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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 21, 2015 20:21:51 GMT
Coors, Bud Light, Rolling Rock...? Did you take a hockey puck to the taste bud region? I had a summer party at my house last year and we had a blind taste test consisting of six shot glasses with Bud Light, Coors Light, Natural Light, PBR, Keystone Light, and Miller Light. At least a dozen guys tried it, some with a lot of confidence. Nobody beat 2 out of 6 correct. And that's just basic probability that someone would guess two right. They're generally indistinguishable. I don't know what Sleaman's is. The only Canadian beers we seem to get here are Molson and Labatts. Haha, I just like light beer that's all. Since you like a Guinness now and then, you obviously like the darker stuff to some extent. Love Rolling Rock, Coors and BL are "good enough" beers, especially at a pub when they have sub-zero on tap. Sleeman's is like most light beer, just better in every way. It's too bad it's Canada-only. I don't know if there's a comparable.Water? Really weak Japanese Sencha tea served ice cold?
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Post by Fletcher on Sept 21, 2015 21:02:18 GMT
Interesting. I just don't like liquor. Any of it. I've had some decent mojitos and GnTs this summer, but I'd take an IPA over any of it. I do drink wine, but I like red wine, and as someone who suffers from acid reflux/heartburn, red wine is about the worst thing you can have.
I look forward to trying Sleeman some day. Until then, Guinness seems to be the way to go, and 125 cals and 10 carbs.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 21, 2015 21:10:29 GMT
Interesting. I just don't like liquor. Any of it. I've had some decent mojitos and GnTs this summer, but I'd take an IPA over any of it. I do drink wine, but I like red wine, and as someone who suffers from acid reflux/heartburn, red wine is about the worst thing you can have. I look forward to trying Sleeman some day. Until then, Guinness seems to be the way to go, and 125 cals and 10 carbs. Don't you speak ill of liquor, man! When you want a beer, there's no substitute. Friend of mine when decades without a beer - not an AA thing, just for the record - and now has a couple a week. It's like talking to a new parent.
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Post by The OC on Sept 21, 2015 21:25:37 GMT
4 bottles of Sleeman's Clear clocks in at only 320 calories. Again, it's a gift from above.
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Post by NAS on Sept 21, 2015 21:36:04 GMT
Interesting. I just don't like liquor. Any of it. I've had some decent mojitos and GnTs this summer, but I'd take an IPA over any of it. I do drink wine, but I like red wine, and as someone who suffers from acid reflux/heartburn, red wine is about the worst thing you can have. I look forward to trying Sleeman some day. Until then, Guinness seems to be the way to go, and 125 cals and 10 carbs. Did they let you in the bar, or did you have to stand outside in your tutu to drink those mojitos?
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 21, 2015 21:40:07 GMT
Interesting. I just don't like liquor. Any of it. I've had some decent mojitos and GnTs this summer, but I'd take an IPA over any of it. I do drink wine, but I like red wine, and as someone who suffers from acid reflux/heartburn, red wine is about the worst thing you can have. I look forward to trying Sleeman some day. Until then, Guinness seems to be the way to go, and 125 cals and 10 carbs. Did they let you in the bar, or did you have to stand outside in your tutu to drink those mojitos? Great. Now I'm going to have images of Fletch in a tutu to contend with.
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Post by walktheline on Sept 21, 2015 21:50:03 GMT
Alcohol? Carb. I have had a routine for years: summer I drink primarily beer; winter I drink primarily spirits. I'm not generally hi-ball guy. Give me a neat single malt, a bourbon, a martini...even some of the higher end sipping rums and tequilas. Side of water (don't put it in the booze...use it to keep from drinking the booze like it's beer). 4 oz of good whiskey or bourbon is about 380 calories. 4 bottles of IPA is about 625. This summer, for the first time in my life, I got a jones for GnTs. One of those things where, one night with friends, we had polished off everything else in the liquor cabinet except a bottle of Bombay Sapphire (hiding in the freezer) and there were lemons and a couple of cans of tonic in the fridge. I probably hadn't had a GnT since I was 18. Hot summer night, it was perfect. But the tonic adds about 100 calories to each drink, so now each drink is about 300 (I makes 'em strong...). Learn from this what you will....You're an alcoholic. That's what I learned.
