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Post by badhabitude on Sept 22, 2015 23:26:00 GMT
About Carbs - the BadHab theory. If you look around at different cultures afew hundred years ago, for the most part they had 1 "staple" carb in their diet, wheat products, rice, corn, or potatoes. In our modern age wheat, corn, rice and potatoes have been genetically engineered to be significantly larger than their predecessors, plus we we have ALL of them easily available today. A few hundred years ago, they worked sun up to sun down 9 month a year to get enough potatoes (for example) that a family of 9 (needed for farm operations) could split a potato at every meal to keep brain and body functioning. Then they all sucked goat milk from the teat, drank amoeba filled well water and went to bed at 7pm.
Ah...nostalgia....
I don't put a lot of stock in the paleo diet/history says we should eat Krapola. It's biochemistry, not socioeconomics.
Yup, that describes my parents growing up, throw in some cabbage and that was about all they got!
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Post by islamorada on Sept 23, 2015 0:58:19 GMT
A quick reply to some that I have read, genetics is a key as Bookboy has mentioned. I use to laugh at my father's diet as a diabetic. Yet, even though I am not a diabetic, those eating habits he had are spot on for my diet. Fish was the key. Dried fruit is another. Water in high doses. Now where I a fail is beer, 48oz is alot as Fletch indicated but I have a high metabolic system couple with the fact I am highly active even as a retired person. The butter and cheese comments were spot on, there are ways to use light amounts. Light cheese on a dish to add flavor is better than cheese with apple pie. Butter substitues are awful, real butter in moderation is better, olive oil is the best. Lastly I have found when I hit 50 I had to go to the weight room. I lost 20 pounds but then maintained at healthy 220 with some fat until last year. My cardio dropped quite a bit then. My weight as a result rose significantly to 242 pounds. So even though I weighed198 when I was 40, I did gain muscle and strength to be 220 when I hit 60, now I am overweight. I can work hard for 6 to 8 hours doing yard work or painting etc. but my cardio still sucks. Thus hiking is the key for my future. Looking back I should have never ran in my 40s, biking would have been better (cycling classes are great now btw cause the girlies where yoga pants), muscle and cardio should have been my focus. It is genetics. Each person is different but don't look to far from the family tree for answers on what to do to hone in your lifestyle for health. So you should not look solely at weight as a factor but muscle mass imo. Lastly, here are some of the things I break my diet for: beer, Utz malt vinegar and sea salt kettle potato chips, rueben sandwichs, and even though I don't like sweets..... high end ice cream (Gelato). Fletch is also correct on Gerd, red wine is not helpful. Ginger in the form of tea, ginger snaps, or even high end ginger soda are helpful in alleviating Gerd. Fletch is also correct on fresh vegs from your garden. I don't things correctly but I try to maintain. Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 3:59:10 GMT
100% correct. The same scenario you described happened to me in 2012, when I went from 230- almost under 200 lbs. I cut out almost all carbohydrates and started walking and the lbs were melting off, until I reached a goal or two and went back to the way I used to eat. Part of America's obesity problem is the state of cooking and food itself. You could argue that food has never been better, what with all the food channels and culinary schools, and farm to table/organic ingredients. The worst of all is that all the food personalities like Rachael Ray, Giada, and Padma Laski from Top Chef are all thin. I don't remember working under any chef under 250 lbs; fat and mean bastards, one of which threw a whole fried trout at a female cook's back during service in an open kitchen. The best recommendation if you want to stay in shape is to stay single. I've had two long term relationships almost back to back, and I've never cared less about my appearance. Hygiene is where I've drawn the line. Clean clothes, a haircut, deodorant, and a shave. I've reverted to the way I thought about my appearance as a fourth grade. But, what can be done? I walked fifty minutes with the dog today, ate a salad for dinner and lunch, (romaine was going bad) took a vitamin, and hopefully I won't have a heart attack in twenty years.Lol. You and me both, HB, you and me both.
Husky and a husky shepherd cross - already out for an hour tonight and just about to go for another 40 minutes. Steak and bbq vegetables for dinner and, well, maybe 5 oz of booze. Hey, in Canada, there's a doubleheader of hockey on TV. Sue me.
