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Post by jmwalters on Jun 3, 2015 13:17:26 GMT
You think Sweeney should go right-handed shot ? or Best available ? Best available...always.
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Post by Fletcher on Jun 5, 2015 13:23:47 GMT
You think Sweeney should go right-handed shot ? or Best available ? Best available...always. I agree generally, but sometimes the best player available is very, very, difficult to assess and predict, and nobody agrees on it. It's a lot easier to determine to type of player or position of need. So I think you'll still end up with some combination, most of the time.
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 5, 2015 14:30:00 GMT
I agree generally, but sometimes the best player available is very, very, difficult to assess and predict, and nobody agrees on it. It's a lot easier to determine to type of player or position of need. So I think you'll still end up with some combination, most of the time. True. I guess it depends on where the team is drafting. In EDM's case it is quite simple to pick the best player available considering they have drafted so high over the last several years. Then it is up to the GM to get the proper positional players via ufa or trade. It becomes much more murky when picking further down for sure. Then it really becomes somewhat of a crapshoot
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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 5, 2015 15:06:21 GMT
I agree generally, but sometimes the best player available is very, very, difficult to assess and predict, and nobody agrees on it. It's a lot easier to determine to type of player or position of need. So I think you'll still end up with some combination, most of the time. True. I guess it depends on where the team is drafting. In EDM's case it is quite simple to pick the best player available considering they have drafted so high over the last several years. Then it is up to the GM to get the proper positional players via ufa or trade. It becomes much more murky when picking further down for sure. Then it really becomes somewhat of a crapshoot In the Oilers case,i don't think this was the right way to go,imo. After awhile,when looking at their roster they should have figured out that "we have enough,small ,speedy,offensive" forwards and looked at their Defence. They could have traded one of their high picks for a more established D or took one of the higher ranked D men available at the draft. Lowe,Tambellini,& Boldmoves never had a clue. For the Oiler fan base,hopefully PC does.
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 5, 2015 15:15:08 GMT
True. I guess it depends on where the team is drafting. In EDM's case it is quite simple to pick the best player available considering they have drafted so high over the last several years. Then it is up to the GM to get the proper positional players via ufa or trade. It becomes much more murky when picking further down for sure. Then it really becomes somewhat of a crapshoot In the Oilers case,i don't think this was the right way to go,imo. After awhile,when looking at their roster they should have figured out that "we have enough,small ,speedy,offensive" forwards and looked at their Defence. They could have traded one of their high picks for a more established D or took one of the higher ranked D men available at the draft. Lowe,Tambellini,& Boldmoves never had a clue. For the Oiler fan base,hopefully PC does. PC is fortunate in that he can learn from the previous administrations mistakes in handling both the draft and signings. I think everyone and their dog knows what that club needs by now and really the only way they are going to get what they need is via trade.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 5, 2015 15:20:03 GMT
In the Oilers case,i don't think this was the right way to go,imo. After awhile,when looking at their roster they should have figured out that "we have enough,small ,speedy,offensive" forwards and looked at their Defence. They could have traded one of their high picks for a more established D or took one of the higher ranked D men available at the draft. Lowe,Tambellini,& Boldmoves never had a clue. For the Oiler fan base,hopefully PC does. PC is fortunate in that he can learn from the previous administrations mistakes in handling both the draft and signings. I think everyone and their dog knows what that club needs by now and really the only way they are going to get what they need is via trade. Yep,i guess really the fact of the matter is,if it wasn't for such lack of foresight and an inability to build a competitive roster,the Oilers might have been a playoff team by now and would be well on their way to being competitive. As it was,they spun their wheels and never went anywhere,PC should be able to see what the team needs now,how he acquires it and how fast they get traction remains to be seen.
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 5, 2015 16:04:38 GMT
True, but it will be more difficult now than a few years ago. The cap is almost stagnant with many teams pressed up against it. Not too many trading partners out there that actually want to take salary back
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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 5, 2015 16:32:10 GMT
True, but it will be more difficult now than a few years ago. The cap is almost stagnant with many teams pressed up against it. Not too many trading partners out there that actually want to take salary back Thats what i meant by foresight,the Oil management had none. They just bought a copy of the "Hockey News draft edition" and looked at who was No#1 and picked that player,who cares if that was a positional player thay needed or not.