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Post by Fletcher on Sept 21, 2015 22:00:20 GMT
Interesting. I just don't like liquor. Any of it. I've had some decent mojitos and GnTs this summer, but I'd take an IPA over any of it. I do drink wine, but I like red wine, and as someone who suffers from acid reflux/heartburn, red wine is about the worst thing you can have. I look forward to trying Sleeman some day. Until then, Guinness seems to be the way to go, and 125 cals and 10 carbs. Did they let you in the bar, or did you have to stand outside in your tutu to drink those mojitos? Even gayer, I made them at home. I will try to blame that on the wife though, as she requested them. I have a garden (digging deeper here...) with a section of herbs. Lots of fresh mint. I also grow cucumbers. So, we decided to try some cucumber mojitos on the porch. White rum, club soda, lime, sliced cucumbers, and a lot of fresh mint. Not bad, although I'd still chose beer. But yeah...I had to chop some wood the next day.
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Post by Fletcher on Sept 21, 2015 22:02:15 GMT
Did they let you in the bar, or did you have to stand outside in your tutu to drink those mojitos? Great. Now I'm going to have images of Fletch in a tutu to contend with. Not sure if that would be a cause or cure for writer's block...?
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 21, 2015 22:36:53 GMT
Great. Now I'm going to have images of Fletch in a tutu to contend with. Not sure if that would be a cause or cure for writer's block...? It will certainly help WTL deepen what he learned from my previous post....
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 21, 2015 22:37:33 GMT
Alcohol? Carb. I have had a routine for years: summer I drink primarily beer; winter I drink primarily spirits. I'm not generally hi-ball guy. Give me a neat single malt, a bourbon, a martini...even some of the higher end sipping rums and tequilas. Side of water (don't put it in the booze...use it to keep from drinking the booze like it's beer). 4 oz of good whiskey or bourbon is about 380 calories. 4 bottles of IPA is about 625. This summer, for the first time in my life, I got a jones for GnTs. One of those things where, one night with friends, we had polished off everything else in the liquor cabinet except a bottle of Bombay Sapphire (hiding in the freezer) and there were lemons and a couple of cans of tonic in the fridge. I probably hadn't had a GnT since I was 18. Hot summer night, it was perfect. But the tonic adds about 100 calories to each drink, so now each drink is about 300 (I makes 'em strong...). Learn from this what you will....You're an alcoholic. That's what I learned. Sure, but I also have a job and don't live in Maine, so what's the harm?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 0:26:25 GMT
Not sub it for margarine or I Can't Believe. Just eliminate it. I put hot sauce on just about anything someone would put butter on. Start with toast. I put the butter thing in the category of diddling the margins - the kind of diet rhetoric that isn't sustainable. Â Too many of these weight yoyos are based on cutting salad dressing, butter, and other things you put on food rather than changing what you eat. Â People will eat a salad with salt and lemon juice for a month if they're really committed to losing weight, but then they stop eating salad or veggies altogether because Fuck That Lemon Juice Shit! Â And they balloon up again. You need to lose 20+ pounds, cutting out butter isn't the answer unless you're putting half a cup of it over your air popped corn etc. Â Enough to make steamed vegetables appealing probably adds 50 calories. Â It's a natural food (insofar as eating things made from the breastmilk of other animals can be), so your body knows what to do with all of it. Â Salad dressings with stabilizers and other crap are far worse. That said, putting hot sauce on things goes a looooong way to giving you better bang for your poached chicken breast and zucchini. 100% correct. The same scenario you described happened to me in 2012, when I went from 230- almost under 200 lbs. I cut out almost all carbohydrates and started walking and the lbs were melting off, until I reached a goal or two and went back to the way I used to eat. Part of America's obesity problem is the state of cooking and food itself. You could argue that food has never been better, what with all the food channels and culinary schools, and farm to table/organic ingredients. The worst of all is that all the food personalities like Rachael Ray, Giada, and Padma Laski from Top Chef are all thin. I don't remember working under any chef under 250 lbs; fat and mean bastards, one of which threw a whole fried trout at a female cook's back during service in an open kitchen. The best recommendation if you want to stay in shape is to stay single. I've had two long term relationships almost back to back, and I've never cared less about my appearance. Hygiene is where I've drawn the line. Clean clothes, a haircut, deodorant, and a shave. I've reverted to the way I thought about my appearance as a fourth grade. But, what can be done? I walked fifty minutes with the dog today, ate a salad for dinner and lunch, (romaine was going bad) took a vitamin, and hopefully I won't have a heart attack in twenty years.