Huskies are great dogs, we can't have them down here. Some people still bring them or sell them for Florida and I feel terrible for the dogs. Our Aussie is seven months old, if he doesn't get at least an hour of walking, preferably an hour hard running at the dog park, he's a nightmare to be around.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 23, 2015 12:11:24 GMT
Lol. You and me both, HB, you and me both.
Husky and a husky shepherd cross - already out for an hour tonight and just about to go for another 40 minutes. Steak and bbq vegetables for dinner and, well, maybe 5 oz of booze. Hey, in Canada, there's a doubleheader of hockey on TV. Sue me.
Huskies are great dogs, we can't have them down here. Some people still bring them or sell them for Florida and I feel terrible for the dogs. Our Aussie is seven months old, if he doesn't get at least an hour of walking, preferably an hour hard running at the dog park, he's a nightmare to be around. My dogs and I are both better suited to cold weather than hot. The white one does surprisingly well in the heat - he blows his coat to something like a lab's in the summer. Goes from looking like a wolf to looking like a starving coyote. The other one is older and mostly black, and perfectly content to lie in front of an air conditioning grate in summer now.
Aussies are great. Neighbours three doors down have one and she's amazingly responsive to verbal communication. Huskies...not so much. They know what you're saying, they just don't give a damn (not entirely true, but if they see a rabbit...). When the younger of my two was 7 months, he got bored when I was at work and chewed the bullnose of the window in my living room like goddamn beaver....
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Post by jmwalters on Sept 23, 2015 13:29:38 GMT
You know, the one thing we haven't mentioned is genetics. Hard to fight your genes. I'm guessing that there's a part of JM being a wuss that is genetic (Ha!), or BadHab expanding at a rate roughly proportionate to the universe. The only reason I know that I am, apparently, a "mesomorph" is that a trainer I worked with to recover from surgery was talking about the fact that just genetically, with that body type, you pack on muscle easily but have narrower joints and a tendency to put stress on tendons and ligaments that leads to the type of creeping rigor I have. On the one hand, a few months of decent workouts - not the Schwartzenegger variety, either - and "I'm huge, Jerry!" My father's a tank even though most of his exercise is on the golf course and the 19th hole. But because of the creeping rigor thing etc., it's easy for us to add weight around the waist without it showing too much. Wide shoulders, narrow hips, big quads and hammies means a 25lb belly is far less noticeable...but also hell to dispel. Father's been trying to drop the extra 40-50 he added as a white collar criminal (well, finance) for years. The charts say I should be between 185-190 for my height. Trainer, doctor, physio all laughed at that. If I can get back to 200, I'll be a rock. So I'm going to ... Oh, sorry, gotta go - pizza guy's here. Genetics do play a part, yes. But they are not destiny. For example, both my parents and much of their immediate family are/were as big as houses with a whole host of major health issues. However, I am not. That does not mean I can not gain weight or contract high blood pressure...etc. It just means I need to be more careful health-wise. So far its working.....except for the smoking, that cant be healthy but hey, what's one to do?
I think sometimes people tend to use genetics as an excuse for their health problems and justify their unhealthy life-styles. Nothing is destined.....free choice baby!!!