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Post by dezaruchi on Jun 5, 2015 16:36:31 GMT
True, but it will be more difficult now than a few years ago. The cap is almost stagnant with many teams pressed up against it. Not too many trading partners out there that actually want to take salary back Thats what i meant by foresight,the Oil management had none. They just bought a copy of the "Hockey News draft edition" and looked at who was No#1 and picked that player,who cares if that was a positional player thay needed or not. Yeah 50, it's hard to believe the Oil never drafted a stud D-man with any of those top picks.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 5, 2015 16:49:28 GMT
Thats what i meant by foresight,the Oil management had none. They just bought a copy of the "Hockey News draft edition" and looked at who was No#1 and picked that player,who cares if that was a positional player thay needed or not. Yeah 50, it's hard to believe the Oil never drafted a stud D-man with any of those top picks. I don't know if they could have gotten a stud D-man or not, its not like their easy to come by,but with all of those 1st round picks,you'd think some team might have coughed up a good D-man to move up in the draft to get a player they coveted ,who knows.
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Post by Fletcher on Jun 5, 2015 16:54:08 GMT
I always thought taking Yakupov over Ryan Murray in 2012 was a mistake, but I think that debate is still very much in play.
Keep in mind that Oscar Klefbom was taken in the 1st round (19th overall) in 2011.
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Post by dezaruchi on Jun 5, 2015 16:56:13 GMT
Yeah 50, it's hard to believe the Oil never drafted a stud D-man with any of those top picks. I don't know if they could have gotten a stud D-man or not, its not like their easy to come by,but with all of those 1st round picks,you'd think some team might have coughed up a good D-man to move up in the draft to get a player they coveted ,who knows. Ryan Murray, Rielly, Reinhart, Dumba, Trouba, just in Yaks draft year.
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Post by 50belowzero on Jun 5, 2015 17:00:16 GMT
I don't know if they could have gotten a stud D-man or not, its not like their easy to come by,but with all of those 1st round picks,you'd think some team might have coughed up a good D-man to move up in the draft to get a player they coveted ,who knows. Ryan Murray, Rielly, Reinhart, Dumba, Trouba, just in Yaks draft year. There you go,thanks for doing the research Dez,and like you say thats just in Yaks draft year,and its not even including any trade possibilities. Jacob Trouba in an Oiler uni? Now thats the type of guy that could grow with that team and its young forwards,i really like that kid,plays with an edge.
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Post by Fletcher on Jun 5, 2015 17:06:51 GMT
I don't know if they could have gotten a stud D-man or not, its not like their easy to come by,but with all of those 1st round picks,you'd think some team might have coughed up a good D-man to move up in the draft to get a player they coveted ,who knows. Ryan Murray, Rielly, Reinhart, Dumba, Trouba, just in Yaks draft year. Yeah, wow, that's quite a list...
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Post by jmwalters on Jun 5, 2015 17:21:27 GMT
Imagine Trouba and Nurse in their top 6. Add in Klefty and that's is a pretty good looking young D...oh well, hindsight is always 20/20
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Post by bookboy007 on Jun 5, 2015 17:44:10 GMT
Funnily enough, the thing the Oilers need most out of PC is a lack of fear in trading away high value or high risk assets - that is, high picks that could turn into franchise players.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jun 5, 2015 17:51:52 GMT
In the Oilers case,i don't think this was the right way to go,imo. After awhile,when looking at their roster they should have figured out that "we have enough,small ,speedy,offensive" forwards and looked at their Defence. They could have traded one of their high picks for a more established D or took one of the higher ranked D men available at the draft. Lowe,Tambellini,& Boldmoves never had a clue. For the Oiler fan base,hopefully PC does. PC is fortunate in that he can learn from the previous administrations mistakes in handling both the draft and signings. And hopefully his own mistakes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 4:26:13 GMT
True. I guess it depends on where the team is drafting. In EDM's case it is quite simple to pick the best player available considering they have drafted so high over the last several years. Then it is up to the GM to get the proper positional players via ufa or trade. It becomes much more murky when picking further down for sure. Then it really becomes somewhat of a crapshoot In the Oilers case,i don't think this was the right way to go,imo. After awhile,when looking at their roster they should have figured out that "we have enough,small ,speedy,offensive" forwards and looked at their Defence. They could have traded one of their high picks for a more established D or took one of the higher ranked D men available at the draft. Lowe,Tambellini,& Boldmoves never had a clue. For the Oiler fan base,hopefully PC does. Yea like when Poille offered Weber when they were thinking on keeping Suter over him. If they had Weber they would be so much further ahead right now, but in hindsight, they're getting McDavid now, but they still have no stud d. I bet PC offers a draft pick to the Rangers for Talbot. If Voyonov gets no jail time & the NHL allows him to come back I can see PC making a play there as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 21:38:28 GMT
Good news for Badhab. Joe Haggerty retweeted CSNNE.com @csnne 30m30 minutes ago #Bruins sign @ahlbruins regulars Cross, Randell to 1-year, 2-way deals - @hackswithhaggs ow.ly/OvkmxP.S. All I ask is one NHL game for him ........please make it happen !