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Post by The OC on Sept 22, 2015 2:25:32 GMT
Did they let you in the bar, or did you have to stand outside in your tutu to drink those mojitos? Even gayer, I made them at home. I will try to blame that on the wife though, as she requested them. I have a garden (digging deeper here...) with a section of herbs. Lots of fresh mint. I also grow cucumbers. So, we decided to try some cucumber mojitos on the porch. White rum, club soda, lime, sliced cucumbers, and a lot of fresh mint. Not bad, although I'd still chose beer. But yeah...I had to chop some wood the next day. How big are these cucumbers you grow?
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 22, 2015 3:42:25 GMT
I put the butter thing in the category of diddling the margins - the kind of diet rhetoric that isn't sustainable. Too many of these weight yoyos are based on cutting salad dressing, butter, and other things you put on food rather than changing what you eat. People will eat a salad with salt and lemon juice for a month if they're really committed to losing weight, but then they stop eating salad or veggies altogether because Fuck That Lemon Juice Shit! And they balloon up again. You need to lose 20+ pounds, cutting out butter isn't the answer unless you're putting half a cup of it over your air popped corn etc. Enough to make steamed vegetables appealing probably adds 50 calories. It's a natural food (insofar as eating things made from the breastmilk of other animals can be), so your body knows what to do with all of it. Salad dressings with stabilizers and other crap are far worse. That said, putting hot sauce on things goes a looooong way to giving you better bang for your poached chicken breast and zucchini. 100% correct. The same scenario you described happened to me in 2012, when I went from 230- almost under 200 lbs. I cut out almost all carbohydrates and started walking and the lbs were melting off, until I reached a goal or two and went back to the way I used to eat. Part of America's obesity problem is the state of cooking and food itself. You could argue that food has never been better, what with all the food channels and culinary schools, and farm to table/organic ingredients. The worst of all is that all the food personalities like Rachael Ray, Giada, and Padma Laski from Top Chef are all thin. I don't remember working under any chef under 250 lbs; fat and mean bastards, one of which threw a whole fried trout at a female cook's back during service in an open kitchen. The best recommendation if you want to stay in shape is to stay single. I've had two long term relationships almost back to back, and I've never cared less about my appearance. Hygiene is where I've drawn the line. Clean clothes, a haircut, deodorant, and a shave. I've reverted to the way I thought about my appearance as a fourth grade. But, what can be done? I walked fifty minutes with the dog today, ate a salad for dinner and lunch, (romaine was going bad) took a vitamin, and hopefully I won't have a heart attack in twenty years.Lol. You and me both, HB, you and me both.
Husky and a husky shepherd cross - already out for an hour tonight and just about to go for another 40 minutes. Steak and bbq vegetables for dinner and, well, maybe 5 oz of booze. Hey, in Canada, there's a doubleheader of hockey on TV. Sue me.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 22, 2015 3:44:05 GMT
...I sometimes think I'm on the James Bond diet. All he seems to eat in the books is eggs and bacon, caviar, and booze.
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Post by jmwalters on Sept 22, 2015 21:17:21 GMT
Lots of good suggestions here (and some funnily bad ones of course).
I just turned 40 and am the same weight I have been since I was 18...and no its not because I can't gain or am a workout junkie.
For me its this:
1. control your food intake-no snacks before or after meals, especially late at night (this last part is always hard for me).
2. control quality of food-I am a foodie and make my own meals so I know what goes in it. Its not all about no carbs and all veggies or anything like that. Don't use shit and make your own instead of pre-made garbage (salad dressing, sauces, marinades etc)
3. Exercise-no it doesn't mean going all Atlas. Just keeping active. Personally all I do is yoga (as I have already stated) and walk my dog daily as well as menial labour like yard work etc. Every little bit counts.
4. Treat yourself every once in a while-cold turkey works for no one. Moderation is key.
5. Sex-yeah you knew this was coming. Good for exercise and peace of mind.
6. Meditation-no I am not a new ager. Just a bit of quiet and stillness for some reflection every day is also good for the body. Stress is one big reason for obesity and weight gain, not just calorie intake.