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Post by badhabitude on Sept 23, 2015 13:39:04 GMT
You know, the one thing we haven't mentioned is genetics. Hard to fight your genes. I'm guessing that there's a part of JM being a wuss that is genetic (Ha!), or BadHab expanding at a rate roughly proportionate to the universe. The only reason I know that I am, apparently, a "mesomorph" is that a trainer I worked with to recover from surgery was talking about the fact that just genetically, with that body type, you pack on muscle easily but have narrower joints and a tendency to put stress on tendons and ligaments that leads to the type of creeping rigor I have. On the one hand, a few months of decent workouts - not the Schwartzenegger variety, either - and "I'm huge, Jerry!" My father's a tank even though most of his exercise is on the golf course and the 19th hole. But because of the creeping rigor thing etc., it's easy for us to add weight around the waist without it showing too much. Wide shoulders, narrow hips, big quads and hammies means a 25lb belly is far less noticeable...but also hell to dispel. Father's been trying to drop the extra 40-50 he added as a white collar criminal (well, finance) for years. The charts say I should be between 185-190 for my height. Trainer, doctor, physio all laughed at that. If I can get back to 200, I'll be a rock. So I'm going to ... Oh, sorry, gotta go - pizza guy's here. Genetics do play a part, yes. But they are not destiny. For example, both my parents and much of their immediate family are/were as big as houses with a whole host of major health issues. However, I am not. That does not mean I can not gain weight or contract high blood pressure...etc. It just means I need to be more careful health-wise. So far its working.....except for the smoking, that cant be healthy but hey, what's one to do?
I think sometimes people tend to use genetics as an excuse for their health problems and justify their unhealthy life-styles. Nothing is destined.....free choice baby!!!
When I quit smoking I cut straws into cigarette lengths - sucking on those gave me that bit of oxygen deprivation that seemed like a cigarette. They have those patches now, too.
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Post by jmwalters on Sept 23, 2015 13:41:49 GMT
Genetics do play a part, yes. But they are not destiny. For example, both my parents and much of their immediate family are/were as big as houses with a whole host of major health issues. However, I am not. That does not mean I can not gain weight or contract high blood pressure...etc. It just means I need to be more careful health-wise. So far its working.....except for the smoking, that cant be healthy but hey, what's one to do?
I think sometimes people tend to use genetics as an excuse for their health problems and justify their unhealthy life-styles. Nothing is destined.....free choice baby!!!
When I quit smoking I cut straws into cigarette lengths - sucking on those gave me that bit of oxygen deprivation that seemed like a cigarette. They have those patches now, too. Yes but I really, really love smoking. Especially in autumn.....what can I say, I am a sucker for nostalgia?
Maybe replace tobacco with weed?
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 23, 2015 14:20:03 GMT
When I quit smoking I cut straws into cigarette lengths - sucking on those gave me that bit of oxygen deprivation that seemed like a cigarette. They have those patches now, too. Yes but I really, really love smoking. Especially in autumn.....what can I say, I am a sucker for nostalgia?
Maybe replace tobacco with weed?
Yeah... Of course, all weight control/loss advice from a smoker is suspect to those of us who quick. 18 years ago, I was at 2 packs a day. My weight was a lot closer to what it should be. I put on most of the extra weight I have now when I quit. Smoking is the greatest appetite suppressant, the best alternative to stress eating, the best cure for boredom eating, the best "something to do with your hands" when you're keyed up. I too loved it. Can't stand those fake ass death sticks now that I've smoked nothing but cigars for the last 16 years (for two years, I couldn't 'risk' tobacco of any kind). I quit cold turkey. No patches, no hypnosis, none of it. Stimrol gum, licorice root, and cinnamon flavoured toothpicks. That was the plan - strong flavoured things that I could take out my anger on. They still haven't found the bodies, so I call that a success.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 23, 2015 14:22:47 GMT
You know, the one thing we haven't mentioned is genetics. Hard to fight your genes. I'm guessing that there's a part of JM being a wuss that is genetic (Ha!), or BadHab expanding at a rate roughly proportionate to the universe. The only reason I know that I am, apparently, a "mesomorph" is that a trainer I worked with to recover from surgery was talking about the fact that just genetically, with that body type, you pack on muscle easily but have narrower joints and a tendency to put stress on tendons and ligaments that leads to the type of creeping rigor I have. On the one hand, a few months of decent workouts - not the Schwartzenegger variety, either - and "I'm huge, Jerry!" My father's a tank even though most of his exercise is on the golf course and the 19th hole. But because of the creeping rigor thing etc., it's easy for us to add weight around the waist without it showing too much. Wide shoulders, narrow hips, big quads and hammies means a 25lb belly is far less noticeable...but also hell to dispel. Father's been trying to drop the extra 40-50 he added as a white collar criminal (well, finance) for years. The charts say I should be between 185-190 for my height. Trainer, doctor, physio all laughed at that. If I can get back to 200, I'll be a rock. So I'm going to ... Oh, sorry, gotta go - pizza guy's here. Genetics do play a part, yes. But they are not destiny. For example, both my parents and much of their immediate family are/were as big as houses with a whole host of major health issues. However, I am not. That does not mean I can not gain weight or contract high blood pressure...etc. It just means I need to be more careful health-wise. So far its working.....except for the smoking, that cant be healthy but hey, what's one to do?
