltending" pretty much kills a playoff round. all I've said, is that this team has greater weaknesses than goaltending, so give each their games and figure out who the hot hand is, come playoffs....if we get there. imo, it makes no sense to invest in "more goaltending options at this point"...when this team has great difficulty getting the puck out of their end, and great difficulty keeping it in the other.
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Post by The OC on Feb 14, 2022 17:51:30 GMT
Wow. You’re turning into an absolute dumpster fire here. Read, think, try your best. it should be pretty easy to explain a dumpster fire. above proves you can't. separating goals for, and goals against, is a telling team stat. the Islanders, as most of the world already knows...are struggling. the fact they have scored the least number of goals in the entire NHL, is a statistical nugget, that gives a solid glimpse into one of the reasons why. the fact they've given up the leagues 3rd fewest, is another piece of information that tells a much deeper story, than their points, or their goal differential, which many consider the single most important stat. Lol, you’re making it even worse. Stop embarrassing yourself. But let me ask, why do you think NYI have scored the fewest goals?
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Post by stevegm on Feb 14, 2022 17:59:46 GMT
If you really are asking that question in a serious manner there's absolutely zero hope for you. Why don't you answer the question as to why there is a difference in the Canes record when Anderson is net as to the Bruins record when Ullmark is in net ? Is it because you might not like the answer ? Is there a difference in records ? And no I am not suggesting Ullmark is better than Anderson. Stop being an idiot. if you "aren't suggesting Ullmark is better"...you already know the answer. And that answer(which is the fucking question no one is asking, other than some jackass being swept up in Oates's dodgeball routine) is simple. Anderson has played 1939 minutes this year. Ullmark 1448. Most garden variety half-wits don't need this shoved up their ass, before accepting the obvious.
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Post by stevegm on Feb 14, 2022 18:02:36 GMT
it should be pretty easy to explain a dumpster fire. above proves you can't. separating goals for, and goals against, is a telling team stat. the Islanders, as most of the world already knows...are struggling. the fact they have scored the least number of goals in the entire NHL, is a statistical nugget, that gives a solid glimpse into one of the reasons why. the fact they've given up the leagues 3rd fewest, is another piece of information that tells a much deeper story, than their points, or their goal differential, which many consider the single most important stat. Lol, you’re making it even worse. Stop embarrassing yourself. But let me ask, why do you think NYI have scored the fewest goals? seems to me, others have been pretty open and expansive in their thoughts. you haven't. we're way past the time to tell you in no uncertain terms, it's your turn to start providing some fuckin answers
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Post by dannycater on Feb 14, 2022 18:07:42 GMT
I'm not going to get in the middle of the argument of a goalie's worth v. a goalie team's performance/record, but I do believe that a good goalie makes a difference. I think when you are talking playoffs Flyers in the mid 2000s that ultimately poor Philly goaltending or at the very best average goaltending helped kill their Cup hopes. I think St. Louis rode Binnington on a hot streak for the most part and it helped that he was on task even in the biggest game--7th game Cup final--he has literaly sucked since. I feel without Tim Thomas there is no 2011 Cup and I feel without Rask there is no 13 finals. In 19, maybe the B's get by with okay goaltending the way the team was playing offensively on and on PP. Halak clearly was not a "playoff" goalie v. Tampa and it influenced that series in the bubble. Whether or not Ullmark/Swayman are playoff goalies is actually a complete mystery--both haven't been in the playoffs. So you can't say they will be good or not until they actually are in that situation. (don't use the Swayman relief job as a playoff experience...). That’s not the argument here, or at least it shouldn’t be. There’s just two - maybe three now - people who can’t comprehend English. I feel like I’m interacting with Twittle Dee, Twittle Dumb and Twittle Dumbest. *Who's Felicia??*...Righteous Gemstones
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Post by sandogbrewin on Feb 14, 2022 18:17:48 GMT
Why don't you answer the question as to why there is a difference in the Canes record when Anderson is net as to the Bruins record when Ullmark is in net ? Is it because you might not like the answer ? Is there a difference in records ? And no I am not suggesting Ullmark is better than Anderson. Stop being an idiot. if you "aren't suggesting Ullmark is better"...you already know the answer. And that answer(which is the fucking question no one is asking, other than some jackass being swept up in Oates's dodgeball routine) is simple. Anderson has played 1939 minutes this year. Ullmark 1448. Most garden variety half-wits don't need this shoved up their ass, before accepting the obvious. That's not the answer to the question. Its time for you to get checked in and you can start yelling at walls and the leaves blowing around. I knew you would finally blow a gasket. And now you are on ignore.
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