Respect the mind and body and it will treat you well.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 22, 2015 21:46:23 GMT
Wuss.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 22, 2015 21:47:05 GMT
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Post by jmwalters on Sept 22, 2015 22:05:15 GMT
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Post by Fletcher on Sept 22, 2015 22:54:02 GMT
Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any less masculine, out come the emoticons...
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Post by badhabitude on Sept 22, 2015 22:54:45 GMT
About Carbs - the BadHab theory. If you look around at different cultures afew hundred years ago, for the most part they had 1 "staple" carb in their diet, wheat products, rice, corn, or potatoes. In our modern age wheat, corn, rice and potatoes have been genetically engineered to be significantly larger than their predecessors, plus we we have ALL of them easily available today.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 22, 2015 23:01:16 GMT
You know, the one thing we haven't mentioned is genetics. Hard to fight your genes. I'm guessing that there's a part of JM being a wuss that is genetic (Ha!), or BadHab expanding at a rate roughly proportionate to the universe. The only reason I know that I am, apparently, a "mesomorph" is that a trainer I worked with to recover from surgery was talking about the fact that just genetically, with that body type, you pack on muscle easily but have narrower joints and a tendency to put stress on tendons and ligaments that leads to the type of creeping rigor I have. On the one hand, a few months of decent workouts - not the Schwartzenegger variety, either - and "I'm huge, Jerry!" My father's a tank even though most of his exercise is on the golf course and the 19th hole. But because of the creeping rigor thing etc., it's easy for us to add weight around the waist without it showing too much. Wide shoulders, narrow hips, big quads and hammies means a 25lb belly is far less noticeable...but also hell to dispel. Father's been trying to drop the extra 40-50 he added as a white collar criminal (well, finance) for years.
The charts say I should be between 185-190 for my height. Trainer, doctor, physio all laughed at that. If I can get back to 200, I'll be a rock. So I'm going to ...
Oh, sorry, gotta go - pizza guy's here.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 22, 2015 23:01:51 GMT
Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any less masculine, out come the emoticons... Go suck a mojito.
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Post by bookboy007 on Sept 22, 2015 23:05:32 GMT
About Carbs - the BadHab theory. If you look around at different cultures afew hundred years ago, for the most part they had 1 "staple" carb in their diet, wheat products, rice, corn, or potatoes. In our modern age wheat, corn, rice and potatoes have been genetically engineered to be significantly larger than their predecessors, plus we we have ALL of them easily available today. A few hundred years ago, they worked sun up to sun down 9 month a year to get enough potatoes (for example) that a family of 9 (needed for farm operations) could split a potato at every meal to keep brain and body functioning. Then they all sucked goat milk from the teat, drank amoeba filled well water and went to bed at 7pm.
Ah...nostalgia....
I don't put a lot of stock in the paleo diet/history says we should eat Krapola. It's biochemistry, not socioeconomics.
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Post by badhabitude on Sept 22, 2015 23:21:34 GMT
You know, the one thing we haven't mentioned is genetics. Hard to fight your genes. I'm guessing that there's a part of JM being a wuss that is genetic (Ha!), or BadHab expanding at a rate roughly proportionate to the universe. The only reason I know that I am, apparently, a "mesomorph" is that a trainer I worked with to recover from surgery was talking about the fact that just genetically, with that body type, you pack on muscle easily but have narrower joints and a tendency to put stress on tendons and ligaments that leads to the type of creeping rigor I have. On the one hand, a few months of decent workouts - not the Schwartzenegger variety, either - and "I'm huge, Jerry!" My father's a tank even though most of his exercise is on the golf course and the 19th hole. But because of the creeping rigor thing etc., it's easy for us to add weight around the waist without it showing too much. Wide shoulders, narrow hips, big quads and hammies means a 25lb belly is far less noticeable...but also hell to dispel. Father's been trying to drop the extra 40-50 he added as a white collar criminal (well, finance) for years. The charts say I should be between 185-190 for my height. Trainer, doctor, physio all laughed at that. If I can get back to 200, I'll be a rock. So I'm going to ... Oh, sorry, gotta go - pizza guy's here. Yes, genetics. Both my parents were subsistence farmers in rural Poland and the Ukraine that makes Appalachia seem like Beverly Hills. Butter and salt were rarities, they got meat on Christmas and Easter.
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