I think sometimes people tend to use genetics as an excuse for their health problems and justify their unhealthy life-styles. Nothing is destined.....free choice baby!!!
Two different things, though, jm. Yeah, there's some people who throw up their hands and say I come from fat, I'm going to go out to fat. Or sick or whatever. But there's a lot larger group it seems to me who want to look like a body type they will never, ever have. Men and Fletch and women. It's just exactly what you've said here - know what your genes say is your range to be healthy and go from there.
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Post by jmwalters on Sept 23, 2015 14:31:42 GMT
Genetics do play a part, yes. But they are not destiny. For example, both my parents and much of their immediate family are/were as big as houses with a whole host of major health issues. However, I am not. That does not mean I can not gain weight or contract high blood pressure...etc. It just means I need to be more careful health-wise. So far its working.....except for the smoking, that cant be healthy but hey, what's one to do?
I think sometimes people tend to use genetics as an excuse for their health problems and justify their unhealthy life-styles. Nothing is destined.....free choice baby!!!
Two different things, though, jm. Yeah, there's some people who throw up their hands and say I come from fat, I'm going to go out to fat. Or sick or whatever. But there's a lot larger group it seems to me who want to look like a body type they will never, ever have. Men and Fletch and women. It's just exactly what you've said here - know what your genes say is your range to be healthy and go from there. Agree completely. But the elusive ideal body type image is very much a social construct. Big boned? Big deal, just do what you can to keep healthy. Too many people aspire to a certain image they can never attain and then get depressed about it which just leads to more unhealthiness.
Of course, smoking always helps....just ask the doctors in the 1950's. They can't be wrong.....
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 23, 2015 15:24:08 GMT
Exactly. I'm sure the mercury I just put on this open cut will heal it right up!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 17:39:42 GMT
Huskies are great dogs, we can't have them down here. Some people still bring them or sell them for Florida and I feel terrible for the dogs. Our Aussie is seven months old, if he doesn't get at least an hour of walking, preferably an hour hard running at the dog park, he's a nightmare to be around. My dogs and I are both better suited to cold weather than hot. The white one does surprisingly well in the heat - he blows his coat to something like a lab's in the summer. Goes from looking like a wolf to looking like a starving coyote. The other one is older and mostly black, and perfectly content to lie in front of an air conditioning grate in summer now.
Aussies are great. Neighbours three doors down have one and she's amazingly responsive to verbal communication. Huskies...not so much. They know what you're saying, they just don't give a damn (not entirely true, but if they see a rabbit...). When the younger of my two was 7 months, he got bored when I was at work and chewed the bullnose of the window in my living room like goddamn beaver....
I swear Aussies can understand English. Our last Aussie had selective hearing. We would call him, he would perk up, and then lie back down.
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Post by Fletcher on Sept 23, 2015 18:31:43 GMT
When I quit smoking I cut straws into cigarette lengths - sucking on those gave me that bit of oxygen deprivation that seemed like a cigarette. They have those patches now, too. Yes but I really, really love smoking. Especially in autumn.....what can I say, I am a sucker for nostalgia?
Maybe replace tobacco with weed?
Yeah, if you want to get as fat as the moon, start smoking weed all of the time. Food is just delicious, even when you're full.