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Post by dezaruchi on Jun 18, 2015 23:10:15 GMT
Good news for Badhab. Joe Haggerty retweeted CSNNE.com @csnne 30m30 minutes ago #Bruins sign @ahlbruins regulars Cross, Randell to 1-year, 2-way deals - @hackswithhaggs ow.ly/OvkmxP.S. All I ask is one NHL game for him ........please make it happen ! Then the poor guy will have to buy 2 jerseys.
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jun 18, 2015 23:22:19 GMT
Good news for Badhab. Joe Haggerty retweeted CSNNE.com @csnne 30m30 minutes ago #Bruins sign @ahlbruins regulars Cross, Randell to 1-year, 2-way deals - @hackswithhaggs ow.ly/OvkmxP.S. All I ask is one NHL game for him ........please make it happen ! Oh yes thank you for this update. And of course one game please!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 0:08:45 GMT
Good news for Badhab. Joe Haggerty retweeted CSNNE.com @csnne 30m30 minutes ago #Bruins sign @ahlbruins regulars Cross, Randell to 1-year, 2-way deals - @hackswithhaggs ow.ly/OvkmxP.S. All I ask is one NHL game for him ........please make it happen ! Then the poor guy will have to buy 2 jerseys. I'm thinking he still hasn't bought the first one yet. Soderberg.......Cross........how many people would be able to say that those two jerseys are in their collection ?
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Post by Fletcher on Jun 19, 2015 13:26:21 GMT
With the re-upping of Tyler Randall, I am really starting to wonder what the Providence roster will look like for the forwards and exactly how they will deal with what appears to be a bit of a logjam. I haven't looked at this real carefully so feel free to correct mistakes, but...
Here are the guys that you would presume are coming back from last year and would have a spot in the top-12 forwards, unless they make the big club or are sent packing (12 guys): Koko Griffith Ferlin Flick Florek* Camara Carey* Sexton Phillips Randall Lindblad Robins* * = UFAs in July, I think (I've already deleted 4 guys from the 2015 playoff roster that aren't looking like they'll be back (Kane, Cherniwchan, Werek, Stuart)
Then, they've signed these 7 guys in the past few months, and you wonder why they were signed if they weren't at least expected to play in Providence: Colton Hargrove Anton Blidh Colby Cave Justin Hickman Austin Czarnik Frank Vatrano Joonas Kemppainen
Now, with these 19 names in play (by my count), for 12 forward spots, we are speculating that they'll sign Peter Cehlarik, and the draft takes place in 10 days.
So it will be interesting to see which 12 guys actually start the season for Providence at forward, and it will also be interesting to see which 7 or 8 don't and what becomes of them. Any guesses?
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Post by islamorada on Jun 19, 2015 13:30:46 GMT
With the re-upping of Tyler Randall, I am really starting to wonder what the Providence roster will look like for the forwards and exactly how they will deal with what appears to be a bit of a logjam. I haven't looked at this real carefully so feel free to correct mistakes, but... Here are the guys that you would presume are coming back from last year and would have a spot in the top-12 forwards, unless they make the big club or are sent packing (12 guys): Koko Griffith Ferlin Flick Florek* Camara Carey* Sexton Phillips Randall Lindblad Robins* * = UFAs in July, I think (I've already deleted 4 guys from the 2015 playoff roster that aren't looking like they'll be back (Kane, Cherniwchan, Werek, Stuart) Then, they've signed these 7 guys in the past few months, and you wonder why they were signed if they weren't at least expected to play in Providence: Colton Hargrove Anton Blidh Colby Cave Justin Hickman Austin Czarnik Frank Vatrano Joonas Kemppainen Now, with these 19 names in play (by my count), for 12 forward spots, we are speculating that they'll sign Peter Cehlarik, and the draft takes place in 10 days. So it will be interesting to see which 12 guys actually start the season for Providence at forward, and it will also be interesting to see which 7 or 8 don't and what becomes of them. Any guesses? Good analysis. The 12 will also give a pretty good indication of the "style of play" desired by Bs management. Size and speed?
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Post by UtahGetMeTwo on Jun 19, 2015 15:01:53 GMT
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