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Post by Fletcher on Sept 23, 2015 18:40:49 GMT
Two different things, though, jm. Yeah, there's some people who throw up their hands and say I come from fat, I'm going to go out to fat. Or sick or whatever. But there's a lot larger group it seems to me who want to look like a body type they will never, ever have. Men and Fletch and women. It's just exactly what you've said here - know what your genes say is your range to be healthy and go from there. Hey, if growing a garden and experimenting with mojitos makes you some kind of a weird Jenner-esque tweener, then bring me my fanny pack, tailored work boots, and mustache trimmer. I'm off to Zumba class.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 23, 2015 18:55:22 GMT
Two different things, though, jm. Yeah, there's some people who throw up their hands and say I come from fat, I'm going to go out to fat. Or sick or whatever. But there's a lot larger group it seems to me who want to look like a body type they will never, ever have. Men and Fletch and women. It's just exactly what you've said here - know what your genes say is your range to be healthy and go from there. Hey, if growing a garden and experimenting with mojitos makes you some kind of a weird Jenner-esque tweener, then bring me my fanny pack, tailored work boots, and mustache trimmer. I'm off to Zumba class. They're in the mail, Caitlinn.
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Post by jmwalters on Sept 24, 2015 0:42:56 GMT
Yes but I really, really love smoking. Especially in autumn.....what can I say, I am a sucker for nostalgia?
Maybe replace tobacco with weed?
Yeah, if you want to get as fat as the moon, start smoking weed all of the time. Food is just delicious, even when you're full. Dammit!!! Tobacco it is......cancer shmancer
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Post by jmwalters on Sept 24, 2015 0:43:56 GMT
Exactly. I'm sure the mercury I just put on this open cut will heal it right up! Ha!! I hear bleach works well too....
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Post by RichHillOntario on Sept 25, 2015 3:54:58 GMT
Profusely sweating and shaking? Gyrating? You're talking about yoga? Or Hurling? Mattress mambo right there.
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Post by jmwalters on Sept 25, 2015 4:15:47 GMT
Profusely sweating and shaking? Gyrating? You're talking about yoga? Or Hurling? Mattress mambo right there. Hey, been meaning to ask you this for like..forever (I am a lazy, lazy man, what can I say).
You wouldn't happen to be "bagwan" from the really, really old BDC game threads would you?
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Post by goodnewsbears on Sept 25, 2015 7:44:36 GMT
Even gayer, I made them at home. I will try to blame that on the wife though, as she requested them. I have a garden (digging deeper here...) with a section of herbs. Lots of fresh mint. I also grow cucumbers. So, we decided to try some cucumber mojitos on the porch. White rum, club soda, lime, sliced cucumbers, and a lot of fresh mint. Not bad, although I'd still chose beer. But yeah...I had to chop some wood the next day. How big are these cucumbers you grow? Asking how big a guy's cucumber is should be against forum rules.
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Post by badhabitude on Sept 26, 2015 16:10:00 GMT
Great thread, btw. I care if it belongs on the Proboards 'Mommy Blog ' I like NAS's point about the changing taste buds/desires. I think the body wants what it gets, after pretty small adjustment periods. Eat an apple every day at noon for a couple weeks, and the next day all you want at noon is an apple. I the past year, I've almost completely cut out red meat and I quit soda completely. I liked both a lot. I never miss them anymore. I also like the point that you just can't exercise enough to conquer bad eating, at least not anymore. I used to eat whatever I wanted and then exercise. Done. No problem. That's has changed in a big way, and like Book said it is really, really hard to burn off 2000 calories. But if you have a big pizza and 3 beers, that's about where you're at. Unless you're running a marathon, those calories aren't anywhere, except straight to the gut. I drink a lot of beer and it keeps me from ever having a flat stomach, no matter how much I work out. For me it's all about really making the decision. I usually half-ass it. Like, 'I want to lose a few pounds and get in shape, but I'm not gonna go nuts'. Still want to drink beer and eat burritos. The results are always marginal. But a few times I have really made the decision to go all out. Eat right, exercise, with no excuses. The weight comes off easy and it honestly isn't even hard once you really make a sincere decision to do it. A couple good documentaries out there, which I caught on Netflix -- 'Forks over Knives' and 'Fed up'. Even if you're not buying everything they're preaching, these are really interesting and impactful. The "Fed Up" documentary is excellent. I think they are absolutely right, I think the industry peddling high sugar is going to go the route of the tobacco industry. The real enemy is sugar, not fat. Every time they try to come up with legislation, the food industry shoots it down with the same old rhetoric, "freedom of choice" and "nanny state". People have a right to know what they are eating. They should have to disclose how many spoons of sugar are in a serving. They disguise this by having the label say "sugars" in grams. Know that 4 grams of sugar is in a teaspoon. I just looked at a one of those small cans (177 ml) of pineapple juice. Sugars - 22 grams. That's 5.5 teaspoons in 6 oz. That's just nuts. And it's everywhere. 6 grams of sugar in 98 gram bagel - how many of you knew there was a teaspoon and a half of sugar in your bagel?
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Post by Fletcher on Nov 16, 2015 17:44:45 GMT
Anybody row here? I bought a stationary rower for the basement and it's becoming my workout of choice. Still a novice, but in terms of bang for buck when you don't have much time, this is the best. 30 minutes of rowing and you'll seeing double and drenched in sweat.
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Post by 50belowzero on Nov 16, 2015 18:28:49 GMT
Anybody row here? I bought a stationary rower for the basement and it's becoming my workout of choice. Still a novice, but in terms of bang for buck when you don't have much time, this is the best. 30 minutes of rowing and you'll seeing double and drenched in sweat. I've done rowing at the local gym i frequent and find it a good pre workout warmup. You definitely get a good sweat going and it does give all parts of your body a workout. If you are time restricted, it really is a good way to go
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 14:01:02 GMT
Great thread, btw. I care if it belongs on the Proboards 'Mommy Blog ' I like NAS's point about the changing taste buds/desires. I think the body wants what it gets, after pretty small adjustment periods. Eat an apple every day at noon for a couple weeks, and the next day all you want at noon is an apple. I the past year, I've almost completely cut out red meat and I quit soda completely. I liked both a lot. I never miss them anymore. I also like the point that you just can't exercise enough to conquer bad eating, at least not anymore. I used to eat whatever I wanted and then exercise. Done. No problem. That's has changed in a big way, and like Book said it is really, really hard to burn off 2000 calories. But if you have a big pizza and 3 beers, that's about where you're at. Unless you're running a marathon, those calories aren't anywhere, except straight to the gut. I drink a lot of beer and it keeps me from ever having a flat stomach, no matter how much I work out. For me it's all about really making the decision. I usually half-ass it. Like, 'I want to lose a few pounds and get in shape, but I'm not gonna go nuts'. Still want to drink beer and eat burritos. The results are always marginal. But a few times I have really made the decision to go all out. Eat right, exercise, with no excuses. The weight comes off easy and it honestly isn't even hard once you really make a sincere decision to do it. A couple good documentaries out there, which I caught on Netflix -- 'Forks over Knives' and 'Fed up'. Even if you're not buying everything they're preaching, these are really interesting and impactful. The "Fed Up" documentary is excellent. I think they are absolutely right, I think the industry peddling high sugar is going to go the route of the tobacco industry. The real enemy is sugar, not fat. Every time they try to come up with legislation, the food industry shoots it down with the same old rhetoric, "freedom of choice" and "nanny state". People have a right to know what they are eating. They should have to disclose how many spoons of sugar are in a serving. They disguise this by having the label say "sugars" in grams. Know that 4 grams of sugar is in a teaspoon. I just looked at a one of those small cans (177 ml) of pineapple juice. Sugars - 22 grams. That's 5.5 teaspoons in 6 oz. That's just nuts. And it's everywhere. 6 grams of sugar in 98 gram bagel - how many of you knew there was a teaspoon and a half of sugar in your bagel? It sounds like you need to see a dietician to better understand what the nutritional labels are telling you. I did, just to maintain the weight I wanted to be. For me, the daily value ( DV ) column is the most important one in any product.....it works......5% or less per portion is really good. Above 15% ..........no good. In between 6-15%..........will get you nowhere.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 17:06:40 GMT
Fuck it, we're fat. What's the problem?
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